Rooftop Solar is collapsing around the globe..... So long Sunny boy!

[leftwinger]

Please restate in English.

This is a message board not your thesaurus. Figure it out.

 

[Concerned American]

Pumped storage "idea" was around since the early 70s.' Nothing is free. Maybe some places it is in use? Maybe thought up in the 1809s for all I know?

A prototype is being used in the Columbia R. gorge. I am sure the 'idea' has been around for a long time but no one has ever put it to use. Hell, I've kicked the idea around since the 70s---never put it into use though. It's a great idea and people in the right areas could put it into private use for absolutely free electricity.

Even a big windmill takes a special $???/hr tech

That one is using EXCESS wind energy. Nothing says it has to use that energy. It could be pumped up using battery power that is replaced by one of the multiple turbines that would be powered by the water being returned by gravity. No problems with dams, salmon or environmentalists.

Gear oil: around 800 gallons per turbine for gearboxes.
Transformer oil: approximately 1200 gallons per turbine for transformers.
Annual oil consumption: averages 80 gallons per turbine.
Synthetic oils are preferred for wind turbine applications.
Proper maintenance crucial for productivity and environmental sustainability.

And this is different from what is currently being used? LOL, run along, your pessimistic attitude for what is possible is ridiculous. I dealt with the likes of you throughout my career---I'll bet you will spend a half an hour telling your supervisor why you can't do a five minute job.

 

[leftwinger]

A prototype is being used in the Columbia R. gorge. I am sure the 'idea' has been around for a long time but no one has ever put it to use. Hell, I've kicked the idea around since the 70s---never put it into use though. It's a great idea and people in the right areas could put it into private use for absolutely free electricity.

That one is using EXCESS wind energy. Nothing says it has to use that energy. It could be pumped up using battery power that is replaced by one of the multiple turbines that would be powered by the water being returned by gravity. No problems with dams, salmon or environmentalists.

And this is different from what is currently being used? LOL, run along, your pessimistic attitude for what is possible is ridiculous. I dealt with the likes of you throughout my career---I'll bet you will spend a half an hour telling your supervisor why you can't do a five minuHarbaugh.

Nothing is free. You can do onsey twosy off grid cabins anyway you want to. But not big cities like LA or LV.

 

[egp320i]

The AC is never off, except if running the electric heat in a cold spell.

right, I have a friend in FL, sounds about right, AC pulls juice as does heat, standard

 

[egp320i]

I saw probably the best thought out use of solar ever in Patterson, CA at a motel. They constructed elevated metal platforms over the parking areas that served as supports for panels as well as shading the parking area. Genius.

yes, many places are putting solar on large parking garages or better yet huge warehouses like amazon, power back to the grid to make money or use that power for their own facility

 

[Concerned American]

She's full of crap, as always. Even 35-40 miles south of SanJose Ca a 2000sq ft bill is never over $200 in 2018. AC Elec + Gas for hot water. Garbage is $45/mo? Maybe $100. AC dont run much?

35 to 40 miles south of San Jose? LOL, would that be Gilroy or Santa Cruz? There is a world of difference between the two climates. That is like comparing the climate of San Francisco and Modesto. When it is 104 in Modesto, the temp in SF quite possibly and probably is in the low 50s due to the marine layer. Are you in a contrary mood or what?

 

[leftwinger]

35 to 40 miles south of San Jose? LOL, would that be Gilroy or Santa Cruz? There is a world of difference between the two climates. That is like comparing the climate of San Francisco and Modesto. When it is 104 in Modesto, the temp in SF quite possibly and probably is in the low 50s due to the marine layer. Are you in a contrary mood or what?

Ye Gilroy, Morgan Hill, Hollister. Rarely over 100F. 75-85. Yes you dont need much AC. Not coastal SCZ. Duh.

SOCAL is a different story. But still not $500/mo for 2000sqft, not typical. FLA ..... using AI.

For a 2,000 sq ft home in Florida with air conditioning, the average monthly electric bill typically ranges from $150 to $250, with higher costs during peak summer months due to increased AC usage.
In specific cases, bills have been reported as high as $300–$500 during the hottest months, particularly in homes with poor insulation,

 

[leftwinger]

35 to 40 miles south of San Jose? LOL, would that be Gilroy or Santa Cruz? There is a world of difference between the two climates. That is like comparing the climate of San Francisco and Modesto. When it is 104 in Modesto, the temp in SF quite possibly and probably is in the low 50s due to the marine layer. Are you in a contrary mood or what?

Learn to read before you jump on posters. She said $500 per month in FLA. I call BS. Arizona is not that. SOCAL is not that, and CA has higher costs than anywhere i will bet without looking it up.

I posted facts. If you cant follow it stay out of it.


again Your pump idea is nice for an off grid cabin. NOT for big cities. What is wrong with posting that?

The SW has 50 yr "tile" roofs, little solar. I asked why up above. No one answered. If solar is not in the SW it is no good for anywhere in my book.

 

[Concerned American]

Nothing is free. You can do onsey twosy off grid cabins anyway you want to. But not big cities like LA or LV.

LMAO, good thing you weren't around when Grand Coulee Dam was being proposed. That dam was designed to provide irrigation for southeast WA. A great idea that was thinking totally outside the box. The unintended dividend was the electricity that is produced by the turbines that provides power to 11 western states. That project with two power houses cost a total of $163M in 1943 with a third powerhouse added in 1974 at a cost of about $730M. Total cost of the largest power producer in the US? Less than $1B. I would say that project has paid for itself and returned money over and above production costs and maintenance. Yeah, that is free to people who have any financial sense. As for LV--I suppose you think Boulder Dam should never have been built either, eh? SMH.

 

[Concerned American]

yes, many places are putting solar on large parking garages or better yet huge warehouses like amazon, power back to the grid to make money or use that power for their own facility

LOL, I saw a newer high school in CA central valley that put those same structures over the student parking lot. A teacher that I know that taught there was complaining that the faculty lot wasn't shaded with the panels. There is a time and place for all kinds of things for those with an open mind.

 

[leftwinger]

LMAO, good thing you weren't around when Grand Coulee Dam was being proposed. That dam was designed to provide irrigation for southeast WA. A great idea that was thinking totally outside the box. The unintended dividend was the electricity that is produced by the turbines that provides power to 11 western states. That project with two power houses cost a total of $163M in 1943 with a third powerhouse added in 1974 at a cost of about $730M. Total cost of the largest power producer in the US? Less than $1B. I would say that project has paid for itself and returned money over and above production costs and maintenance. Yeah, that is free to people who have any financial sense. As for LV--I suppose you think Boulder Dam should never have been built either, eh? SMH.

So? That ain't using Solar to pump water up to a holding tank to release at night? For your cabin, good for you. Not for LA area. Climb off me. A Good game is on finally.

 

[Concerned American]

For a 2,000 sq ft home in Florida with air conditioning, the average monthly electric bill typically ranges from $150 to $250, with higher costs during peak summer months due to increased AC usage.

LMAO, square footage doesn't mean a hell of a lot in FL. I know of a family that has a mini split AC unit cooling their PATIO (lanai, using their term) Are you kidding me? No wonder they have $500 power bills when they air condition the great outdoors. My parents would kick my ass for leaving the door open when I was a kid---of course that was before electricity, LOL.

 

[leftwinger]

LOL, I saw a newer high school in CA central valley that put those same structures over the student parking lot. A teacher that I know that taught there was complaining that the faculty lot wasn't shaded with the panels. There is a time and place for all kinds of things for those with an open mind.

That sort of ticky tacky stuff is found in the SW. It is on an APPL site park I ng lot. Yawning. 1990 stuff probably has that. Good till yo need to clean panel or replace the costly setup. Or wind or hail gets you. Please stop.

 

[Concerned American]

I posted facts. If you cant follow it stay out of it.

You bounced all over the place. You can't even follow your own posts. YOU brought 35-40 miles south of San Jose into the discussion and it was a moronic comparison because it depends on where you're talking about. Take your contrary BS down the road. You jumped into a discussion about new power generation technology with your contrary garbage disputing technology that you have NO knowledge of.

So? That aint using Solar to pump water up to a hlding tank to release at night?

Please keep up---then link to my suggestion that solar had anything to do with the pumped storage project. What part of WIND do you not understand. Maybe you should follow your own advice and STFU, you're making a fool of yourself.

Your pump idea is nice for an off grid cabin. NOT for big cities. What is wrong with posting that?

The project I posted is powering small cities. If implemented on a larger scale, there would be no problem powering cities the size of Portland that have the proper geographical benefits.

 

[justoffal]

Between Mpls and St Cloud, thousands of panels are replacing once green farm fields.

Complete eyesore that also drives wildlife into ever smaller areas. Just creates a dead zone. Now with the early snow those suckers are covered in snow until about April. Same goes for rooftop here that people install.
Then add the lower sun angle and short winter light. No one is sweeping snow off those panels.
How efficient is that?

Then if you put them on a roof with asphalt shingles, the entire system has to be dismantled to put a new roof on, then reassembled.

Makes no economic sense here.

RACIST! HATER! FEARMONGER! ...Did I do that right?

 

[petro]

RACIST! HATER! FEARMONGER! ...Did I do that right?

You forgot Climate Denier.

Covering fertile farm land with solar fields made from toxic materials is gonna save the planet.

 

[justoffal]

You forgot Climate Denier.

Covering fertile farm land with solar fields made from toxic materials is gonna save the planet.

Oh...shit.... I'm slipping!

 

[sparky]

Significance

• PSH accounts for about 96% of utility-scale energy storage in the U.S..
• It's a proven technology, with the first U.S. project starting in 1930, but it's gaining renewed importance for a modern, renewable-heavy grid.

go figure!...... ~S~