RIP to the Republican Party

[whitehall]

It's hard to imagine the party of JFK "ask not what your country can do for you" running so far off the political charts in fifty years and running a freaking Marxist socialist. At this rate the democrat party might not last another four years.

 

[Nicholas_1982]

It's hard to imagine the party of JFK "ask not what your country can do for you" running so far off the political charts in fifty years and running a freaking Marxist socialist. At this rate the democrat party might not last another four years.

I hope the 2 party system would end. partisan hacks impede democracy, not enhance it. we don't even have 2 parties anymore. we have the radical right and the moderate right, 2 factions of the same party

 

[sonic]

 

[Votto]

Since when was the GOP ever conservative?

Change their names all around if you like, no one really cares.

 

[Nicholas_1982]

Since when was the GOP ever conservative?

Change their names all around if you like, no one really cares.

eroding abortion rights in conservative legislatures across the country, open carry laws and concealed carry laws, a few conservative state legislatures allowing teachers to incorporate creationism into curriculum to be taught alongside evolution etc etc

 

[Votto]

Since when was the GOP ever conservative?

Change their names all around if you like, no one really cares.

eroding abortion rights in conservative legislatures across the country, open carry laws and concealed carry laws, a few conservative state legislatures allowing teachers to incorporate creationism into curriculum to be taught alongside evolution etc etc

The GOP over the years has been used as a speed bump to Progressivism. It was a way to turn the heat up slowly so that the frog does not jump out of the pot.

However, now that they have progressed to such a degree as we see today, I'm not sure they care about small progressive steps anymore. My guess is that they are ready to accelerate into full blown fascism now.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Rest In Peace To The Republican Party

John Zogby, Contributor
Mar 16, 2016 @ 12:29 AM

The Republican Party, known by its nickname as the Grand Old Party, died on March 15, 2016. It was 162 years old. The party, born in the strife of the 1850s, succumbed to internal strife, sources said.

The GOP had been suffering from hopeless internal divisiveness brought on by multiple sectors internally all claiming to be the “real conservatives” and no one ready to agree on a unifying theme. The party stopped breathing because of demographics that were stacked against it and its inability to adjust to a different America demographically, culturally, and having a worldview that didn’t recognize new global realities.

What accelerated its demise, however, was the consistent victories and accumulation of delegates by real estate mogul and reality television star Donald Trump. Party sources said that Trump was able to exploit fears of white Americans who could not adjust to a changing America. One Trump supporter told us that “We grew up in an all-white America with Christian values. We look around and see immigrants, Muslims, people who are just not like us.” Others cited Supreme Court decisions that granted gay Americans the right to marry and legislation that expanded healthcare coverage to millions of previously uninsured Americans.

Party officials made last ditch efforts to revive the dying party but primary voters granted Trump victories in key states like Florida, Illinois and North Carolina. Given that Trump ran a campaign against party officials, eschewed the services of GOP policy elite advisors, ignored the role of campaign consultants, and—according to many party leaders—most likely did not believe much (if any) of the things he was saying, any effort by GOP establishment to stop Trump was doomed before it really began.

“How do you deny the nomination to someone who actually comes to the party’s convention with the most votes? Are we a party that respects votes or a party that bows to its elites?” said one Trump supporter.

But several of those party elites reiterated that “We just cannot go into this general election with a nominee who attacks Hispanics, Muslims, foreign nations, women and more.” Others noted that they simply cannot support Trump as a Republican candidate. Ironically, sources said, the very group—notably Millennials—who were not necessarily enthusiastic about likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would probably raise their intensity level to vote against Trump.

In short, according to GOP officials, “We had a choice to either accept Trump as our nominee or fight his nomination. Either way we lose.”

The GOP leaves behind millions of supporters identified as “real conservatives,” angry whites who just could not adjust to change.

Calling hours will held in Cleveland July 18-21.

***
I may be dead wrong about this, especially since Hillary Clinton is a damaged candidate and the GOP has strong state parties that control the majority of state governorships and legislatures.

But after March 15, it appears that the GOP is heading towards some serious bloodletting. There may be some efforts to sit down and “make deals” with Donald Trump, but he has said a lot of things about a lot of people—and those statements are simply not going away.

www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2016/03/16/rest-in-peace-to-the-republican-party/#182db1b26fe3

The GOP isn’t ‘dead,’ nor is it ‘dying.’

And many of the problems facing the party manifested long before Trump, who is merely a symptom of the disease debilitating the party.

But eventually the GOP must come to terms with the conflicts, problems, and failings handicapping the party.

Among the problems the GOP must face are the social right, religious fundamentalism, the TPM, and the propensity of bigots and racists to find refuge among the ranks of republicans and who identify as republican and conservative.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

the irony

the dnc is run by a person that can't tell the difference between a dem and a socialist and it's top runner for the nom can't either.

and in the meantime, not a single liberal is in the race.

The dnc died and no one noticed.

The red herring fallacy.

The thread is about the GOP.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The reason I left the Republican party is exactly because of what's going on now. It is not the party I thought I was joining in 2008. The death of the Republican party was due to internal intolerance, or people not being able to tolerate even one minor difference in opinion. Eventually it began to tear itself apart. It was due to men calling themselves "real conservatives" and doing the exact opposite after they were elected. They all played on the principles of their electorate and abjectly betrayed them. It was due to the more extreme element of the party "killing off" per se, all the moderates in the party.

The anger is too great, being conventional is outdated. "Conservatism", as it was, died last night and the "establishment" has only itself to blame. It was a long time coming. If you betray the will of your constituents too many times, they will willingly set aside their principles to destroy you.

the "GOP" that is today's is not the same party of Goldwater. or even Ford. Trump has become their Frankenstein.

When the GOP decided to betray the interests of their voters, they created this "Frankenstein". Like I said, some people have been driven to the point where they are willing to sacrifice their values to illicit change. Nothing else has worked for them thus far.

Until the parties start thinking about the will of the people, they will continue to get people like Trump, or even Sanders.

In a nutshell, this is what happens when the traditional values people hold dear die and the corpses that are those values are amalgamated into the Frankensteins you see today running for president. There are those who simply just don't react well to being ignored or betrayed.

This begs the question: how did we get to this point? What got us here? Who is responsible?

 

[Votto]

The reason I left the Republican party is exactly because of what's going on now. It is not the party I thought I was joining in 2008. The death of the Republican party was due to internal intolerance, or people not being able to tolerate even one minor difference in opinion. Eventually it began to tear itself apart. It was due to men calling themselves "real conservatives" and doing the exact opposite after they were elected. They all played on the principles of their electorate and abjectly betrayed them. It was due to the more extreme element of the party "killing off" per se, all the moderates in the party.

The anger is too great, being conventional is outdated. "Conservatism", as it was, died last night and the "establishment" has only itself to blame. It was a long time coming. If you betray the will of your constituents too many times, they will willingly set aside their principles to destroy you.

the "GOP" that is today's is not the same party of Goldwater. or even Ford. Trump has become their Frankenstein.

When the GOP decided to betray the interests of their voters, they created this "Frankenstein". Like I said, some people have been driven to the point where they are willing to sacrifice their values to illicit change. Nothing else has worked for them thus far.

Until the parties start thinking about the will of the people, they will continue to get people like Trump, or even Sanders.

In a nutshell, this is what happens when the traditional values people hold dear die and the corpses that are those values are amalgamated into the Frankensteins you see today running for president. There are those who simply just don't react well to being ignored or betrayed.

This begs the question: how did we get to this point? What got us here? Who is responsible?

Well that is an easy question to answer. The Progressive era got us to this point.

The Constitution has been usurped so many times it's not fit to use as toilet paper at this point. Power has been centralized to the point that all people care about is voting for the most benevolent dictator.

The party system has nothing to do with this other than the fact that both parties are and have been Progressive, much like how Teddy Roosevelt started this crap at the turn of the 20th century. Then with the creation of a centralized bank and a Federal Income tax all power was stripped from the states and given to the Federal government where more power was centralized to the Executive Branch. Now it's to the point that the President writes Executive Orders that even conflict with laws on the books Congress has passed. Does anyone give a damn? Nope, not even the famed GOP.

So no, the GOP is not going anywhere just like the DNC is not going anywhere. They need each other to blame all the problems in the world on each other while they both laugh about it together afterwards.

The only hope in the US, if you can all it hope, is the Article V movement. Power needs to be returned to the states and the only way for this to happen is for states to rise up and demand it via the Constitution. There is no possible reform within the US federal government. After watching this circus of an election this should become painfully obvious to everyone.

 

[Two Thumbs]

the irony

the dnc is run by a person that can't tell the difference between a dem and a socialist and it's top runner for the nom can't either.

and in the meantime, not a single liberal is in the race.

The dnc died and no one noticed.

The red herring fallacy.

The thread is about the GOP.

and yet you couldn't say I was even the slightest bit incorrect.

The truth hurts, that's why you replied to my post.

 

[JimH52]

Rest In Peace To The Republican Party

John Zogby, Contributor
Mar 16, 2016 @ 12:29 AM

The Republican Party, known by its nickname as the Grand Old Party, died on March 15, 2016. It was 162 years old. The party, born in the strife of the 1850s, succumbed to internal strife, sources said.

The GOP had been suffering from hopeless internal divisiveness brought on by multiple sectors internally all claiming to be the “real conservatives” and no one ready to agree on a unifying theme. The party stopped breathing because of demographics that were stacked against it and its inability to adjust to a different America demographically, culturally, and having a worldview that didn’t recognize new global realities.

What accelerated its demise, however, was the consistent victories and accumulation of delegates by real estate mogul and reality television star Donald Trump. Party sources said that Trump was able to exploit fears of white Americans who could not adjust to a changing America. One Trump supporter told us that “We grew up in an all-white America with Christian values. We look around and see immigrants, Muslims, people who are just not like us.” Others cited Supreme Court decisions that granted gay Americans the right to marry and legislation that expanded healthcare coverage to millions of previously uninsured Americans.

Party officials made last ditch efforts to revive the dying party but primary voters granted Trump victories in key states like Florida, Illinois and North Carolina. Given that Trump ran a campaign against party officials, eschewed the services of GOP policy elite advisors, ignored the role of campaign consultants, and—according to many party leaders—most likely did not believe much (if any) of the things he was saying, any effort by GOP establishment to stop Trump was doomed before it really began.

“How do you deny the nomination to someone who actually comes to the party’s convention with the most votes? Are we a party that respects votes or a party that bows to its elites?” said one Trump supporter.

But several of those party elites reiterated that “We just cannot go into this general election with a nominee who attacks Hispanics, Muslims, foreign nations, women and more.” Others noted that they simply cannot support Trump as a Republican candidate. Ironically, sources said, the very group—notably Millennials—who were not necessarily enthusiastic about likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would probably raise their intensity level to vote against Trump.

In short, according to GOP officials, “We had a choice to either accept Trump as our nominee or fight his nomination. Either way we lose.”

The GOP leaves behind millions of supporters identified as “real conservatives,” angry whites who just could not adjust to change.

Calling hours will held in Cleveland July 18-21.

***
I may be dead wrong about this, especially since Hillary Clinton is a damaged candidate and the GOP has strong state parties that control the majority of state governorships and legislatures.

But after March 15, it appears that the GOP is heading towards some serious bloodletting. There may be some efforts to sit down and “make deals” with Donald Trump, but he has said a lot of things about a lot of people—and those statements are simply not going away.

www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2016/03/16/rest-in-peace-to-the-republican-party/#182db1b26fe3

BYOG
(bring your own gun)

 

[playtime]

The reason I left the Republican party is exactly because of what's going on now. It is not the party I thought I was joining in 2008. The death of the Republican party was due to internal intolerance, or people not being able to tolerate even one minor difference in opinion. Eventually it began to tear itself apart. It was due to men calling themselves "real conservatives" and doing the exact opposite after they were elected. They all played on the principles of their electorate and abjectly betrayed them. It was due to the more extreme element of the party "killing off" per se, all the moderates in the party.

The anger is too great, being conventional is outdated. "Conservatism", as it was, died last night and the "establishment" has only itself to blame. It was a long time coming. If you betray the will of your constituents too many times, they will willingly set aside their principles to destroy you.

the "GOP" that is today's is not the same party of Goldwater. or even Ford. Trump has become their Frankenstein.

When the GOP decided to betray the interests of their voters, they created this "Frankenstein". Like I said, some people have been driven to the point where they are willing to sacrifice their values to illicit change. Nothing else has worked for them thus far.

Until the parties start thinking about the will of the people, they will continue to get people like Trump, or even Sanders.

In a nutshell, this is what happens when the traditional values people hold dear die and the corpses that are those values are amalgamated into the Frankensteins you see today running for president. There are those who simply just don't react well to being ignored or betrayed.

This begs the question: how did we get to this point? What got us here? Who is responsible?

right now, there is a chasm between how the democrats & the 'republicans' are running their campaigns. I agree that trump is the mutant child between social & fiscal conservatives letting their party go straight to hell.

btw- I am an independent & have voted for both parties. but that was when the "GOP' WAS the GOP. there is a total freak show going on the right side of the aisle & there is no denying it.

 

[Two Thumbs]

The reason I left the Republican party is exactly because of what's going on now. It is not the party I thought I was joining in 2008. The death of the Republican party was due to internal intolerance, or people not being able to tolerate even one minor difference in opinion. Eventually it began to tear itself apart. It was due to men calling themselves "real conservatives" and doing the exact opposite after they were elected. They all played on the principles of their electorate and abjectly betrayed them. It was due to the more extreme element of the party "killing off" per se, all the moderates in the party.

The anger is too great, being conventional is outdated. "Conservatism", as it was, died last night and the "establishment" has only itself to blame. It was a long time coming. If you betray the will of your constituents too many times, they will willingly set aside their principles to destroy you.

the "GOP" that is today's is not the same party of Goldwater. or even Ford. Trump has become their Frankenstein.

When the GOP decided to betray the interests of their voters, they created this "Frankenstein". Like I said, some people have been driven to the point where they are willing to sacrifice their values to illicit change. Nothing else has worked for them thus far.

Until the parties start thinking about the will of the people, they will continue to get people like Trump, or even Sanders.

In a nutshell, this is what happens when the traditional values people hold dear die and the corpses that are those values are amalgamated into the Frankensteins you see today running for president. There are those who simply just don't react well to being ignored or betrayed.

This begs the question: how did we get to this point? What got us here? Who is responsible?

right now, there is a chasm between how the democrats & the 'republicans' are running their campaigns. I agree that trump is the mutant child between social & fiscal conservatives letting their party go straight to hell.

btw- I am an independent & have voted for both parties. but that was when the "GOP' WAS the GOP. there is a total freak show going on the right side of the aisle & there is no denying it.

since you are a bern supporter, plz take time to click the link in my sig line.

might want to revamp your idea of a freak show after.

 

[Militants]

The Republican Party, known by its nickname as the Grand Old Party, died on March 15, 2016. It was 162 years old. The party, born in the strife of the 1850s, succumbed to internal strife, sources said.

In short, according to GOP officials, “We had a choice to either accept Trump as our nominee or fight his nomination. Either way we lose.”

The GOP leaves behind millions of supporters identified as “real conservatives,” angry whites who just could not adjust to change.

John Kasich only chance are now to win everything states and I wondering which JK want's with his ideas with America if he suprises Trump in last stand victory if Americans change the mind about Trump(so not so rights but I like little JK) and he is fit for fight if Cruz drops out even he have more chanches than JK. Closer to win than JK even he must given up because he not taken 6 of 7 states in before last 2 he win 1+1 pcs of 5+2. I Hopes Cruz drops out and John Kasich take over in duell like Democrats but with Republicans.

 

[Slyhunter]

The Republican Party, known by its nickname as the Grand Old Party, died on March 15, 2016. It was 162 years old. The party, born in the strife of the 1850s, succumbed to internal strife, sources said.

In short, according to GOP officials, “We had a choice to either accept Trump as our nominee or fight his nomination. Either way we lose.”

The GOP leaves behind millions of supporters identified as “real conservatives,” angry whites who just could not adjust to change.

John Kasich only chance are now to win everything states and I wondering which JK want's with his ideas with America if he suprises Trump in last stand victory if Americans change the mind about Trump(so not so rights but I like little JK) and he is fit for fight if Cruz drops out even he have more chanches than JK. Closer to win than JK even he must given up because he not taken 6 of 7 states in before last 2 he win 1+1 pcs of 5+2. I Hopes Cruz drops out and John Kasich take over in duell like Democrats but with Republicans.

Kasich believes that if he quits, Trump wins. He's not in it to win it himself but to prevent Trump from winning.

 

[Militants]

The Republican Party, known by its nickname as the Grand Old Party, died on March 15, 2016. It was 162 years old. The party, born in the strife of the 1850s, succumbed to internal strife, sources said.

In short, according to GOP officials, “We had a choice to either accept Trump as our nominee or fight his nomination. Either way we lose.”

The GOP leaves behind millions of supporters identified as “real conservatives,” angry whites who just could not adjust to change.

John Kasich only chance are now to win everything states and I wondering which JK want's with his ideas with America if he suprises Trump in last stand victory if Americans change the mind about Trump(so not so rights but I like little JK) and he is fit for fight if Cruz drops out even he have more chanches than JK. Closer to win than JK even he must given up because he not taken 6 of 7 states in before last 2 he win 1+1 pcs of 5+2. I Hopes Cruz drops out and John Kasich take over in duell like Democrats but with Republicans.

Kasich believes that if he quits, Trump wins. He's not in it to win it himself but to prevent Trump from winning.

Me no understand.

Hoped not in Trump.

I changes me from nationalist to conservative.

I changes me to Hillary and Bernie to.

 

[playtime]

The reason I left the Republican party is exactly because of what's going on now. It is not the party I thought I was joining in 2008. The death of the Republican party was due to internal intolerance, or people not being able to tolerate even one minor difference in opinion. Eventually it began to tear itself apart. It was due to men calling themselves "real conservatives" and doing the exact opposite after they were elected. They all played on the principles of their electorate and abjectly betrayed them. It was due to the more extreme element of the party "killing off" per se, all the moderates in the party.

The anger is too great, being conventional is outdated. "Conservatism", as it was, died last night and the "establishment" has only itself to blame. It was a long time coming. If you betray the will of your constituents too many times, they will willingly set aside their principles to destroy you.

the "GOP" that is today's is not the same party of Goldwater. or even Ford. Trump has become their Frankenstein.

When the GOP decided to betray the interests of their voters, they created this "Frankenstein". Like I said, some people have been driven to the point where they are willing to sacrifice their values to illicit change. Nothing else has worked for them thus far.

Until the parties start thinking about the will of the people, they will continue to get people like Trump, or even Sanders.

In a nutshell, this is what happens when the traditional values people hold dear die and the corpses that are those values are amalgamated into the Frankensteins you see today running for president. There are those who simply just don't react well to being ignored or betrayed.

This begs the question: how did we get to this point? What got us here? Who is responsible?

right now, there is a chasm between how the democrats & the 'republicans' are running their campaigns. I agree that trump is the mutant child between social & fiscal conservatives letting their party go straight to hell.

btw- I am an independent & have voted for both parties. but that was when the "GOP' WAS the GOP. there is a total freak show going on the right side of the aisle & there is no denying it.

since you are a bern supporter, plz take time to click the link in my sig line.

might want to revamp your idea of a freak show after.

I don't click on any links I don't recognize; especially when it's prefixed with such flowery words

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Not punishing women for committing a crime if the GOP is successful in criminalizing abortion is the 600-pound gorilla in their position. If it against the law, but you don't punish someone for breaking the law, is it really illegal? what exactly will be the punishment inflicted on women by the GOP Patriarch Gorilla Bwanas ?

 

[IsaacNewton]

The reason I left the Republican party is exactly because of what's going on now. It is not the party I thought I was joining in 2008. The death of the Republican party was due to internal intolerance, or people not being able to tolerate even one minor difference in opinion. Eventually it began to tear itself apart. It was due to men calling themselves "real conservatives" and doing the exact opposite after they were elected. They all played on the principles of their electorate and abjectly betrayed them. It was due to the more extreme element of the party "killing off" per se, all the moderates in the party.

The anger is too great, being conventional is outdated. "Conservatism", as it was, died last night and the "establishment" has only itself to blame. It was a long time coming. If you betray the will of your constituents too many times, they will willingly set aside their principles to destroy you.

the "GOP" that is today's is not the same party of Goldwater. or even Ford. Trump has become their Frankenstein.

When the GOP decided to betray the interests of their voters, they created this "Frankenstein". Like I said, some people have been driven to the point where they are willing to sacrifice their values to illicit change. Nothing else has worked for them thus far.

Until the parties start thinking about the will of the people, they will continue to get people like Trump, or even Sanders.

In a nutshell, this is what happens when the traditional values people hold dear die and the corpses that are those values are amalgamated into the Frankensteins you see today running for president. There are those who simply just don't react well to being ignored or betrayed.

This begs the question: how did we get to this point? What got us here? Who is responsible?

right now, there is a chasm between how the democrats & the 'republicans' are running their campaigns. I agree that trump is the mutant child between social & fiscal conservatives letting their party go straight to hell.

btw- I am an independent & have voted for both parties. but that was when the "GOP' WAS the GOP. there is a total freak show going on the right side of the aisle & there is no denying it.

since you are a bern supporter, plz take time to click the link in my sig line.

might want to revamp your idea of a freak show after.

I don't click on any links I don't recognize; especially when it's prefixed with such flowery words

If you have a good Anti Virus with webchecking you don't have to worry. Generally.