Ron Paul on The Tulsi Gabbard Show: Our Civil Liberties Are Under Attack!

[DudleySmith]

So being a libertarian means that you just let the feds steal from your constituents, and you don't even try to get the loot back.....gotcha.

libertarians are just squatters who think they shouldn't pay anything cuz, like, all this stuff is already here, so why should they pay? No matter how weak the spin is, libertarians always claim they're 'misunderstood', but the fact is most are just sociopaths, not even real libertarians. Ron Paul didn't give a dime back to anybody, just lined the pockets of local contractors and govt. employees via the very same log rolling and patronage the rest of the pols do, he just had a good idea of what rhetoric to throw out for the consumption of dumbasses, is all.

 

[sparky]

libertarians always claim they're 'misunderstood

ideologs always are Dudley

but what is so bad about wanting freedom?

Libertopia may not work on paper, but the spirit of it remains that which America was founded on

~S~

 

[DudleySmith]

Ya gotz a lot of opinion Dudley, but you dont know shit about Libertarians. I'm a reformed Libertarian. Still donate. Still keep my dues up, but I'm no longer a party person of any color.

When the Libertarians ran their 1st Pres candidate in the 70s, they chose an openly gay man for the job. NOT BECAUSE he was gay -- but because he was the best for the job.

For THAT -- we got called "faggot lovers".

When the Libertarians campaigned on marijuana decrimalization for 2 decades BEFORE it started it happen --

For THAT -- we got called dopers.

When we campaigned on NOT BOMBING 6 Arab countries every year in the 90s and early 2000

For THAT -- we got called sissy doves.

When we opposed the Patriot Act -- LONG before it got hijacked by the FBI to spy on Trumps campaign staff in 2015 -- 2017 ---

FOR THAT -- we got called domestic terrorists.

We've been right on ALL our issues (with the exception of immigration) for DECADES before America agreed with us.

Right on non-interference in the Middle East
Right on School reform and choice.
Right on ending the war on Marijuana.
Right on Medical Saving Accounts.
And many other LIBERTARIAN initiatives that we pushed.

Get a freakin clue. Ron Paul was talking about Civil Liberties 30 years ago and we've recently witnessed the Dems trying to install an actual Federal Minister of Truth with Scary Poppins (super disinformation operative) as its head. NOBODY - was talking about Civil Liberties or Freedom back then and we've paid a huge price as a country for that.


And the VALUABLE assets of the Lib Party is NOT - the party itself -- but the INSTITUTIONS that I'm sure you've never heard of -- like the CATO Institute which DEVELOPED "medical savings accounts and "congestion pricing" to reduce traffic -- OR the Institute for Justice which is a REAL version of the ACLU who regularly win SCOTUS and other high court decisions on small business and civil liberty issues.

You have a lot to learn Toad.

Another long post with no substance, as usual. "Libertarians' are just another Koch Bros. media franchise, and they bear almost no resemblance to the original Libertarians, like Jefferson and Mason. All they do is snivel for less taxes on billionaires who buy pols and of course all the crap they want to legalize has already proven to be disasters even before modern days, which is why they became illegal in the first place, but 'libertarians' were all born yesterday and don't like history that doesn't suit their 'philosophy' of mindless self-indulgence, social darwinism, and nihilism. Most thinking people realize their freedoms and such things as private property rights rely on laws and a govt. strong enough to enforce them, not a bunch of spoiled stoner Burb Brats and their currrent whims and fads of the day. If the govt. sucks, it usually means its people generally do too, so you get whatever your current 'culture' produced in the way of the pool of politicians available, and merely making up new slogans and sniveling about the results of the culture war losses as if you had nothing to do with that is just dumb.

 

[DudleySmith]

ideologs always are Dudley

but what is so bad about wanting freedom?

Libertopia may not work on paper, but the spirit of it remains that which America was founded on

~S~

Libertarians don't have any connection to the Founders; just because they have a Big Giant Government Statue for a symbol isn't really a clue. All their 'small taxes' would just be paid by the poor, same as all right wing proposals, while gamblers and those able to bribe pols will pay nothing, like the Gilded Age barons. Now they have a problem. since the poor can't cough up enough to pay for the corporate welfare goodies the Privileged demand more and more of, so now they go for deficit spending in a big way. The solution is of course to fore the poor to worker a lot harder for far less money; all problems are caused by the poor having too much money and not working 14 hours a day 7 days a week, according to right wingers.

 

[sparky]

Most thinking people realize their freedoms and such things as private property rights rely on laws and a govt

hmmmm, well methinks you'll find many that view human rights as God-Given , confronted and controlled by government Dudley

~S~

 

[sparky]

Libertarians don't have any connection to the Founders; just because they have a Big Giant Government Statue for a symbol isn't really a clue.

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Libertarians' are just another Koch Bros. media franchise, and they bear almost no resemblance to the original Libertarians, like Jefferson and Mason

who's severing that 'connection' Dudley?
~S~

 

[DudleySmith]

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who's severing that 'connection' Dudley?
~S~

Can't sever what never existed; libertarians never had any connection to the Founders, they just cherry pick a few isolated quotes here and there, same as laissez faire hucksters only use select quotes from Adam Smith.

 

[sparky]

Can't sever what never existed; libertarians never had any connection to the Founders, they just cherry pick a few isolated quotes here and there, same as laissez faire hucksters only use select quotes from Adam Smith.

well wouldn't that be true of any political party Dudley?

~S~

 

[DudleySmith]

hmmmm, well methinks you'll find many that view human rights as God-Given , confronted and controlled by government Dudley

~S~

And what I said doesn't contradict that; you seem to think governments just drop out of the sky and impose themselves on people who don't want them. Here's a clue: All governments are representative of the morals and social vlaues of the people they rule over. If you're having a problem finding honest politicians, look at the population and 'cultural values' they're drawn from for as to why that is. If you're fine with stoner faggots, deviants, and thieves then you really have nothing to complain about, you got what you asked for.

 

[DudleySmith]

well wouldn't that be true of any political party Dudley?

~S~

Ever hear me claim one is better than the other? I voted for Trump because both Parties hate his guts. Some GOP dumbassery among its rank and file is okay, a few are actully real patriots even if they are stupid, they mean well; most of the Party shills are no better than Democrats and are just sniveling because they feel they should be getting a bigger cut of the spoils.

 

[sealybobo]

Don't forget Naomi Wolf!....She's abandoning the demoncrats too.

Oh she's just a DINO

 

[Oddball]

Oh she's just a DINO

Buzz the fuck off, boob.

 

[flacaltenn]

Libertarians don't have any connection to the Founders; just because they have a Big Giant Government Statue for a symbol isn't really a clue. All their 'small taxes' would just be paid by the poor, same as all right wing proposals, while gamblers and those able to bribe pols will pay nothing, like the Gilded Age barons. Now they have a problem. since the poor can't cough up enough to pay for the corporate welfare goodies the Privileged demand more and more of, so now they go for deficit spending in a big way. The solution is of course to fore the poor to worker a lot harder for far less money; all problems are caused by the poor having too much money and not working 14 hours a day 7 days a week, according to right wingers.

Again -- you need to stop embarrassing yourself. We ARE the strongest supporters of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. We comply with EVERY LAW of the land usually better than most.

We are the ONLY PARTY that has the CAJONES to ACTUALLY end government/corporate collusion, kickbacks, paybacks and all the rest.

And the POOR pay NOTHING to the Federal govt other than the Medicare/SocSec contributions. And MANY OF THEM get THOSE payment BACK thru EITaxCredit calculations.

1/2 of American working families OWE NOTHING to the Federal govt EVERY year. And corporate welfare WOULD DISAPPEAR under liberarian law-making.

Your spun tale about libertarians and corporations and the ELITE- just went down in flames. Ya want to try again Bullwinkle?

Libertarians and libertarians are not elite in any way. I can SOCIALLY OUTLIBERAL YOU on any number of issues. And while Repubs TALK a great game about FISCAL POLICY and things like a SUPER DUPER DOMESTIC SPY MACHINE is just fine with us -- the only chance to STOP the fiscal destruction and the domestic spying is to put libertarians and INDEPENDENTS into office.

 

[DudleySmith]

Again -- you need to stop embarrassing yourself. We ARE the strongest supporters of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. We comply with EVERY LAW of the land usually better than most.

We are the ONLY PARTY that has the CAJONES to ACTUALLY end government/corporate collusion, kickbacks, paybacks and all the rest.

And the POOR pay NOTHING to the Federal govt other than the Medicare/SocSec contributions. And MANY OF THEM get THOSE payment BACK thru EITaxCredit calculations.

1/2 of American working families OWE NOTHING to the Federal govt EVERY year. And corporate welfare WOULD DISAPPEAR under liberarian law-making.

Your spun tale about libertarians and corporations and the ELITE- just went down in flames. Ya want to try again Bullwinkle?

Libertarians and libertarians are not elite in any way. I can SOCIALLY OUTLIBERAL YOU on any number of issues. And while Repubs TALK a great game about FISCAL POLICY and things like a SUPER DUPER DOMESTIC SPY MACHINE is just fine with us -- the only chance to STOP the fiscal destruction and the domestic spying is to put libertarians and INDEPENDENTS into office.

lol the poor pays for everybody else off the sweat of their backs. Profits and productivity don't come from Burb Brats sitting around palying with their 401K's or CEO's sittign arund trying to manipulate their bennies and stock options. You really are clueless as to where real productivity comes from, and of course 'libertarians' are just fine with -off-shoring jobs to Commie countries, so too bad for you most people know that, which is why your 'Party' fare even worse then the GOP even against total loons like Beto and AOC.

And please, a Party owned lock stock and barrel by the Kochs, whose family fortune originated with a cozy relationship with Joseph Stalin and grew even larger via using 'eminent domain' to steal peoples' land instead of paying market value like real laizzez faire fans would, if any existed, which of course they don't, they're as fictional as as cartoons. Your conspiracy theory lunacy is duly noted as well.

 

[DudleySmith]

Libertarians and libertarians are not elite in any way. I can SOCIALLY OUTLIBERAL YOU on any number of issues. And while Repubs TALK a great game about FISCAL POLICY and things like a SUPER DUPER DOMESTIC SPY MACHINE is just fine with us -- the only chance to STOP the fiscal destruction and the domestic spying is to put libertarians and INDEPENDENTS into office.

lol I'm not a 'social Liberal' either, snowflake; as usual you fall back on strawmen and slogans. Putting 'libertarians' in office would be a bigger disaster than wht we have now, with assorted faggots running wild in the school systems convincing kids they need to be sexually mutilated; libertarans' were all for 'normalizing' sicko shit, so you get to own your roles in that slide into dystopian craziness, too.

 

[sparky]

Again -- you need to stop embarrassing yourself. We ARE the strongest supporters of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. We comply with EVERY LAW of the land usually better than most.

We are the ONLY PARTY that has the CAJONES to ACTUALLY end government/corporate collusion, kickbacks, paybacks and all the rest.

And the POOR pay NOTHING to the Federal govt other than the Medicare/SocSec contributions. And MANY OF THEM get THOSE payment BACK thru EITaxCredit calculations.

1/2 of American working families OWE NOTHING to the Federal govt EVERY year. And corporate welfare WOULD DISAPPEAR under liberarian law-making.

Your spun tale about libertarians and corporations and the ELITE- just went down in flames. Ya want to try again Bullwinkle?

Libertarians and libertarians are not elite in any way. I can SOCIALLY OUTLIBERAL YOU on any number of issues. And while Repubs TALK a great game about FISCAL POLICY and things like a SUPER DUPER DOMESTIC SPY MACHINE is just fine with us -- the only chance to STOP the fiscal destruction and the domestic spying is to put libertarians and INDEPENDENTS into office.

dude, you rock!
~S~

 

[sparky]

All governments are representative of the morals and social vlaues of the people they rule over.

`in my view>>>>

~S~

 

[EMH]

libertarians are just squatters who think they shouldn't pay anything cuz, like, all this stuff is already here, so why should they pay? No matter how weak the spin is, libertarians always claim they're 'misunderstood', but the fact is most are just sociopaths, not even real libertarians. Ron Paul didn't give a dime back to anybody, just lined the pockets of local contractors and govt. employees via the very same log rolling and patronage the rest of the pols do, he just had a good idea of what rhetoric to throw out for the consumption of dumbasses, is all.

Ron Paul was not good for the cause of libertarianism.

Ron is the past.

Tulsi gets more libertarian by the hour, which is a good thing, since she perhaps has a future.

Funny, the left is spewing hate at desantis and tulsi. They know who they fear the most in a general...l

 

[sparky]

Ron Paul was not good for the cause of libertarianism.

Ron is the past.

Tulsi gets more libertarian by the hour, which is a good thing, since she perhaps has a future.

Funny, the left is spewing hate at desantis and tulsi. They know who they fear the most in a general...l

Yes it's interesting Mr EMH

where , may i ask, would you predict this is going?

~S~

 

[Natural Citizen]

Ron Paul was not good for the cause of libertarianism.

Ron is the past.

Ron was, is and will always be a champion of the constitution and for the cause of Individual liberty. And history will record him as such. He is the Thomas Jefferson of our time. Someone like that only comes along about every hundred years.

Also. Unlike your standard trustees in the red/blue duopoly, true believers in the cause of liberty itself are not blind followers. Not yesterday. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not any day. They do not seek to be led. Nor do they need to be. They are not symbol minded. They're doers. They lead by example. They're capable educators. So to contend that Ron is the past is to contend that without him that the cause of liberty is extinguished. He puts his pants on just like the rest of us who share in the cause do. The cause of liberty will live, long after the statesman is gone. Have faith in that.

So, my friend, you could no be any farther from the truth of the matter.