roots of Palestinian resistance

[amity1844]

Today I want to write a bit about the Palestinian resistance, where it came from historically and its early development.

The first Palestinian infiltration back into Palestine following their expulsion took place within days when unarmed Palestinians began recrossing the largely unguarded border seeking property left behind and attempting to harvest crops from their farmland. These unarmed "infiltrators" were met with determined opposition by Israeli settlers. Nisson Rilov, an Israeli artist who died in 2007, told of his experience:

a Haganah commander ordered him to shoot an elderly peasant from the village of Ma'alul who had returned to the lands he once cultivated that had been sold to Nahalal by absentee Arab owners, Rilov refused, saying: "I don't shoot old people". Shunned by his family and friends after he was court-martialled and expelled from the Haganah for disobeying orders, Rilov left Nahalal for Tel Aviv where he joined the Palestine Communist Party.
Nissan Rilov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As greater numbers of Palestinians were shot, they began to carry guns for self-defense. This rapidly evolved into initiating deliberate attacks against Jewish settlements which they now in many cases found occupying the original sites of their former villages.

Until 1955 these raids were opposed by Arab governments seeking to avoid escalation into another war. In addition, the terms of the 1949 armistic agreement Armistice Agreements of 1949 limited Egyptian military presence along the Negev border, making it almost impossible for Egypt to police the border and prevent Palestinian raids. At this time there was no larger scale organization of Palestinian resistance; the fedayeen were composed of isolated groups that spontaneously formed among the refugee population.

By 1953, Israel formed Unit 101, charged with preventing infiltration across its borders. During the course of night raids into Gaza and Jordan, such heavy civilian casualties were caused that these retribution raids drew heavy international criticism. By 1955 Egypt began to sponsor, i.e. control, some of these tiny spontaneous fedayeen groups and channel their activities to serve Egyptian goals. Meanwhile, the future leadership of the Palestinian resistance was attending university, largely in Egypt, and linking goals through a student union, the General Union of Palestine Students (GUPS).

 

[Sally]

Today I want to write a bit about the Palestinian resistance, where it came from historically and its early development.

The first Palestinian infiltration back into Palestine following their expulsion took place within days when unarmed Palestinians began recrossing the largely unguarded border seeking property left behind and attempting to harvest crops from their farmland. These unarmed "infiltrators" were met with determined opposition by Israeli settlers. Nisson Rilov, an Israeli artist who died in 2007, told of his experience:

a Haganah commander ordered him to shoot an elderly peasant from the village of Ma'alul who had returned to the lands he once cultivated that had been sold to Nahalal by absentee Arab owners, Rilov refused, saying: "I don't shoot old people". Shunned by his family and friends after he was court-martialled and expelled from the Haganah for disobeying orders, Rilov left Nahalal for Tel Aviv where he joined the Palestine Communist Party.
Nissan Rilov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As greater numbers of Palestinians were shot, they began to carry guns for self-defense. This rapidly evolved into initiating deliberate attacks against Jewish settlements which they now in many cases found occupying the original sites of their former villages.

Until 1955 these raids were opposed by Arab governments seeking to avoid escalation into another war. In addition, the terms of the 1949 armistic agreement Armistice Agreements of 1949 limited Egyptian military presence along the Negev border, making it almost impossible for Egypt to police the border and prevent Palestinian raids. At this time there was no larger scale organization of Palestinian resistance; the fedayeen were composed of isolated groups that spontaneously formed among the refugee population.

By 1953, Israel formed Unit 101, charged with preventing infiltration across its borders. During the course of night raids into Gaza and Jordan, such heavy civilian casualties were caused that these retribution raids drew heavy international criticism. By 1955 Egypt began to sponsor, i.e. control, some of these tiny spontaneous fedayeen groups and channel their activities to serve Egyptian goals. Meanwhile, the future leadership of the Palestinian resistance was attending university, largely in Egypt, and linking goals through a student union, the General Union of Palestine Students (GUPS).

How about writing about the millions and millions of displaced people after World War II who had to move thousands and thousands of miles away from their homes, learn and new language and culture and somehow got on with their lives. They would be aghast at how these so-called refugees who never were in Israel are still acting up and can't get on with their lives. Meanwhile, there are so-called Palestinians living all over the world, and somehow I don't think they are going to pack up their bags and leave for the Middle East if they are successful in their lives; unless like Amity, they will come to declare citizenship just so they can overwhelm the Jewish population and take over the land for Islam. By the way, has anyone ever read about the displaced people from World War II running back to the area in which their ancestors actually lived thousands and thousands of years (unlike these "Palestinians" who mainly came from elsewhere) and start a resistance movement?

 

[Indeependent]

"The first Palestinian infiltration back into Palestine following their expulsion"

When was this expulsion?

 

[amity1844]

Today I want to write a bit about the Palestinian resistance, where it came from historically and its early development.

The first Palestinian infiltration back into Palestine following their expulsion took place within days when unarmed Palestinians began recrossing the largely unguarded border seeking property left behind and attempting to harvest crops from their farmland. These unarmed "infiltrators" were met with determined opposition by Israeli settlers. Nisson Rilov, an Israeli artist who died in 2007, told of his experience:

a Haganah commander ordered him to shoot an elderly peasant from the village of Ma'alul who had returned to the lands he once cultivated that had been sold to Nahalal by absentee Arab owners, Rilov refused, saying: "I don't shoot old people". Shunned by his family and friends after he was court-martialled and expelled from the Haganah for disobeying orders, Rilov left Nahalal for Tel Aviv where he joined the Palestine Communist Party.
Nissan Rilov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As greater numbers of Palestinians were shot, they began to carry guns for self-defense. This rapidly evolved into initiating deliberate attacks against Jewish settlements which they now in many cases found occupying the original sites of their former villages.

Until 1955 these raids were opposed by Arab governments seeking to avoid escalation into another war. In addition, the terms of the 1949 armistic agreement Armistice Agreements of 1949 limited Egyptian military presence along the Negev border, making it almost impossible for Egypt to police the border and prevent Palestinian raids. At this time there was no larger scale organization of Palestinian resistance; the fedayeen were composed of isolated groups that spontaneously formed among the refugee population.

By 1953, Israel formed Unit 101, charged with preventing infiltration across its borders. During the course of night raids into Gaza and Jordan, such heavy civilian casualties were caused that these retribution raids drew heavy international criticism. By 1955 Egypt began to sponsor, i.e. control, some of these tiny spontaneous fedayeen groups and channel their activities to serve Egyptian goals. Meanwhile, the future leadership of the Palestinian resistance was attending university, largely in Egypt, and linking goals through a student union, the General Union of Palestine Students (GUPS).

How about writing about the millions and millions of displaced people after World War II who had to move thousands and thousands of miles away from their homes, learn and new language and culture and somehow got on with their lives. They would be aghast at how these so-called refugees who never were in Israel are still acting up and can't get on with their lives. Meanwhile, there are so-called Palestinians living all over the world, and somehow I don't think they are going to pack up their bags and leave for the Middle East if they are successful in their lives; unless like Amity, they will come to declare citizenship just so they can overwhelm the Jewish population and take over the land for Islam. By the way, has anyone ever read about the displaced people from World War II running back to the area in which their ancestors actually lived thousands and thousands of years (unlike these "Palestinians" who mainly came from elsewhere) and start a resistance movement?

You are still maintaining Palestinians came from elsewhere? Then who were all those 700,000+ people Israel drove across the borders? What was all that about? Israel admits they did this.

 

[amity1844]

"The first Palestinian infiltration back into Palestine following their expulsion"

When was this expulsion?

Did you just get here? See this post, first in a long series to come...:


http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/358303-plan-dalet-al-nakba.html

 

[Sally]

Today I want to write a bit about the Palestinian resistance, where it came from historically and its early development.

The first Palestinian infiltration back into Palestine following their expulsion took place within days when unarmed Palestinians began recrossing the largely unguarded border seeking property left behind and attempting to harvest crops from their farmland. These unarmed "infiltrators" were met with determined opposition by Israeli settlers. Nisson Rilov, an Israeli artist who died in 2007, told of his experience:



As greater numbers of Palestinians were shot, they began to carry guns for self-defense. This rapidly evolved into initiating deliberate attacks against Jewish settlements which they now in many cases found occupying the original sites of their former villages.

Until 1955 these raids were opposed by Arab governments seeking to avoid escalation into another war. In addition, the terms of the 1949 armistic agreement Armistice Agreements of 1949 limited Egyptian military presence along the Negev border, making it almost impossible for Egypt to police the border and prevent Palestinian raids. At this time there was no larger scale organization of Palestinian resistance; the fedayeen were composed of isolated groups that spontaneously formed among the refugee population.

By 1953, Israel formed Unit 101, charged with preventing infiltration across its borders. During the course of night raids into Gaza and Jordan, such heavy civilian casualties were caused that these retribution raids drew heavy international criticism. By 1955 Egypt began to sponsor, i.e. control, some of these tiny spontaneous fedayeen groups and channel their activities to serve Egyptian goals. Meanwhile, the future leadership of the Palestinian resistance was attending university, largely in Egypt, and linking goals through a student union, the General Union of Palestine Students (GUPS).

How about writing about the millions and millions of displaced people after World War II who had to move thousands and thousands of miles away from their homes, learn and new language and culture and somehow got on with their lives. They would be aghast at how these so-called refugees who never were in Israel are still acting up and can't get on with their lives. Meanwhile, there are so-called Palestinians living all over the world, and somehow I don't think they are going to pack up their bags and leave for the Middle East if they are successful in their lives; unless like Amity, they will come to declare citizenship just so they can overwhelm the Jewish population and take over the land for Islam. By the way, has anyone ever read about the displaced people from World War II running back to the area in which their ancestors actually lived thousands and thousands of years (unlike these "Palestinians" who mainly came from elsewhere) and start a resistance movement?

You are still maintaining Palestinians came from elsewhere? Then who were all those 700,000+ people Israel drove across the borders? What was all that about? Israel admits they did this.

Of course most of them come from elsewhere, but it appears that you try so hard to make the viewers believe that all these so-called Palestinians actually have roots in one particular area of the Middle East. I don't think the English officials in the area were lying when they reported back that these Arabs were coming from their poor impoverished Middle Eastern countries when the Jews had jobs for them. Why should they lie, and we see the same thing happening all the time in the West -- where poor people come from their poor countries for jobs? I don't know if you are a Muslim convert or whatever, but you are trying so awfully hard trying to coinvince the readers that these so-called Palestinians were there for thousands and thousands of years so that all these millions of "refugees" should be able to come back with the end result of taking over Israel for the Muslims. It is not enough for you that the Muslims already govern practically all of the Middle East and the audacity that the Jews should govern one tiny piece of land. However, I would rather take the word of someone who was there hundreds of years ago and reported on what he saw. It reminds me of viewing the icons of the Holy Land from the 2nd to the 4th century which were lent by St. Catherine Church in the Sinai. It was amusing to hear so many of the viewers make a remark to the effect that they don't see any Arabs in the Icons. We all know that the Muslims invaded Egypt later on, but of course we also know that they were able to take over Egypt for the Muslims and the descendents of the original Christians can't even practice their religion in peace. This I have no doubt is what you are wishing to happen in Israel. I think I am not the only one who finds it amusing that whomever jumps in from the same Boiler Room is always giving the same spiel. One shows up, starts to disappear, then as soon as that one is leaving, another one pops up -- but it is the same song and dance for years on end.

A Tour and Census of Palestine Year 1695: No sign of Arabian names or Palestinians
Posted on April 27, 2014

A Tour and Census of Palestine Year 1695: No sign of Arabian names or Palestinians | Palestine-Israel Conflict

 

[teddyearp]

I too, am trying to wrap my mind around all of this. amity, the point that sticks out to me in your quote in your OP was that when the Israeli's started coming back to Israel many years ago, they bought land from the Arabs (mostly nomads) who occupied the area at the time.

Maybe I missed it, but why would one want to come back to harvest from land that they sold to another?

 

[Phoenall]

Today I want to write a bit about the Palestinian resistance, where it came from historically and its early development.

The first Palestinian infiltration back into Palestine following their expulsion took place within days when unarmed Palestinians began recrossing the largely unguarded border seeking property left behind and attempting to harvest crops from their farmland. These unarmed "infiltrators" were met with determined opposition by Israeli settlers. Nisson Rilov, an Israeli artist who died in 2007, told of his experience:

a Haganah commander ordered him to shoot an elderly peasant from the village of Ma'alul who had returned to the lands he once cultivated that had been sold to Nahalal by absentee Arab owners, Rilov refused, saying: "I don't shoot old people". Shunned by his family and friends after he was court-martialled and expelled from the Haganah for disobeying orders, Rilov left Nahalal for Tel Aviv where he joined the Palestine Communist Party.
Nissan Rilov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As greater numbers of Palestinians were shot, they began to carry guns for self-defense. This rapidly evolved into initiating deliberate attacks against Jewish settlements which they now in many cases found occupying the original sites of their former villages.

Until 1955 these raids were opposed by Arab governments seeking to avoid escalation into another war. In addition, the terms of the 1949 armistic agreement Armistice Agreements of 1949 limited Egyptian military presence along the Negev border, making it almost impossible for Egypt to police the border and prevent Palestinian raids. At this time there was no larger scale organization of Palestinian resistance; the fedayeen were composed of isolated groups that spontaneously formed among the refugee population.

By 1953, Israel formed Unit 101, charged with preventing infiltration across its borders. During the course of night raids into Gaza and Jordan, such heavy civilian casualties were caused that these retribution raids drew heavy international criticism. By 1955 Egypt began to sponsor, i.e. control, some of these tiny spontaneous fedayeen groups and channel their activities to serve Egyptian goals. Meanwhile, the future leadership of the Palestinian resistance was attending university, largely in Egypt, and linking goals through a student union, the General Union of Palestine Students (GUPS).

Yet according to arab muslim history the Palestinian resistance started back in 1912 with the Balfour Declaration and the McMahon letters. So you are out by a matter of 36 years, and it was all down to the muslim inbred hatred of Jews and the commands in the Koran and hadiths that started the so called Palestinian resistance. We prefer to call it attempted genocide and mass murder.

 

[Phoenall]

Today I want to write a bit about the Palestinian resistance, where it came from historically and its early development.

The first Palestinian infiltration back into Palestine following their expulsion took place within days when unarmed Palestinians began recrossing the largely unguarded border seeking property left behind and attempting to harvest crops from their farmland. These unarmed "infiltrators" were met with determined opposition by Israeli settlers. Nisson Rilov, an Israeli artist who died in 2007, told of his experience:



As greater numbers of Palestinians were shot, they began to carry guns for self-defense. This rapidly evolved into initiating deliberate attacks against Jewish settlements which they now in many cases found occupying the original sites of their former villages.

Until 1955 these raids were opposed by Arab governments seeking to avoid escalation into another war. In addition, the terms of the 1949 armistic agreement Armistice Agreements of 1949 limited Egyptian military presence along the Negev border, making it almost impossible for Egypt to police the border and prevent Palestinian raids. At this time there was no larger scale organization of Palestinian resistance; the fedayeen were composed of isolated groups that spontaneously formed among the refugee population.

By 1953, Israel formed Unit 101, charged with preventing infiltration across its borders. During the course of night raids into Gaza and Jordan, such heavy civilian casualties were caused that these retribution raids drew heavy international criticism. By 1955 Egypt began to sponsor, i.e. control, some of these tiny spontaneous fedayeen groups and channel their activities to serve Egyptian goals. Meanwhile, the future leadership of the Palestinian resistance was attending university, largely in Egypt, and linking goals through a student union, the General Union of Palestine Students (GUPS).

How about writing about the millions and millions of displaced people after World War II who had to move thousands and thousands of miles away from their homes, learn and new language and culture and somehow got on with their lives. They would be aghast at how these so-called refugees who never were in Israel are still acting up and can't get on with their lives. Meanwhile, there are so-called Palestinians living all over the world, and somehow I don't think they are going to pack up their bags and leave for the Middle East if they are successful in their lives; unless like Amity, they will come to declare citizenship just so they can overwhelm the Jewish population and take over the land for Islam. By the way, has anyone ever read about the displaced people from World War II running back to the area in which their ancestors actually lived thousands and thousands of years (unlike these "Palestinians" who mainly came from elsewhere) and start a resistance movement?

You are still maintaining Palestinians came from elsewhere? Then who were all those 700,000+ people Israel drove across the borders? What was all that about? Israel admits they did this.

They were HOSTILES, ENEMY SOLDIERS, TERRORISTS and UNDESIREABLES and under International law the Israelis had the right to expel them from their country. Only a complete moron would leave the enemy behind them as they went to fight for survival.

But what about the 1 million plus Jews that were driven out of their homes by the brothers of the Palestinians, many being killed or raped as they fled Islamic persecution. Under the mandate the UN could have relieved the ruling families of Jordan, Syria and Iraq of their thrones and expelled them from the land for breach of the mandate.

 

[Phoenall]

"The first Palestinian infiltration back into Palestine following their expulsion"

When was this expulsion?

Did you just get here? See this post, first in a long series to come...:


http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/358303-plan-dalet-al-nakba.html

SO what it was in retaliation to the threats from arab league members to wipe out the Jews and take the land for themselves. After 1400 years of Islamic atrocities the Jews had a chance to fight back and live in relative safety. So if the muslims don't like this they can just pack their bags and go back to their original homes.

 

[Phoenall]

I too, am trying to wrap my mind around all of this. amity, the point that sticks out to me in your quote in your OP was that when the Israeli's started coming back to Israel many years ago, they bought land from the Arabs (mostly nomads) who occupied the area at the time.

Maybe I missed it, but why would one want to come back to harvest from land that they sold to another?

It is because it is the muslim way. Three times they sold Hebron to the Jews and three times they stole it back. In the late 1800's the Jews invited by the Ottomans to work the land were making it fertile and productive, so the muslims from the surrounding lands migrated there with the intentions of working as farm labourers until they had sufficient numbers to overpower the Jews and take their land from them. And so the cycle would have started

 

[Billo_Really]

Of course most of them come from elsewhere,

If that was the case, immigration records would bare this out, but they don't.

I don't think

That's right, you don't think.

the English officials in the area were lying when they reported back that these Arabs were coming from their poor impoverished Middle Eastern countries when the Jews had jobs for them.

I've already proven the Jews did not have jobs for Arabs, would you like me to feed you some more crow on that issue?

Why should they lie, and we see the same thing happening all the time in the West -- where poor people come from their poor countries for jobs?

Irrelevant hypothetical.

I don't know if you are a Muslim convert or whatever, but you are trying so awfully hard trying to coinvince the readers that these so-called Palestinians were there for thousands and thousands of years

They were there for thousands of years. Genetic testing proved that.

so that all these millions of "refugees" should be able to come back with the end result of taking over Israel for the Muslims.

No, the end result is people do not lose their home when they were driven away from it by force.

It is not enough for you that the Muslims already govern practically all of the Middle East and the audacity that the Jews should govern one tiny piece of land. However, I would rather take the word of someone who was there hundreds of years ago and reported on what he saw.

I gave you someone you just described and you ignored what he said.

Here, I'll give it to you again...

the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination
- Ahad Ha'am

There's your "someone" who was there a hundred years ago, are you going to comment on what he said?

 

[Lipush]

Al Nakba- Arabs whinining about not being able to create a second Holocaust.

It breaks my heart.

Don't you see thw tears?

 

[Billo_Really]

Al Nakba- Arabs whinining about not being able to create a second Holocaust.

It breaks my heart.

Don't you see thw tears?

The Nakba was their Holocaust, committed by you fuckers!

 

[amity1844]

Irrelevant hypothetical.


They were there for thousands of years. Genetic testing proved that.


No, the end result is people do not lose their home when they were driven away from it by force.

It is not enough for you that the Muslims already govern practically all of the Middle East and the audacity that the Jews should govern one tiny piece of land. However, I would rather take the word of someone who was there hundreds of years ago and reported on what he saw.

I gave you someone you just described and you ignored what he said.

Here, I'll give it to you again...

the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination
- Ahad Ha'am

There's your "someone" who was there a hundred years ago, are you going to comment on what he said?

Wow, Billo, great, sometimes I really need to just get quiet and read what you have already posted. I'm in awe.

 

[toastman]

Al Nakba- Arabs whinining about not being able to create a second Holocaust.

It breaks my heart.

Don't you see thw tears?

The Nakba was their Holocaust, committed by you fuckers!

The Nakba was a DIRECT RESULT of 5 Arab countries attacking the newly founded state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Al Nakba- Arabs whinining about not being able to create a second Holocaust.

It breaks my heart.

Don't you see thw tears?

The Nakba was their Holocaust, committed by you fuckers!

The Nakba was a DIRECT RESULT of 5 Arab countries attacking the newly founded state.

Of course nobody has ever proved that to be true.

It is just a lot of say so.

 

[amity1844]

.. and the newly founded state was the direct result of al-Nakba!
Without al-Nakba it would have had an Arab majority.

 

[bedowin62]

there is no such thing as a Palestinian

there never has been

 

[Lipush]

Al Nakba- Arabs whinining about not being able to create a second Holocaust.

It breaks my heart.

Don't you see thw tears?

The Nakba was their Holocaust, committed by you fuckers!

The Nakba was them getting the Jewish foot so far up their asses their kids were born smelling sandals.

And thank God it was like that, instead of the other way around.