Rising Sea Levels Reshape Miami’s Housing Market

[jc456]

It also drains off the ground, and built up areas trap the water. These idiots know so little about how the world actually functions it is astonishing.

Right? They don't know that a storm can saturate the soil and flood an area. Happens in my neighborhood when we get 7 inches from one storm. And, I'm in fking chicago. How far away is that from Miami?

 

[flacaltenn]

That would of course depend on WHERE on the planet you are talking about.
But it hasn't been mentioned many times...
and of course I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO BRING UP 'SUBSIDENCE' (Your welcome for the term illiterate!) in posts #27/29 as Sunset Tommy was cherry picking locales that may have seismically risen.

Subsidence IS a problem in the Southeastern USA, and why S-L is rising Much Faster from maybe VA to around the Gulf Coast.

and I'll go you 10 better you Dishonorable Discharge dope...

When/as sea level rises it will rise more at the lower latitudes (nearest equator) due to gravitational forces.
This came up recently on the speculation of what would happen if Thwaites broke off.
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What you've NEVER brought up and what you're obviously oblivious of - is that a SIGNIFICANT % of sea level rate of rise is due to THERMAL EXPANSION of the oceans. That's how "in the noise" these rates that have your hair on fire really are.

Last time I checked it wasn't about MORE WATER in the oceans, it was about 40% just from a couple DEGF rise over 80 years or so.

Which means that the REST of the rise contributions like subsidence and MORE RUNOFF from urbanization add along with the thermal expansion to the MAJORITY of sea level rise.

It's NOT all coming from "Greenland/Antarctica melting". And all the bloody fear porn about PROJECTIONS of sea level rise and sinking Fla and NYC underwater haven't even begun and will likely NEVER match the PROJECTED SLRise..

Ocean Thermal Expansion: In Theory and by a Simple Experiment

Thermal expansion is a concept of sea level changes quite frequently discussed today. The concept goes far back in time and was then known as steric changes in sea level caused by change in temperature or salinity [1]. The Holocene sea level oscillations on a centennial bases were sometimes...

juniperpublishers.com

Temperature changes in the ocean water masses affect the vertical height of the water column by expansion at heating and contraction at cooling. The surface change is a function of the amount of heating and the depth of heating (or cooling). A heating of 0.55 °C as observed for the upper 100 m of the ocean surface would correspond to a sea level expansion of 9 mm. A heating of 2.0 °C would rise a 300 m water column by +10 cm, a 100 m water column by +3.5 cm and a 10 m water column by +3.5 mm. At the shore there will be no rise at all, as there is no water to expand, and the offshore expansion will not flow laterally to the shore (Thermal Expansion, Encyclopedia of Coastal Science, 2017). We will demonstrate this with a simple physical experiment (communicating vessels), which can be repeated by anyone.

Keywords: Thermal Expansion; Sea Level Changes; Theory and Experiment

TEN CM or MORE mid-ocean !!! That's HUGE compared to decadal rates. And the SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT is -- when they switched from shoreline "tidal gauges" to satellites where all the SLR data takes a JUMP -- it's highly related to the fact that shoreline tidal gauges totally MISSED any of the thermal expansion -- BUT NOW it's being measured.

BTW -- the ocean is FAR from flat. "Sea level" is a pretty RELATIVE idea in the age of satellite measurement.
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[flacaltenn]

They are two feet above sea level. This is a surprise to you?

And MAYBE 10 feet above the natural water table. LOL.. It's living on a limestone sponge.

 

[flacaltenn]

westwall elektra
LOL
Went through this early in the thread.
My post #16
NO, NOT JUST SAND but Sea Level and subsidence.
All you Clowns not only have no IQ but empty Political and personal hostility.
Note NONE of you posted a link above to document your opinions.
Not all of you together are close to debating me.

Why Are Sea Levels Around Miami Rising So Much Faster Than Other Places?

Sea levels in South Florida have gone up about a Foot since the 1930s, but around 2011, the slow upward creep of the ocean seemed to kick into high gear, with tidal gauges recording much Faster rates of sea level rise and residents noting a stark uptick in so-called “nuisance” floods.
A new study confirms that this was not Floridians’ imaginations:
From 2011 to at least 2015, the rate of sea level rise across the Southeastern US shot up by a factor of Six, from 3-4 millimeters a year to 20, and a combination of oceanic and atmospheric processes seem to be responsible
[.....]
“The Miami area started getting almost an Inch of sea level [rise] a Year,” Hal Wanless, a coastal geologist at the University of Miami, told Gizmodo. “People Noticed that.”..


SSSSPPPPLATTTTTTTT

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Already addressed that. They stopped USING tidal gauges and went to satellite measurements in about 2011. I suspect -- when you get past about 30 year AVERAGING of that discontinuity in method of measurement -- things will get back on track.

If you look at CONTINUING DATA from the old tidal guage network -- NONE of that bump shows..

 

[flacaltenn]

Pulled a RECENT tidal gauge chart for Key West.. The other was old.

From tidal gauges measuring more COASTAL impact than GLOBAL satellite, there's a tiny ONE TIME bump (not yet a rate increase) in 2011. MAYBE 20mm in 2011 or so -- BUT NOT any acceleration in rate. And there are times in the 30s and 60s where there were bumps BELOW the trend line also...

 

[Captain Caveman]

abu afak , as the climate is coming out the most recent ice age, if man didn't exist, do you think sea levels would rise as the ice naturally melts?

 

[abu afak]

What you've NEVER brought up and what you're obviously oblivious of - is that a SIGNIFICANT % of sea level rate of rise is due to THERMAL EXPANSION of the oceans. That's how "in the noise" these rates that have your hair on fire really are.

Last time I checked it wasn't about MORE WATER in the oceans, it was about 40% just from a couple DEGF rise over 80 years or so.

Which means that the REST of the rise contributions like subsidence and MORE RUNOFF from urbanization add along with the thermal expansion to the MAJORITY of sea level rise.

It's NOT all coming from "Greenland/Antarctica melting". And all the bloody fear porn about PROJECTIONS of sea level rise and sinking Fla and NYC underwater haven't even begun and will likely NEVER match the PROJECTED SLRise..

Ocean Thermal Expansion: In Theory and by a Simple Experiment

Thermal expansion is a concept of sea level changes quite frequently discussed today. The concept goes far back in time and was then known as steric changes in sea level caused by change in temperature or salinity [1]. The Holocene sea level oscillations on a centennial bases were sometimes...

juniperpublishers.com

Temperature changes in the ocean water masses affect the vertical height of the water column by expansion at heating and contraction at cooling. The surface change is a function of the amount of heating and the depth of heating (or cooling). A heating of 0.55 °C as observed for the upper 100 m of the ocean surface would correspond to a sea level expansion of 9 mm. A heating of 2.0 °C would rise a 300 m water column by +10 cm, a 100 m water column by +3.5 cm and a 10 m water column by +3.5 mm. At the shore there will be no rise at all, as there is no water to expand, and the offshore expansion will not flow laterally to the shore (Thermal Expansion, Encyclopedia of Coastal Science, 2017). We will demonstrate this with a simple physical experiment (communicating vessels), which can be repeated by anyone.

Keywords: Thermal Expansion; Sea Level Changes; Theory and Experiment

TEN CM or MORE mid-ocean !!! That's HUGE compared to decadal rates. And the SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT is -- when they switched from shoreline "tidal gauges" to satellites where all the SLR data takes a JUMP -- it's highly related to the fact that shoreline tidal gauges totally MISSED any of the thermal expansion -- BUT NOW it's being measured.

BTW -- the ocean is FAR from flat. "Sea level" is a pretty RELATIVE idea in the age of satellite measurement.
​

Wrong again goofy.

I finished you off forever in your own Meister Sticky on the issue.
I showed you had Mindblowingly wrong takes on Basic facts, even the actual avg Global temps of the last decade+.
Holy **** I never knew you were that ignorant until pressed you.
(and you had to be pressed because you would not state you position either)

Flacaltenn's Blinding ignorance outed!

Official Thread for Denial of GreenHouse Effect and Radiative Physics.

"Meaty"? If you mean in a vegan, fake meat sort of way, ok. But we only deal with facts, not false claims. To date you have never posted one thing that supports the idea that mankind causes globull warming. Not one. We, on the other hand, have posted THOUSANDS of links that prove the theory...

www.usmessageboard.com

and yes, of course I know and have posted recently on Thermal expansion. :^) 12/30/21

WSJ: Himalayan Glaciers Are Melting at Furious Rate, New Study Shows

Irrelevant, as usual. Crusader Frank running from his 'lab work' position like the Saracens are after him, as usual. He has no problems with the 'scientific consensus' on black holes even though no lab work has been done on them. He knows Salah Eh Din will have his balls.

www.usmessageboard.com

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"...The two major causes of global sea level rise are thermal expansion caused by warming of the ocean (since water expands as it warms) and increased melting of land-based ice, such as glaciers and ice sheets. The ocean is absorbing more than 90% of the increased atmospheric heat associated with emissions from human activity.""​

So many here try to cover their Inability TO respond by multi-posting/burying with non-answers. (elektra, wetwall, ding, Flacaltenn, etc)
This I am used to from 20 years of Kicking ass on message boards.
I leave them baying at the moon.
Oft putting up 2 or 3, realizing their inadequacy and/or trying to bury it.


Mod Edit -- Content contains discussion of specific moderation actions. Will discuss in existing PM.

 

[westwall]

Wrong again goofy.

I finished you off forever in your own Meister Sticky on the issue.
I showed you had Mindblowingly wrong takes on Basic facts, even the actual avg Global temps of the last decade+.
Holy **** I never knew you were that ignorant until pressed you.
(and you had to be pressed because you would not state you position either)

Flacaltenn's Blinding ignorance outed!

Official Thread for Denial of GreenHouse Effect and Radiative Physics.

"Meaty"? If you mean in a vegan, fake meat sort of way, ok. But we only deal with facts, not false claims. To date you have never posted one thing that supports the idea that mankind causes globull warming. Not one. We, on the other hand, have posted THOUSANDS of links that prove the theory...

www.usmessageboard.com

and yes, of course I know and have posted recently on Thermal expansion. :^)

WSJ: Himalayan Glaciers Are Melting at Furious Rate, New Study Shows

Irrelevant, as usual. Crusader Frank running from his 'lab work' position like the Saracens are after him, as usual. He has no problems with the 'scientific consensus' on black holes even though no lab work has been done on them. He knows Salah Eh Din will have his balls.

www.usmessageboard.com

​

"...The two major causes of global sea level rise are thermal expansion caused by warming of the ocean (since water expands as it warms) and increased melting of land-based ice, such as glaciers and ice sheets. The ocean is absorbing more than 90% of the increased atmospheric heat associated with emissions from human activity.""​

So many here try to cover their Inability TO respond by multi-posting/burying with non-answers. (elektra, wetwall, ding, Flacaltenn, etc)
This I am used to from 20 years of Kicking ass on message boards.
I leave them baying at the moon.
Oft putting up 2 or 3, realizing their inadequacy and/or trying to bury it.



(I imagine this post will get another of Westwall's 300 feedbacks a day, and maybe even one of his 75 demented one-line posts.
But with 375 (RW) actions a day how good can they be at 20+ an hour for 16 hours?
Good thing he was Demoted/Fired from a mod position.
No way the usual excuse "he didn't have time to do it" will fly with his amount of activity.)


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You spew endlessly. You also don't understand ANY of the basics. Why do I need to respond with more than a single line? Others have laid it out, chapter and verse, and you STILL have no clue.

Face it, you are too stupid to understand.

 

[jc456]

Wrong again goofy.

I finished you off forever in your own Meister Sticky on the issue.
I showed you had Mindblowingly wrong takes on Basic facts, even the actual avg Global temps of the last decade+.
Holy **** I never knew you were that ignorant until pressed you.
(and you had to be pressed because you would not state you position either)

Flacaltenn's Blinding ignorance outed!

Official Thread for Denial of GreenHouse Effect and Radiative Physics.

"Meaty"? If you mean in a vegan, fake meat sort of way, ok. But we only deal with facts, not false claims. To date you have never posted one thing that supports the idea that mankind causes globull warming. Not one. We, on the other hand, have posted THOUSANDS of links that prove the theory...

www.usmessageboard.com

and yes, of course I know and have posted recently on Thermal expansion. :^) 12/30/21

WSJ: Himalayan Glaciers Are Melting at Furious Rate, New Study Shows

Irrelevant, as usual. Crusader Frank running from his 'lab work' position like the Saracens are after him, as usual. He has no problems with the 'scientific consensus' on black holes even though no lab work has been done on them. He knows Salah Eh Din will have his balls.

www.usmessageboard.com

​

"...The two major causes of global sea level rise are thermal expansion caused by warming of the ocean (since water expands as it warms) and increased melting of land-based ice, such as glaciers and ice sheets. The ocean is absorbing more than 90% of the increased atmospheric heat associated with emissions from human activity.""​

So many here try to cover their Inability TO respond by multi-posting/burying with non-answers. (elektra, wetwall, ding, Flacaltenn, etc)
This I am used to from 20 years of Kicking ass on message boards.
I leave them baying at the moon.
Oft putting up 2 or 3, realizing their inadequacy and/or trying to bury it.



(I imagine this post will get another of Westwall's 300 feedbacks a day, and maybe even one of his 75 demented one-line posts.
But with 375 (RW) actions a day how good can they be at 20+ an hour for 16 hours?
Good thing he was Demoted/Fired from a mod position.
No way the usual excuse "he didn't have time to do it" will fly with his amount of activity.)
EDIT: Yep. Done. wetwall is a no-life OCD case/feedback bomber

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^too stupid to know!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[elektra]

Miami flooding but only at extra high tides in streets built below the high tide mark.

That type of flooding has nothing to do with a rising sea level

Yet, no flooding if there are no storms and there are normal tides.

Miami’s Vice

Guest Essay by Kip Hansen Miami Beach has a vice – a bad one – a dangerous one. Miami’s vice is water, as in waterfront. Everybody seems to want a house on the waterfront, a house on a cana…

wattsupwiththat.com

Abu afak "whiffed", on this post.

Though, cowardly and ignorantly disagrees

 

[jc456]

Abu afak "whiffed", on this post.

Though, cowardly and ignorantly disagrees

 

[abu afak]

Where were we?
So MANY Trolls, even those who you wouldn't think to be.. are.
These people are amazingly allowed to continue in the thread!
Even non-Blatant trolls harass with garbage posts. 'The other white meat.'
IAC..

What happens when what RW warming deniers call 'alarmism' is actually simple truth?

Unpacking Miami’s New 40-Year Plan Against Rising Sea Levels​

Miami releases the Stormwater Master Plan, a comprehensive guide that outlines how South Florida can combat the encroaching effects of climate change.​

July 8, 2021 - Miami Herald​

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Unless Miami acts fast, its days above water are numbered. The South Florida city recently released the Stormwater Master Plan, a comprehensive guide that outlines how the city can combat the encroaching effects of climate change and rising sea levels.​

The report uses extensive mapping data from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to propose a series of storm-proofing solutions within the next five to seven decades, including major upgrades to the city’s water management systems. “The most common question I get asked is whether Miami is going to be here in 50 years, whether it’s going to be here in 100 years,” Mayor Francis Suarez told the Miami Herald. “This is the beginning of having a comprehensive plan to answer that question in the affirmative.”​

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[.......]​

Unpacking Miami’s New 40-Year Plan Against Rising Sea Levels – SURFACE

Miami releases the Stormwater Master Plan, a comprehensive guide that outlines how South Florida can combat the encroaching effects of climate change.

www.surfacemag.com

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[elektra]

Where were we?
So MANY Trolls, even those who you wouldn't think to be.. are.
These people are amazingly allowed to continue in the thread!
Even non-Blatant trolls harass with garbage posts. 'The other white meat.'
IAC..

What happens when what RW warming deniers call 'alarmism' is actually simple truth?

Unpacking Miami’s New 40-Year Plan Against Rising Sea Levels​

Miami releases the Stormwater Master Plan, a comprehensive guide that outlines how South Florida can combat the encroaching effects of climate change.​

July 8, 2021 - Miami Herald​

​

​

Unless Miami acts fast, its days above water are numbered. The South Florida city recently released the Stormwater Master Plan, a comprehensive guide that outlines how the city can combat the encroaching effects of climate change and rising sea levels.​

The report uses extensive mapping data from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to propose a series of storm-proofing solutions within the next five to seven decades, including major upgrades to the city’s water management systems. “The most common question I get asked is whether Miami is going to be here in 50 years, whether it’s going to be here in 100 years,” Mayor Francis Suarez told the Miami Herald. “This is the beginning of having a comprehensive plan to answer that question in the affirmative.”​

​

[.......]​

Unpacking Miami’s New 40-Year Plan Against Rising Sea Levels – SURFACE

Miami releases the Stormwater Master Plan, a comprehensive guide that outlines how South Florida can combat the encroaching effects of climate change.

www.surfacemag.com

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you sure are one smart critter, aint you

you found a google searched headline you can agree with

only problem is, that is all you got, a headline, the rest of the content is simple coastal city planning with zero content in regards to man made global warming and the disaster aba dabba do claims will come to miami.

the thinnest of threads, or in this case, nothing, aba dabba do has linked to a big nothing

you are really as dumb as old crock, if not dumber, if not another account for old crock, after all, I think "whiffed" is a term an old geezer like old crock would use

 

[abu afak]

you sure are one smart critter, aint you

you found a google searched headline you can agree with

only problem is, that is all you got, a headline, the rest of the content is simple coastal city planning with zero content in regards to man made global warming and the disaster aba dabba do claims will come to miami.

the thinnest of threads, or in this case, nothing, aba dabba do has linked to a big nothing

you are really as dumb as old crock, if not dumber, if not another account for old crock, after all, I think "whiffed" is a term an old geezer like old crock would use

You couldn't respond to MY OWN WORDS.
In YOUR numbers 1-4 I responded elaborately, only using a link for PART of #1.
You whiffed many times despite me pressing your ass from here to eternity.. You FRAUD.

#2 (unmentioned/untouched) was me explaining AGW in a short of an encapsulation as possible using my own words because I understand the issue and have looked into it more than anyone here has bothered.

Google and it's links are great for learning. YOU should try it.
Many here have, but find what they don't like because they are politically blind/stubborn and/or are Low IQ.
Read some of the Links in my "How do we know..." thread/OP. Learn
Nah, You prefer to keep you politics/persona, RW friends, beer and WWE.

You're just a disagreeable FRAUD, and I ill never forget or let go of "1-4."

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[elektra]

You couldn't respond to MY OWN WORDS.
In YOUR numbers 1-4 responded elaborately, only using a link for PART of #1.
You whiffed many times despite me pressing your ass from here to eternity.. You FRAUD.

#2 (unmentioned/untouched) was me explaining AGW in a short of encapsulation as possible using my own words because I understand the issue and have looked into it more than anyone here has bothered.

Google and it's links are great for learning. YOU should try it.
Many here have, but find what they don't like because they are politically blind/stubborn and/or are Low IQ.
Read some of the Links in my "How do we know..." thread/OP. Learn
Nah, You prefer to keep you politics/persona, RW friends, beer and WWE.
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you are a complete idiot, how about 3 and 4, that was really great, abu dumbfk simply said, in the futher 3. solar 4 wind will solve those problems

#2 agw and the scientists that agree, hahahahahahahha, post the study dumb ass, not a partisan google political link that you agree with.

I responded plenty, and you whiffed ass all over your keyboard, you could not respond,

I took the points one at a time, and you cried that you one, not even being smart enough to see that each post I made addressed each of the 4 points. That is how utterly stupid you are.

Your last link, links to the city of miami's plan to address storms and flooding because of them. That link to the plan, in the link you gave, is what you should of followed if you were intelligent but you are as dumb as old crock.

Politics? The only politics you know is that between your hemorrhoids and the scratch of being unclean, which is it, moron?

 

[abu afak]

you are a complete idiot, how about 3 and 4, that was really great, abu dumbfk simply said, in the futher 3. solar 4 wind will solve those problems

#2 agw and the scientists that agree, hahahahahahahha, post the study dumb ass, not a partisan google political link that you agree with.

I responded plenty, and you whiffed ass all over your keyboard, you could not respond,

I took the points one at a time, and you cried that you one, not even being smart enough to see that each post I made addressed each of the 4 points. That is how utterly stupid you are.

Your last link, links to the city of miami's plan to address storms and flooding because of them. That link to the plan, in the link you gave, is what you should of followed if you were intelligent but you are as dumb as old crock.

Politics? The only politics you know is that between your hemorrhoids and the scratch of being unclean, which is it, moron?

Just alot of combative trash. The usual for Elektra-Fraud.
See, that's why links ARE needed sometime lest two people end up in a yes/no/yes/no disagreement
In any debate people use citation when that happens. It's only obvious it's needed.
And obviously I have an advantage advocating the truth with an overwhelming scientific consensus on the issue.
No google/info would be great for you deniers.

How's the "heads I win, tails you lose" game going?
It's either "Just my opinion", OR, "That's just a link that agrees with you."
I know the routine!

Me? I'm able to deal with other people's opinions or links. (you? neither)
Well outnumbered here, it's still a knife though butter/buttheads like you every day.

Goodbye for a while junior. I'll wait for some more mature responses. (good luck with that on USMB!)


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[westwall]

You couldn't respond to MY OWN WORDS.
In YOUR numbers 1-4 I responded elaborately, only using a link for PART of #1.
You whiffed many times despite me pressing your ass from here to eternity.. You FRAUD.

#2 (unmentioned/untouched) was me explaining AGW in a short of an encapsulation as possible using my own words because I understand the issue and have looked into it more than anyone here has bothered.

Google and it's links are great for learning. YOU should try it.
Many here have, but find what they don't like because they are politically blind/stubborn and/or are Low IQ.
Read some of the Links in my "How do we know..." thread/OP. Learn
Nah, You prefer to keep you politics/persona, RW friends, beer and WWE.

You're just a disagreeable FRAUD, and I ill never forget or let go of "1-4."

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You aren't capable of using your own words. It is obvious that you are nothing more than a parrot. The video I presented is over 40 years old. It is REAL science. Not the fiction you present. I suggest you watch it in its entirety. You might actually learn something.

 

[elektra]

In any debate people use citation when that happens. It's only obvious it's needed.
And obviously I have an advantage advocating the truth with an overwhelming scientific consensus on the issue.
No google/info would be great for you deniers.

abu afuk, you link to the wsj? The wall st. journal's opinion pieces. An opinion piece is not a citation.

There is no truth in science, there is truth in math, but not in science. Is that not your quote?

And in science, they do not use a consensus to prove theories, as you mistakenly believe. But hey, being a monkey boy, what do you know.

Consensus, yes, the fake consensus of scientists never asked what they know to be fact.

 

[elektra]

You couldn't respond to MY OWN WORDS.
In YOUR numbers 1-4 I responded elaborately, only using a link for PART of #1.
You whiffed many times despite me pressing your ass from here to eternity.. You FRAUD.

#2 (unmentioned/untouched) was me explaining AGW in a short of an encapsulation as possible using my own words because I understand the issue and have looked into it more than anyone here has bothered.

Google and it's links are great for learning. YOU should try it.
Many here have, but find what they don't like because they are politically blind/stubborn and/or are Low IQ.
Read some of the Links in my "How do we know..." thread/OP. Learn
Nah, You prefer to keep you politics/persona, RW friends, beer and WWE.

You're just a disagreeable FRAUD, and I ill never forget or let go of "1-4."

`

you already let 1-4 go, you failed to respond to the facts I presented.

 

[elektra]

You couldn't respond to MY OWN WORDS.
In YOUR numbers 1-4 I responded elaborately, only using a link for PART of #1.

Part 1, a link to miami's storm flooding plan? That is not a plan for man made global warming.

And why is it that you took so much offense to my response to OLD CROCK's post? Why did not Old Crock respond to my comments on his post. Abu Afak responds as if I was commenting on your post. Does old crock have to profiles, is this you old crock

old crock/abu afak, one in the same users

yes, that is right old abu crock afuk, you are that stupid, to post a link to miami's storm plan, thinking it was a plan to combat climate change.

you lost on 1, old crock