'Rubbing America's Nose In It'

[BlindBoo]

Sure as hell looks like negotiations were underway and on the table.

Sept. 12, 2020 — After seven months of delays, Afghanistan government officials and Taliban representatives meet in Qatar for peace talks. The U.S.-Taliban agreement called for the first peace talks to begin on March 10.

Sept. 16, 2020 — The Taliban continued attacks on government forces. The Voice of America reported that “Taliban attacks in three provinces across northern Afghanistan since Tuesday killed at least 17 people, including six civilians, and wounded scores of others even as a Taliban political team was negotiating peace with Afghan government representatives in Doha, Qatar.”

Dec. 2, 2020 — After past false starts, Afghan and Taliban negotiators agree on a framework to govern peace negotiations. “At the same time, the Taliban continued its ‘fight and talk’ strategy, increasing violence across the country to increase its leverage with the Afghan government in negotiations,” the Defense Department IG’s office said a quarterly report covering this period.

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org

Afghanistan was descending into chaos because Trumps Skedaddle Accord devolved into an unconditional withdrawal of US and allied forces with little to no regard for our former allies. I mean as long as the Taliban didn't shoot at us, we were good with pretending all the violence in Oct of 2020, including ISIS terror attacks on civilian in Kabul, didn't really concern us.

 

[progressive hunter]

Afghanistan was descending into chaos because Trumps Skedaddle Accord devolved into an unconditional withdrawal of US and allied forces with little to no regard for our former allies. I mean as long as the Taliban didn't shoot at us, we were good with pretending all the violence in Oct of 2020, including ISIS terror attacks on civilian in Kabul, didn't really concern us.

there ya go lying again about it being unconditional,,

dont you recall you posted some of the conditions yourself??

 

[BackAgain]

Afghanistan was descending into chaos because Trumps Skedaddle Accord devolved into an unconditional withdrawal of US and allied forces with little to no regard for our former allies. I mean as long as the Taliban didn't shoot at us, we were good with pretending all the violence in Oct of 2020, including ISIS terror attacks on civilian in Kabul, didn't really concern us.

You’ve been awarded a zero Truth award for that post.

 

[beagle9]

You’ve been awarded a zero Truth award for that post.

Give him an award for trying to fool everyone at least... ROTFLMBO

 

[Delldude]

Afghanistan was descending into chaos because Trumps Skedaddle Accord devolved into an unconditional withdrawal of US and allied forces with little to no regard for our former allies. I mean as long as the Taliban didn't shoot at us, we were good with pretending all the violence in Oct of 2020, including ISIS terror attacks on civilian in Kabul, didn't really concern us.

LOL............you said there was no negotiations............I just showed you that you are full of it......

 

[Frankenstein]

When? When the Afghan forces still had an albeit tenuous hold on the country?

Whenever we decided to!

 

[BlindBoo]

there ya go lying again about it being unconditional,,

dont you recall you posted some of the conditions yourself??

Are you conflating the agreed upon conditions and how reality played out on the ground? Feel free to detail the condition or conditions that the Taliban met that the 2020 withdrawals were based on. What did they do beside promise not to shoot us in the ass as we skedaddled?

Cut-n-Run Donnie was ready to stab our Afghan allies in the back by Jan 15th with a complete withdrawal.

 

[BlindBoo]

You’ve been awarded a zero Truth award for that post.

Coming from the side that demands it's so called News source lie to them or else they'll get their lies from some other network? You guys are a joke.

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Afghan War Casualty Report: October 2020​

Afghan War Casualty Report: October 2020 (Published 2020)

At least 369 pro-government forces and 212 civilians were killed in Afghanistan in October, marking the highest civilian death toll in a single month since September 2019.

www.nytimes.com

Chaos.

At least 369 pro-government forces and 212 civilians were killed in Afghanistan in October, marking the highest civilian death toll in a single month since September 2019.

Afghan security forces remove a damaged police vehicle from the site of a car bomb that targeted the provincial governor’s convoy in Laghman Province on Oct. 5.Credit...Noorullah Shirzada/Agence France-Presse, Getty Images

By Fahim Abed and Fatima Faizi
Published Oct. 8, 2020Updated Oct. 29, 2020
The following report compiles all significant security incidents confirmed by New York Times reporters throughout Afghanistan from the past seven days. It is necessarily incomplete as many local officials refuse to confirm casualty information. The report includes government claims of insurgent casualty figures, but in most cases these cannot be independently verified by The Times. Similarly, the reports do not include Taliban claims for their attacks on the government unless they can be verified. Both sides routinely inflate casualty totals for their opponents.

Oct. 23-29, 2020​

At least 63 pro-government forces and 78 civilians were killed during the past week. The deadliest attack took place in Kabul, the capital, where a deadly explosion struck a tutoring center in Kabul’s Dasht-e-Barchi area, a Shiite neighborhood, killing 40 civilians and wounding 70 others. The Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack. In Nimruz Province, the Taliban attacked and captured a military base in Delaram District, killing 26 soldiers and taking five others prisoner. All weapons and equipment in the base were stolen by insurgents and none of the soldiers there survived the attack.
[Read the Afghan War Casualty Report from previous weeks.]

Oct. 16-22, 2020​

At least 145 pro-government forces and 57 civilians were killed during the past week. The deadliest attack took place in the northeast province of Takhar, where at least 55 police officers were killed, including the provincial deputy police chief, when a unit of national police and police special forces was ambushed by the Taliban. In the same province, an airstrike against a mosque killed 12 children and wounded 14 civilians, though the Ministry of Defense denied that any civilians were killed. In neighboring Badakhshan, the Taliban conducted coordinated attacks against security forces in the province’s capital, Faizabad. Peace talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban in Qatar are still locked in disagreement over what should be the framework of future negotiations.
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Continue reading the main story

Oct. 9-15, 2020​

At least 103 pro-government forces and 40 civilians were killed over the past week. The deadliest attacks took place in Helmand Province, where the Taliban carried out simultaneous attacks on Nawa and Nadali districts and the Babaji area of the provincial capital, Lashkar Gah, where fighting continued for several days. Twenty officers were killed in Lashkar Gah and the surrounding areas. Local authorities claimed that 30 Taliban fighters were killed in counter attacks carried out by Afghan forces. In Baghlan Province, the Taliban attacked Gozargah-e-Noor District, where clashes continued for three hours. Nine police officers and five territorial army members were killed, and the insurgents captured the outpost and the weapons and equipment inside.

Oct. 2-8, 2020​

At least 58 pro-government forces and 37 civilians were killed over the past week, as representatives from the Afghan government and the Taliban met in Doha to negotiate a framework for peace. The deadliest attack took place in Nangarhar Province, where a truck bomb targeted the district governor’s office in Ghanikhel District, killing 13 civilians and one police officer. An additional 42 people, including 39 civilians and three police officers, were wounded in the explosion, for which no one has claimed responsibility. Later in the week, in eastern Laghman Province, the Taliban carried out a car bomb on the convoy of the governor of Laghman, killing four security forces and four civilians. Two security forces and 28 civilians were also wounded.

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Reporting was contributed by the following New York Times reporters: Najim Rahim from Kabul, Taimoor Shah from Kandahar, Zabihullah Ghazi from Nangarhar, Farooq Jan Mangal from Khost and Asadullah Timoory from Herat.

 

[BlindBoo]

LOL............you said there was no negotiations............I just showed you that you are full of it......

Under the Doha Agreement. There was no provision for fight, kill, conquer territory and continue the negotiations in that agreement. Nope, our reductions were based on a ceasefire agreement between the Taliban and the Afghan not fighting, killing, conquering territory while continuing the ineffective crocodile talks.

 

[Delldude]

Under the Doha Agreement. There was no provision for fight, kill, conquer territory and continue the negotiations in that agreement. Nope, our reductions were based on a ceasefire agreement between the Taliban and the Afghan not fighting, killing, conquering territory while continuing the ineffective crocodile talks.

Nope....it was the Taliban not attacking US and Allie forces that was agreed to.

 

[BlindBoo]

Nope....it was the Taliban not attacking US and Allie forces that was agreed to.

Prove it.

"A comprehensive and sustainable peace agreement will include four parts: 1) guarantees to prevent the use of Afghan soil by any international terrorist groups or individuals against the security of the United States and its allies, 2) a timeline for the withdrawal of all U.S. and Coalition forces from Afghanistan, 3) a political settlement resulting from intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations between the Taliban and an inclusive negotiating team of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, and 4) a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire. These four parts are interrelated and interdependent."

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/02.29.20-US-Afghanistan-Joint-Declaration.pdf

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

 

[progressive hunter]

Are you conflating the agreed upon conditions and how reality played out on the ground? Feel free to detail the condition or conditions that the Taliban met that the 2020 withdrawals were based on. What did they do beside promise not to shoot us in the ass as we skedaddled?

Cut-n-Run Donnie was ready to stab our Afghan allies in the back by Jan 15th with a complete withdrawal.

you said it was an unconditional withdrawal,, and then you posted conditions of it,,,

why did you lie??

 

[BlindBoo]

you said it was an unconditional withdrawal,, and then you posted conditions of it,,,

why did you lie??

Which of those agreed upon conditions, signed Feb 29th 2020, did the Taliban comply with before we started withdrawing troops? Which ones were they compliant with when Trump ordered our complete withdrawal in Nov. 2020?

 

[progressive hunter]

Which of those agreed upon conditions, signed Feb 29th 2020, did the Taliban comply with before we started withdrawing troops? Which ones were they compliant with when Trump ordered our complete withdrawal in Nov. 2020?

you said it was unconditional and then posted conditions,,

why did you lie??

 

[BlindBoo]

you said it was unconditional and then posted conditions,,

why did you lie??

Which of those agreed upon conditions, signed Feb 29th 2020, did the Taliban comply with before we started withdrawing troops?

 

[progressive hunter]

Which of those agreed upon conditions, signed Feb 29th 2020, did the Taliban comply with before we started withdrawing troops?

so once again you confirm you lied,,

what I want to know is why you lied??

 

[Delldude]

Prove it.

Apparently General Milley was ok with it.

"There were seven conditions [in the Doha Agreement] applicable to the Taliban and eight conditions applicable to the United States," Milley said. "While the Taliban did not attack U.S. forces, which was one of the conditions, it failed to fully honor any, any other condition under the Doha Agreement.
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"It is clear, it is obvious, that the war in Afghanistan did not end on the terms we wanted, with the Taliban now in power in Kabul," Milley said.

Taliban Remains Dangerous, Harbors al-Qaida, Joint Chiefs Chairman Says

Afghanistan was descending into chaos because Trumps Skedaddle Accord devolved into an unconditional withdrawal of US and allied forces with little to no regard for our former allies.

You are wrong, it was Biden who failed to notify our Allies.

The way the Biden administration left Afghanistan and the situation in Kabul has angered many U.S. allies. Now they're scrambling to evacuate their citizens and the Afghans who supported them.

I mean as long as the Taliban didn't shoot at us, we were good with pretending all the violence in Oct of 2020, including ISIS terror attacks on civilian in Kabul, didn't really concern us.

Just like I said.

 

[BlindBoo]

Apparently General Milley was ok with it.

"There were seven conditions [in the Doha Agreement] applicable to the Taliban and eight conditions applicable to the United States," Milley said. "While the Taliban did not attack U.S. forces, which was one of the conditions, it failed to fully honor any, any other condition under the Doha Agreement.
_______________________________

"It is clear, it is obvious, that the war in Afghanistan did not end on the terms we wanted, with the Taliban now in power in Kabul," Milley said.

Taliban Remains Dangerous, Harbors al-Qaida, Joint Chiefs Chairman Says


You are wrong, it was Biden who failed to notify our Allies.

The way the Biden administration left Afghanistan and the situation in Kabul has angered many U.S. allies. Now they're scrambling to evacuate their citizens and the Afghans who supported them.




Just like I said.

Nice attempted cherry picking. Milley went on to say:

"And perhaps most importantly, for US national security, that Taliban has never renounced Al-Qaeda or broke its affiliation with them. We the United States adhered to every condition. In the fall of 2020 my analysis was that an accelerated withdrawal without meeting specific and necessary conditions risks losing the substantial gains made in Afghanistan, damaging US worldwide credibility, and could precipitate a general collapse of the ANSF and the Afghan government resulting in a complete Taliban takeover or general civil war.

Based on my advice and the advice of the commanders, then Secretary of Defense, Esper, submitted a memorandum on nine November recommending to maintain US forces at a level between about 2500 and 4500 in Afghanistan until conditions were met for further reduction. Two days later on 11, November, 2020, I received an unclassified signed order directing the United States military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than 15, January, 2021."

Military Leaders, Gen. Milley Testify on Afghanistan Exit: Full Hearing Transcript | Rev Blog

Gen. Mark Milley and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin testified on the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan during a Senate hearing on September 28. Milley addressed his calls with China. Read the transcript of the hearing below.

www.rev.com

They announced the final decision to leave in April of 2021. The Skedaddle Accords had been signed over year before as well.

 

[BackAgain]

Coming from the side that demands it's so called News source lie to them or else they'll get their lies from some other network? You guys are a joke.

​

Afghan War Casualty Report: October 2020​

Afghan War Casualty Report: October 2020 (Published 2020)

At least 369 pro-government forces and 212 civilians were killed in Afghanistan in October, marking the highest civilian death toll in a single month since September 2019.

www.nytimes.com

Chaos.

At least 369 pro-government forces and 212 civilians were killed in Afghanistan in October, marking the highest civilian death toll in a single month since September 2019.

Afghan security forces remove a damaged police vehicle from the site of a car bomb that targeted the provincial governor’s convoy in Laghman Province on Oct. 5.Credit...Noorullah Shirzada/Agence France-Presse, Getty Images

By Fahim Abed and Fatima Faizi
Published Oct. 8, 2020Updated Oct. 29, 2020
The following report compiles all significant security incidents confirmed by New York Times reporters throughout Afghanistan from the past seven days. It is necessarily incomplete as many local officials refuse to confirm casualty information. The report includes government claims of insurgent casualty figures, but in most cases these cannot be independently verified by The Times. Similarly, the reports do not include Taliban claims for their attacks on the government unless they can be verified. Both sides routinely inflate casualty totals for their opponents.

Oct. 23-29, 2020​

At least 63 pro-government forces and 78 civilians were killed during the past week. The deadliest attack took place in Kabul, the capital, where a deadly explosion struck a tutoring center in Kabul’s Dasht-e-Barchi area, a Shiite neighborhood, killing 40 civilians and wounding 70 others. The Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack. In Nimruz Province, the Taliban attacked and captured a military base in Delaram District, killing 26 soldiers and taking five others prisoner. All weapons and equipment in the base were stolen by insurgents and none of the soldiers there survived the attack.
[Read the Afghan War Casualty Report from previous weeks.]

Oct. 16-22, 2020​

At least 145 pro-government forces and 57 civilians were killed during the past week. The deadliest attack took place in the northeast province of Takhar, where at least 55 police officers were killed, including the provincial deputy police chief, when a unit of national police and police special forces was ambushed by the Taliban. In the same province, an airstrike against a mosque killed 12 children and wounded 14 civilians, though the Ministry of Defense denied that any civilians were killed. In neighboring Badakhshan, the Taliban conducted coordinated attacks against security forces in the province’s capital, Faizabad. Peace talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban in Qatar are still locked in disagreement over what should be the framework of future negotiations.
ADVERTISEMENT
Continue reading the main story

Oct. 9-15, 2020​

At least 103 pro-government forces and 40 civilians were killed over the past week. The deadliest attacks took place in Helmand Province, where the Taliban carried out simultaneous attacks on Nawa and Nadali districts and the Babaji area of the provincial capital, Lashkar Gah, where fighting continued for several days. Twenty officers were killed in Lashkar Gah and the surrounding areas. Local authorities claimed that 30 Taliban fighters were killed in counter attacks carried out by Afghan forces. In Baghlan Province, the Taliban attacked Gozargah-e-Noor District, where clashes continued for three hours. Nine police officers and five territorial army members were killed, and the insurgents captured the outpost and the weapons and equipment inside.

Oct. 2-8, 2020​

At least 58 pro-government forces and 37 civilians were killed over the past week, as representatives from the Afghan government and the Taliban met in Doha to negotiate a framework for peace. The deadliest attack took place in Nangarhar Province, where a truck bomb targeted the district governor’s office in Ghanikhel District, killing 13 civilians and one police officer. An additional 42 people, including 39 civilians and three police officers, were wounded in the explosion, for which no one has claimed responsibility. Later in the week, in eastern Laghman Province, the Taliban carried out a car bomb on the convoy of the governor of Laghman, killing four security forces and four civilians. Two security forces and 28 civilians were also wounded.

---

Reporting was contributed by the following New York Times reporters: Najim Rahim from Kabul, Taimoor Shah from Kandahar, Zabihullah Ghazi from Nangarhar, Farooq Jan Mangal from Khost and Asadullah Timoory from Herat.

It’s almost like you were trying to make a point. You failed of course.

 

[Delldude]

In the fall of 2020 my analysis was that an accelerated withdrawal without meeting specific and necessary conditions risks losing the substantial gains made in Afghanistan, damaging US worldwide credibility, and could precipitate a general collapse of the ANSF and the Afghan government resulting in a complete Taliban takeover or general civil war.

Which Biden decided to do anyway. And Milley was right.

Two days later on 11, November, 2020, I received an unclassified signed order directing the United States military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than 15, January, 2021."

Which Biden tossed in the round file.