Roe overturned

[JohnDB]

You see what your biases force you to see. You need to whip yourselves and others into hysteria because your arguments don't hold up to reason and logic

All I'm suggesting is that we need to put some protections in place. Plan for success. We don't need the right to have abortions federalized to fix things.

What's so horrible about that?

 

[Chuz Life]

Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.

"Cherry-Picking Sock Tucker Self Defeats his own Premature Pontification"

It's so funny that you bolded Section C, as it's clear that you are misinterpreting it, completely.

"Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section. "

As it pertains to children in the womb;
The translation is;

"Nothing in this section shall be construed to DENY legal status or legal RIGHTS to any member of the species Homo Sapiens At Any Point Prior to their being born alive"

Now, with that section in mind, let's look at some of the definitions under the "Unborn Victims of Violence Act." Shall we?

"(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections 1111 (MURDER), 1112 (ATTEMPT MURDER), and 1113 (HOMICIDE) of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.

(d)
As used in this section, the term “unborn child” means a child in utero, and the term “child in utero” or “child, who is in utero” means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."

For the sake of entertainment, let's see you do some more of that self-owning stuff. You have the makings of a great foil.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Speculation "

* References *

Not true pain in the womb has been dected as early as 16 to 18 weeks.

Any resource will be entertained while conjectures appear to be diverse and inconclusive .

My suspicions are maintained against all researchers , especially those purposely seeking to establish anti-choice .

 

[Flopper]

In most of the country (33 states or about 87% of the population), a women's right to an abortion will be protect by law, although in some states that right will expire after 6, 12, or 15 weeks of pregnancy. A woman's right to abortion is fully protected in19 states or 80% of the population.

The states that have totally banned abortion with the acceptation of danger to the life of the mother includes those you would expect, most of the Bible Belt Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Alabama. A couple of these states don't even make exception for rape. I guess because they hold women at fault in a rape. Other states include Missouri, North and South Dakota, Idaho, and Utah. There are 5 states that could swing either way, but most likely there will be a compromise.

The vast majority of women in the country will still have access to an abortion in their state although some will only have that right for a short number of weeks. For those women whose right to abortion is no longer available, out of state abortions will be available along with financial help with transportation, through state grants and Planned Parenthood.

And finally, the abortion pill is an option although it can be dangerous without medical supervision. The pill can legally be sent through the mail and is widely available over the counter in Mexico and a number of other countries so it will be available to all but it should be used only if there is no other alternative.

These states have banned abortion. Here's what abortion laws will likely be in every state

The right to abortion will now be decided by the states.

fortune.com

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Legal Jargon Sophistry "

* The Nature Of A Vice *

"Cherry-Picking Sock Tucker Self Defeats his own Premature Pontification"

It's so funny that you bolded Section C, as it's clear that you are misinterpreting it, completely.

"Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section. "

As it pertains to children in the womb;
The translation is;

"Nothing in this section shall be construed to DENY legal status or legal RIGHTS to any member of the species Homo Sapiens at any point prior to their being born alive"

Now, with that section in mind, let's look at some of the definitions under the "Unborn Victims of Violence Act." Shall we?

"

(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections 1111 (MURDER), 1112 (ATTEMPT MURDER), and 1113 (HOMICIDE) of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.

(d)
As used in this section, the term “unborn child” means a child in utero, and the term “child in utero” or “child, who is in utero” means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.

For the sake of entertainment, let's see you do some of that self-owning stuff. You have the makings of a great foil.

An animal killed in a cruel or unusual manner can lead to penalties based on the nature of the offense , however none would argue that an animal has equal protection .

The nature of a crime does not confer equal protections upon a fetus , rather the nature of the act itself is punished .

Capital punishment is not available for killing a fetus , because actual removing a wright to life of another is a double entendre , whereby one removes their own wright to life in the process , albeit by due process , whereby the individual may then be subject to natural freedoms and moral relativism of nature and put to death in retort by the state .

10 U.S. Code § 919a - Art. 119a. Death or injury of an unborn child

www.law.cornell.edu

(c)Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1)
of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
(2)
of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
(3)
of any woman with respect to her unborn child.

(1) ... punished by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct, which shall be consistent with the punishments prescribed by the President for that conduct had that injury or death occurred to the unborn child’s mother.

(4)
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the death penalty shall not be imposed for an offense under this section.


* Direct Understanding *

Demand Any Nomination For Us Supreme Court Justice Explain Blackmun ' Logically Of Course ' Statement From Roe V Wade

" Wishful Thinking Bloviate " * Simple Tons * Big multi-syllabic words are often a smoke screen to conceal the little thoughts behind them.The argument is direct , there is nothing complicated about it . A state is comprised of citizens and citizens receive constitutionally protected wrights...

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A fetus not having been born is without constitutional protections and is private property of the mother , and any perceived offenses against the fetus are in fact offenses against the mother , whereby penalties may be applied as prescribed by law .

 

[rightnow909]

In most of the country (33 states or about 87% of the population), a women's right to an abortion will be protect by law, although in some states that right will expire after 6, 12, or 15 weeks of pregnancy. A woman's right to abortion is fully protected in19 states or 80% of the population.

The states that have totally banned abortion with the acceptation of danger to the life of the mother includes those you would expect, most of the Bible Belt Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Alabama. A couple of these states don't even make exception for rape. I guess because they hold women at fault in a rape.

the old ad hominem trick

please

I know of a person who was date raped, got pregnant and planned for adoption. The couple who adopted couldn't have children. Everyone was happy. No one had to die

you people are just ... words fail...I won't resort to ad hominem just bc you have. I'm better than that.. (sometimes anyhow)

the old elevator, though... doesn't appear to go to the top for dims

 

[ColonelAngus]

Is it too much to ask of the cult for some political or intellectual consistency from you guys.

You want the Fed to stay out of weed laws, you want the fed to stay out of guns laws, but you want the fed to intervene in abortion laws.

You just want what you want…like a 3 year old at the check out crying for candy.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

"My body, my choice" right????

you all have blown that out of the water

 

[ColonelAngus]

The Dems in power WANT you dumb fucks to believe the US just outlawed abortion.

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU LYING?

YOU SICK CALI FUCKS CAN MURDER BABIES AT WILL….SHUT THE FUCK UP.

How has that changed? Someone explain to me how the ruling affects cult fucks in Crazyfornia.

How has your life changed?

 

[beagle9]

My IGGY LIST IS VERY LARGE. But that is just me ...........lol

Mine too.. lol... Can't tolerate the idiocy but so much. I reported that (rectum) dude for trolling the site, and before ya know it he posted a gay pornographic picture on site that was basically saying that the nation wouldn't need roe-v-wade if more people did that type of thing.

I thought to myself dag all I had to do was wait just a few minutes more, and that would have got him hopefully banned instead of me reporting him for trolling. I can tell the bad apple's that are up to no good by the way they barge in here trashing everyone and adding nothing to the conversations, issue's or topic's.

 

[Canon Shooter]

There's no challenging at this end. The need of the woman and the need of the men is that they need to remember how to prevent unwanted pregnancies again.

I'll try this one more time: How do the needs of them men outweigh the needs of the woman? You were the one asking if I agreed that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. So, with my question, I'm asking HOW. I'm not asking about what you "hope" will happen.

I'm sure they all know how to prevent them but, unfortunately, if the woman is pregnant that ship has already sailed.

So, if a pregnant woman in Colorado wants to get an abortion, and ten pro-life men in Maine don't want her two, why should the "needs" of the men, who don't want her to have an abortion, take precedence.

I'm holding on to the thinnest of hopes that you'll actually be able to provide a real answer...

I used the word hopefully because those seeking an abortion are not the brightest of society. Basic sex education is, well, basic. Are you claiming the 10 men gang banged the woman, this she needs an abortion?

Wow. That'd be pretty stupid...

You're trying to seek some answer that only you are happy with, so please share your answer with the internet.

I've asked my question again, quite clearly.

I'm simply trying to get YOUR answer to MY question. Your "answer" responds to a question I haven't asked...

 

[Flash]

hey stupid fuck stop lying,i dont go by conspiracy THEORIES,I go by conspiracy FACTS that you have never been able to refute that there were multiple shooters and oswald was innocent,

there you go lying again because the only one getting rediculed is YOU by ME that when you say he was shot from the back when every serious researcher knows he was shot from the FRONT stupid ass.,not only did witnesses say they saw him shot from the front but all the dallas doctors said the entrance wound came from the FRONT moron.SO stop with the lies that you are ridculing me when it is me rediculing YOU.

I have to come on threads like this because you always run off from kennedy threads when i prove you wrong and checkmate you that he was shot from the front,come on over to this thread and i will LOVE to beat up on you some more and REALLY enjoy rediculing you.

okay lets get off this thread and let me humiliate you some more on the more appropraie thread

Lee Oswald's call from jail.

Fascinating lecture from 2015, in case you missed it.

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Back in the old days we had a phrase for nut cases like you - Beaucoup Dinky Dau.

 

[Hum Dinger]

False!
Allow me to quote the great one, judge Robert Bork:


"That in turn led to Roe v. Wade and the right to abortion. Whatever one’s feelings about abortion, the decision has no constitutional foundation, and the Court offered no constitutional reasoning. Roe is nothing more than the decision of a Court majority to enlist on one side of the culture war."

Wow, I didn't know that Judge Bork was sitting in SCOTUS!

Oh wait! He's not.

You fail!

 

[Hum Dinger]

Well they all do it, but in their defense, this new case or recent science could change that.

New scince can be the basis for overturning precedent, but "new science" was not presented for justifying this decision.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Bullshit.

The truth hurts, doesn't it!

 

[MAGA Macho Man]

Wow, I didn't know that Judge Bork was sitting in SCOTUS!

Oh wait! He's not.

You fail!

I never said he was on the SCOTUS, little girl.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Why do you lie to yourself and others?

The question is why they lied during their senate hearings.

But you may go back to your delusional world now.

 

[Hum Dinger]

You're not worth the time. go research it for yourself.

 

[MAGA Macho Man]

New scince can be the basis for overturning precedent

It's spelled science, not scince! Learn to spell.

 

[Hum Dinger]

I never said he was on the SCOTUS, little girl.

Then his opinion on this issue is not relevant.