River relics in central US surface as drought drops water levels

[longknife]

Colby Buchanan, US Coast Guard, via AP

The drought revealed this WWII minesweeper, seen here on Nov. 28 on the Mississippi River near St. Louis, Mo.

By Jim Salter, The Associated Press

ST. LOUIS -- From sunken steamboats to a millennium-old map engraved in rock, the drought-drained rivers of the nation's midsection are offering a rare and fleeting glimpse into years gone by.

Lack of rain has left many rivers at low levels unseen for decades, creating problems for river commerce and recreation and raising concerns about water supplies and hydropower if the drought persists into next year, as many fear.

Read more @ River relics in central US surface as drought drops water levels - U.S. News

 

[Old Rocks]

US Drought Monitor

Historical level flooding in 2011, major drought in 2012. In May of 2012, the Mississippi recorded an all time high. Now it is at an all time low.

Wider and wilder, with an overall warming.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

US Drought Monitor

Historical level flooding in 2011, major drought in 2012. In May of 2012, the Mississippi recorded an all time high. Now it is at an all time low.

Wider and wilder, with an overall warming.

ya cause of course it never happened before right?

 

[Old Rocks]

No, in the recorded history of the time we have observed the river, we have not had a time when one year had all time flood records, and the next year had all time low water records.

 

[rdean]

Republicans say "let it die". No spending on infrastructure. We do nothing. That will "save money".

 

[Missourian]

Colby Buchanan, US Coast Guard, via AP

The drought revealed this WWII minesweeper, seen here on Nov. 28 on the Mississippi River near St. Louis, Mo.

By Jim Salter, The Associated Press

ST. LOUIS -- From sunken steamboats to a millennium-old map engraved in rock, the drought-drained rivers of the nation's midsection are offering a rare and fleeting glimpse into years gone by.

Lack of rain has left many rivers at low levels unseen for decades, creating problems for river commerce and recreation and raising concerns about water supplies and hydropower if the drought persists into next year, as many fear.

Read more @ River relics in central US surface as drought drops water levels - U.S. News

The rock contains etchings believed to be up to 1,200 years old. It was not in the river a millennium ago, but the changing course of the waterway now normally puts it under water — exposed only in periods of extreme drought.

"It appears to be a map of prehistoric Indian villages," said Steve Dasovich, an anthropology professor at Lindenwood University in St. Charles. "What's really fascinating is that it shows village sites we don't yet know about."



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How cool is that? Gave me a chill.

 

[Old Rocks]

Colby Buchanan, US Coast Guard, via AP

The drought revealed this WWII minesweeper, seen here on Nov. 28 on the Mississippi River near St. Louis, Mo.

By Jim Salter, The Associated Press

ST. LOUIS -- From sunken steamboats to a millennium-old map engraved in rock, the drought-drained rivers of the nation's midsection are offering a rare and fleeting glimpse into years gone by.

Lack of rain has left many rivers at low levels unseen for decades, creating problems for river commerce and recreation and raising concerns about water supplies and hydropower if the drought persists into next year, as many fear.

Read more @ River relics in central US surface as drought drops water levels - U.S. News

The rock contains etchings believed to be up to 1,200 years old. It was not in the river a millennium ago, but the changing course of the waterway now normally puts it under water — exposed only in periods of extreme drought.

"It appears to be a map of prehistoric Indian villages," said Steve Dasovich, an anthropology professor at Lindenwood University in St. Charles. "What's really fascinating is that it shows village sites we don't yet know about."



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How cool is that? Gave me a chill.

Wow! There is so much we do not know about that culture, if we can find a relitively undisturbed site from these maps, it would be absolutely wonderful.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Republicans say "let it die". No spending on infrastructure. We do nothing. That will "save money".

What "infrastructure" do we need to "spend" "money" on to increase rainfall?

Be "specific".

 

[Trakar]

US Drought Monitor

Historical level flooding in 2011, major drought in 2012. In May of 2012, the Mississippi recorded an all time high. Now it is at an all time low.

Wider and wilder, with an overall warming.

ya cause of course it never happened before right?

Of course it has happened before. But when floods of a scale that typically only happened once a millenium, begin happening every couple of decades, and floods that more typically only happened once a century begin happening every few years, it is indicative of dramatic climate change.

 

[bripat9643]

ya cause of course it never happened before right?

Of course it has happened before. But when floods of a scale that typically only happened once a millenium, begin happening every couple of decades, and floods that more typically only happened once a century begin happening every few years, it is indicative of dramatic climate change.

How do we know they only happened once a millennium when we've only been hear 200 - 300 years?

 

[Mr. H.]

They find Hoffa down dere?

 

[Missourian]

Colby Buchanan, US Coast Guard, via AP

The drought revealed this WWII minesweeper, seen here on Nov. 28 on the Mississippi River near St. Louis, Mo.

By Jim Salter, The Associated Press

Read more @ River relics in central US surface as drought drops water levels - U.S. News

The rock contains etchings believed to be up to 1,200 years old. It was not in the river a millennium ago, but the changing course of the waterway now normally puts it under water — exposed only in periods of extreme drought.

"It appears to be a map of prehistoric Indian villages," said Steve Dasovich, an anthropology professor at Lindenwood University in St. Charles. "What's really fascinating is that it shows village sites we don't yet know about."



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How cool is that? Gave me a chill.

Wow! There is so much we do not know about that culture, if we can find a relatively undisturbed site from these maps, it would be absolutely wonderful.

Very exciting.

As an aside, I've been following the finds at the Big Eddy Site here in SW Missouri as best I could...they just recently revealed the location, so you know where I'll be heading soon...

Of course, I would never touch anything...I'd just like to do see the site...feel the history...to stand where another man stood 14,000 years ago, and perhaps much further into the past...

Big Eddy Site - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.7393,-93.7876&spn=0.01,0.01&t=p&q=37.7393,-93.7876

 

[Trakar]

ya cause of course it never happened before right?

Of course it has happened before. But when floods of a scale that typically only happened once a millenium, begin happening every couple of decades, and floods that more typically only happened once a century begin happening every few years, it is indicative of dramatic climate change.

How do we know they only happened once a millennium when we've only been hear 200 - 300 years?

By dating sediment layers indicating extremely flooding events over the last few hundreds of thousands of years, primarily.

 

[rdean]

Republicans say "let it die". No spending on infrastructure. We do nothing. That will "save money".

What "infrastructure" do we need to "spend" "money" on to increase rainfall?

Be "specific".

That's called "tiny thinking". No imagination.

Our country has oceans of water on both sides. Scientists have looked at everything from desalination to moving icebergs.

Desalination: Drink a cup of seawater? - US Geological Survey

Recently, considerable attention has been given to the use of renewable energy as sources for desalination, especially in remote areas and islands, because of the high costs of fossil fuels, difficulties in obtaining it, attempts to conserve fossil fuels, interest in reducing air pollution, and the lack of electrical power in remote areas.

Simulation shows it

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2008/R1255.pdf

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Take wind energy or solar energy. Instead of using them for "houses", imagine using them for removing salt from ocean water on a large scale.

There is a lot science and technology can do. Things that are already being used. They will require infrastructure investment and investment in science, education and technology and will require government working with business and universities.

But this will never happen with Republicans who think government should be shrunk so small you can drown it in a bathtub and education is for snobs and science is a "faith".

Look at Rick Perry, praying for rain in a stadium hoping with more voices, God will "take notice". Give me a break. That's how Republicans approach problems.

Office of the Governor Rick Perry - [Proclamation] Gov. Perry Issues Proclamation for Days of Prayer for Rain in Texas

 

[rdean]

Of course it has happened before. But when floods of a scale that typically only happened once a millenium, begin happening every couple of decades, and floods that more typically only happened once a century begin happening every few years, it is indicative of dramatic climate change.

How do we know they only happened once a millennium when we've only been hear 200 - 300 years?

By dating sediment layers indicating extremely flooding events over the last few hundreds of thousands of years, primarily.

Can you believe someone even asked that question? Worse, they sit in front of the Internet. It's a "disgrace".

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Republicans say "let it die". No spending on infrastructure. We do nothing. That will "save money".

What "infrastructure" do we need to "spend" "money" on to increase rainfall?

Be "specific".

That's called "tiny thinking". No imagination.

Our country has oceans of water on both sides. Scientists have looked at everything from desalination to moving icebergs.

Desalination: Drink a cup of seawater? - US Geological Survey

Recently, considerable attention has been given to the use of renewable energy as sources for desalination, especially in remote areas and islands, because of the high costs of fossil fuels, difficulties in obtaining it, attempts to conserve fossil fuels, interest in reducing air pollution, and the lack of electrical power in remote areas.

Simulation shows it

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2008/R1255.pdf

------------------------------------------------------------

Take wind energy or solar energy. Instead of using them for "houses", imagine using them for removing salt from ocean water on a large scale.

There is a lot science and technology can do. Things that are already being used. They will require infrastructure investment and investment in science, education and technology and will require government working with business and universities.

But this will never happen with Republicans who think government should be shrunk so small you can drown it in a bathtub and education is for snobs and science is a "faith".

Look at Rick Perry, praying for rain in a stadium hoping with more voices, God will "take notice". Give me a break. That's how Republicans approach problems.

Office of the Governor Rick Perry - [Proclamation] Gov. Perry Issues Proclamation for Days of Prayer for Rain in Texas

How will "desalination" refill the "Mississippi" River to cover the "relics" again and make it "passable" for "barge" traffic?

What is your "plan" to get the "massive" amount of ocean "water" needed to the "Midwest"?

 

[rdean]

What "infrastructure" do we need to "spend" "money" on to increase rainfall?

Be "specific".

That's called "tiny thinking". No imagination.

Our country has oceans of water on both sides. Scientists have looked at everything from desalination to moving icebergs.

Desalination: Drink a cup of seawater? - US Geological Survey

Recently, considerable attention has been given to the use of renewable energy as sources for desalination, especially in remote areas and islands, because of the high costs of fossil fuels, difficulties in obtaining it, attempts to conserve fossil fuels, interest in reducing air pollution, and the lack of electrical power in remote areas.

Simulation shows it

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2008/R1255.pdf

------------------------------------------------------------

Take wind energy or solar energy. Instead of using them for "houses", imagine using them for removing salt from ocean water on a large scale.

There is a lot science and technology can do. Things that are already being used. They will require infrastructure investment and investment in science, education and technology and will require government working with business and universities.

But this will never happen with Republicans who think government should be shrunk so small you can drown it in a bathtub and education is for snobs and science is a "faith".

Look at Rick Perry, praying for rain in a stadium hoping with more voices, God will "take notice". Give me a break. That's how Republicans approach problems.

Office of the Governor Rick Perry - [Proclamation] Gov. Perry Issues Proclamation for Days of Prayer for Rain in Texas

How will "desalination" refill the "Mississippi" River to cover the "relics" again and make it "passable" for "barge" traffic?

What is your "plan" to get the "massive" amount of ocean "water" needed to the "Midwest"?

We get "massive amounts" of oil from place to place. Why not massive amounts of water? We use things called "pipelines".

Besides, we can build railroads. The important thing is to get water to the "bread basket" of America. Without food, we starve. Did that have to be explained?

 

[Mr. H.]

That's called "tiny thinking". No imagination.

Our country has oceans of water on both sides. Scientists have looked at everything from desalination to moving icebergs.

Desalination: Drink a cup of seawater? - US Geological Survey

Recently, considerable attention has been given to the use of renewable energy as sources for desalination, especially in remote areas and islands, because of the high costs of fossil fuels, difficulties in obtaining it, attempts to conserve fossil fuels, interest in reducing air pollution, and the lack of electrical power in remote areas.

Simulation shows it

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2008/R1255.pdf

------------------------------------------------------------

Take wind energy or solar energy. Instead of using them for "houses", imagine using them for removing salt from ocean water on a large scale.

There is a lot science and technology can do. Things that are already being used. They will require infrastructure investment and investment in science, education and technology and will require government working with business and universities.

But this will never happen with Republicans who think government should be shrunk so small you can drown it in a bathtub and education is for snobs and science is a "faith".

Look at Rick Perry, praying for rain in a stadium hoping with more voices, God will "take notice". Give me a break. That's how Republicans approach problems.

Office of the Governor Rick Perry - [Proclamation] Gov. Perry Issues Proclamation for Days of Prayer for Rain in Texas

How will "desalination" refill the "Mississippi" River to cover the "relics" again and make it "passable" for "barge" traffic?

What is your "plan" to get the "massive" amount of ocean "water" needed to the "Midwest"?

We get "massive amounts" of oil from place to place. Why not massive amounts of water? We use things called "pipelines".

Besides, we can build railroads. The important thing is to get water to the "bread basket" of America. Without food, we starve. Did that have to be explained?

Starve?

40% corn crops going to ethanol. 20% of that is exported.

Exporting millions of metric tons each year of ag grains and products, while WE pay record prices for groceries.

Ag has taken us for a ride for decades.

 

[007]

Republicans say "let it die". No spending on infrastructure. We do nothing. That will "save money".

And democrats say spend, spend, spend like money grows on trees, we can always print more until it isn't worth piss in the wind and our country goes bankrupt.

STFU moron.

 

[rdean]

Republicans say "let it die". No spending on infrastructure. We do nothing. That will "save money".

And democrats say spend, spend, spend like money grows on trees, we can always print more until it isn't worth piss in the wind and our country goes bankrupt.

STFU moron.

Republicans spend. It just depends on the decade. When that party was filled with "liberals", they spent money on building NASA and the interstate highway system.

Now a days, after all the liberals left and the conservatives joined, they spend money on wars and tax cuts for billionaires.

And you call me a "moron"? No wonder your kind wants normal people to "STFU".