Russia Continues Advance Toward The Dnieper

[Deadstick]

You haven't made a single correct decision since you invaded Ukraine three years ago. You've squandered all your modern armor and artillery, lost your Black Sea fleet, lost hundreds of thousands of soldiers and are reduced to fielding thirty-year-old tanks, WWII artillery and foreign troops from North Korea as cannon fodder. Russia used to be considered a third world country with a first world military, now everyone knows it's a third world country with a third world military. Russia is toast and will never recover economically from Putin's war.

You are very seriously deluded, when reality hits you in the face like a wet Kipper you will have a hell of a shock,have you not seen what's going on? one town after another in Donbass being liberated.

 

[Deadstick]

Most of Abrams, Leopards and Challengers have been destroyed before their first fire contacts with Russian tanks. Missile strikes, artillery, UAVs, mines, ambushes with ATGMs, etc...

I think it's a waste of time trying to give these people a reality check, they have been so propagandized they will need to be de Zombified from their Truman Show version of reality.

 

[Zavulon]

I think it's a waste of time trying to give these people a reality check, they have been so propagandized they will need to be de Zombified from their Truman Show version of reality.

Actually, I'm not trying to convince them (or anybody else) in anything. I'm just trying to improve my English. And from this point of view - any dialogue is a good dialogue. And, given that you are also here and not, say, at arrse.co.uk - it is the best possible place for dialogue. Or can you suggest a better place for discussion?

 

[Deadstick]

Actually, I'm not trying to convince them (or anybody else) in anything. I'm just trying to improve my English. And from this point of view - any dialogue is a good dialogue. And, given that you are also here and not, say, at arrse.co.uk - it is the best possible place for dialogue. Or can you suggest a better place for discussion?

Your English looks fine, i think this is as good a place as any and better than most.

 

[Zavulon]

Your English looks fine, i think this is as good a place as any and better than most.

Thank you, but I do know, that my English still needs brushing up. And this place is not worse than any other. Actually, it is better at least because the moderators don't ban people just for being Russians.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You aint fighting NATO bro. Ukraine isnt NATO. Not that we want to end up with nuclear war though.

Its NATO surveillance, intel, oversight and equipment

NATO would not stand a chance against the Russians today. Hegseth needs 2 years to undo the damage

 

[AZrailwhale]

Really? I don't think so.


Oh, man, it's not even close to a revolutionary situation. And even if it were, believe me, export of revolution is one of the things Russia can do.

The Ruble is worth less than three quarters of a cent. No one outside Russia accepts it in commerce. No one will buy your weapons anymore since they have been shown to be defective. The Indians and Chinese are buying your crude oil at rock-bottom prices and selling you back refined petroleum products at premium prices.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sweden was neutral during both WWI and WWII. Actually, that's why they survived.
And had the chance to survive even in WWIII, if they continued their neutrality. And if WWIII is mostly "missile war", then the small countries are not very interesting for Great Powers.

Sweden was barely neutral in WW1 and WW2 and got away with it because the Nazis didn't need Sweden.

However no state in the EU would be able to be neutral in any war.

Small states would be a part of the game. Proxy wars, so the big countries could throw missiles at each other, without having to actually go to war with each other directly. That's why WW3 probably won't happen, the big countries don't want that big war.

 

[frigidweirdo]

That's the sort of arrogance that has got you into trouble time after time.

Is it? Russia went to war with arrogance, thinking it'd win within days. Three years later and Russia is still throwing its own men to the slaughter.

The Russian armed forces were rubbish, it was all an image of strength. The Ukraine invades the country of Russia and Russia can't do anything about it for months and months because EVERYTHING Russia has got is fighting in the Ukraine. They're at their limit right now. Andorra could invade and win.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Nato is no more than a foreign Legion for US Imperialism and a money making pyramid selling scam for the industrial military complex, don't know why you have not caught on yet, those recent NATO Countries those great democracies did anyone actually ask the people if they wanted to be in NATO with a referendum?

The US does well out of NATO, however NATO is a counter to the USSR and now to Russia and China.

China alone has a population greater than NATO countries. Hence why NATO is still needed.

 

[Zavulon]

The Ruble is worth less than three quarters of a cent.

Plain lie. Actual course is 102 roubles per dollar.

No one outside Russia accepts it in commerce.

Plain lie. More than 70% of Russian foreign trade is going through rouble and currencies of friendly countries.

No one will buy your weapons anymore since they have been shown to be defective.

We'll see.

The Indians and Chinese are buying your crude oil at rock-bottom prices and selling you back refined petroleum products at premium prices.

Not "Indians and Chinese" but Lukoil (and other companies ) sell their own crude oil to their own refinery plants (located in India and China) and sell refined petroleum products on foreign markets. And in exchange Russia is getting Indian T-90s and Chinese UAVs.
As for me, it's much better than to sell oil in Europe and in return get NATO's expansion and gangs of UkroNazies killing our people.
Doesn't matter what is a virtual price in market computers. Actual goods are important.

 

[Zavulon]

The US does well out of NATO, however NATO is a counter to the USSR and now to Russia and China.

China alone has a population greater than NATO countries. Hence why NATO is still needed.

And this is exactly why Russia and China still need to eliminate NATO.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Sweden was barely neutral in WW1 and WW2 and got away with it because the Nazis didn't need Sweden.

However no state in the EU would be able to be neutral in any war.

Small states would be a part of the game. Proxy wars, so the big countries could throw missiles at each other, without having to actually go to war with each other directly. That's why WW3 probably won't happen, the big countries don't want that big war.

The Nazis very much needed Sweden in WWII. Like Switzerland, Germany used it to move necessary items and resources through the Allied blockade. Sweden was as “neutral” towards Nazi Germany as the USA was towards the UK. In other words both countries actively supported the country at war that they liked,

 

[AZrailwhale]

Plain lie. Actual course is 102 roubles per dollar.


Plain lie. More than 70% of Russian foreign trade is going through rouble and currencies of friendly countries.


We'll see.


Not "Indians and Chinese" but Lukoil (and other companies ) sell their own crude oil to their own refinery plants (located in India and China) and sell refined petroleum products on foreign markets. And in exchange Russia is getting Indian T-90s and Chinese UAVs.
As for me, it's much better than to sell oil in Europe and in return get NATO's expansion and gangs of UkroNazies killing our people.
Doesn't matter what is a virtual price in market computers. Actual goods are important.

The ruble floats but it hasn’t approached one cent per ruble for over a year. It’s constantly trending down in value.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And this is exactly why Russia and China still need to eliminate NATO.

And the same for the US to eliminate Russia and China's alliance.

Nothing new there.

 

[Zavulon]

Sweden was barely neutral in WW1 and WW2 and got away with it because the Nazis didn't need Sweden.

However no state in the EU would be able to be neutral in any war.

Small states would be a part of the game. Proxy wars, so the big countries could throw missiles at each other, without having to actually go to war with each other directly. That's why WW3 probably won't happen, the big countries don't want that big war.

There are times of small, peripheral wars, which big countries fought against small ones, and there are times of big, central wars, on which big countries fight each other to eliminate each other or determine laws of the post-war peace. Big countries don't want to actually big wars, but they want to achieve their certain goals. And when one side violate the rules of post-war peace and officially declare its unwillingless to accept the interests of another side (as it was with US aggressions against Serbia and Iraq) the next big war becomes inevitable (to establish the new rules).
But the contradictions between Russia, China, Europe, India and America in the missile age can be solved without invasions in smaller countries. One side nuke another's sides strategic forces and then suggest mutually acceptable terms of post-war peace. If they agree - the WWIII is over and survived big countries start their preparations for WWIV.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Nazis very much needed Sweden in WWII. Like Switzerland, Germany used it to move necessary items and resources through the Allied blockade. Sweden was as “neutral” towards Nazi Germany as the USA was towards the UK. In other words both countries actively supported the country at war that they liked,

Exactly, they're "neutral", but not really. Spain sent troops to fight and was used for the same thing, Switzerland helped with money laundering too.

 

[Zavulon]

The ruble floats but it hasn’t approached one cent per ruble for over a year. It’s constantly trending down in value.

So what? It's a virtual thing anyway. When salaries are raising faster than the course -people are happy. Ordinary people doesn't care what ones and zeros are in bank computers. They care about what they have in their households.

 

[Zavulon]

Exactly, they're "neutral", but not really. Spain sent troops to fight and was used for the same thing, Switzerland helped with money laundering too.

Yes. Neutrality is a spectrum, isn't it? But, with becoming NATO member, Sweden increased risk of being nuked in WW3 from, say, 10% to, say, 99% (with, say, 50% risk of total extinction of Swedish people).

 

[frigidweirdo]

There are times of small, peripheral wars, which big countries fought against small ones, and there are times of big, central wars, on which big countries fight each other to eliminate each other or determine laws of the post-war peace. Big countries don't want to actually big wars, but they want to achieve their certain goals. And when one side violate the rules of post-war peace and officially declare its unwillingless to accept the interests of another side (as it was with US aggressions against Serbia and Iraq) the next big war becomes inevitable (to establish the new rules).
But the contradictions between Russia, China, Europe, India and America in the missile age can be solved without invasions in smaller countries. One side nuke another's sides strategic forces and then suggest mutually acceptable terms of post-war peace. If they agree - the WWIII is over and survived big countries start their preparations for WWIV.

China can't defeat the US. The US doesn't want to get into a fight with China because it will be long and costly, and the outcome is unsure.

So, they don't.

The Powell Doctrine is what the US follows these days, and it requires 3 times as many troops as the other side. NATO is smaller than China. So it isn't going to happen.