"Rights are special privileges the government gives you."

[jon_berzerk]

The next generation might have an entirely different idea of what rights are all about. They are being taught the liberal way, which means students are taught that everything you have, including rights, are merely gifts from government. This has nothing to do with education and everything to do with political ideology being crammed down the throats of our youth.

From the link:

"Rights are special privileges the government gives you."

"Because the government gives us rights, we have a duty to be good citizens."

"Someday, you will be given the right to vote."

All of the above are on worksheets and taught to students.

Whoever wrote this believes that our rights are not inalienable, as it states in the constitution, rather that government "gives" us rights. If government can give you something, it can take it back. It infers that we must be good citizens to keep the rights that government allows us to have.

This is crap and it gives students the impression that we only have rights and freedom because government generously allowed us to. It's backwards. We have rights that government is not allowed to infringe upon and those rights and liberties guaranteed by our constitution are supposed to keep government in check. How many students now believe that government allows those rights as long as you obey them and behave like their definition of a good citizen? Some apparently believe that rights are how government keeps the people in check.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/205408-422-new-ohio-parent-calls-school-districts-horribly-mistaken-government-gives-us-rights-citizenship-handout/

the teaching staff at this school

needs to be removed asap

 

[jon_berzerk]

Point? Oh, you have none.

the point is that rights are given by governments. we have a right to free speech. not everyone country has that. freedom of religion/press/assembly? that's not universal. right to bear arms? nope. equal protection? please.

so what's the problem again?

Nope. The founding Fathers said it, our rights are given by God. Whether or not libtards socialists say otherwise makes no difference.

they may have believed that (although i find it weird that God would give a right to vote) but they sure didn't codify it.

did god just forget to give rights to other peoples of the world?

The right to vote is not in the Bill of Rights. Voting rights are a result of legislation.

And subject to cancellation by republicans that don't want certain people voting.

bs

 

[jasonnfree]

The next generation might have an entirely different idea of what rights are all about. They are being taught the liberal way, which means students are taught that everything you have, including rights, are merely gifts from government. This has nothing to do with education and everything to do with political ideology being crammed down the throats of our youth.

From the link:

"Rights are special privileges the government gives you."

"Because the government gives us rights, we have a duty to be good citizens."

"Someday, you will be given the right to vote."

All of the above are on worksheets and taught to students.

Whoever wrote this believes that our rights are not inalienable, as it states in the constitution, rather that government "gives" us rights. If government can give you something, it can take it back. It infers that we must be good citizens to keep the rights that government allows us to have.

This is crap and it gives students the impression that we only have rights and freedom because government generously allowed us to. It's backwards. We have rights that government is not allowed to infringe upon and those rights and liberties guaranteed by our constitution are supposed to keep government in check. How many students now believe that government allows those rights as long as you obey them and behave like their definition of a good citizen? Some apparently believe that rights are how government keeps the people in check.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/205408-422-new-ohio-parent-calls-school-districts-horribly-mistaken-government-gives-us-rights-citizenship-handout/

the teaching staff at this school


needs to be removed asap

What's your objection to what the kids are taught? Having to be taxed?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

do people in north korea have the right to vote?

Point? Oh, you have none.

the point is that rights are given by governments. we have a right to free speech. not everyone country has that. freedom of religion/press/assembly? that's not universal. right to bear arms? nope. equal protection? please.

so what's the problem again?

Nope. The founding Fathers said it, our rights are given by God. Whether or not libtards socialists say otherwise makes no difference.

Only the rights that you like of course.

Remember how outraged republicans were at the occupy wall street protesters for trying to exercise their free speech? Same with the right wing hatred of the protesters during the Vietnam war.

LOL! The Non-Occupying Occupiers were never seen as 'trying to exercise their free speech'. They were seen as, because they WERE: Trying to become the anti-Tea-Party, to cow supporter of the Tea-Party, to do what the Left is designed to do... to destroy property, intimidate toward the acquisition of political power.

"You'll know them by their fruit...". What did the Non-Occupying Occupiers produce? Disorder, Trash, Dysentery and an epidemic of a RAGING CASE OF THE CLAP!

Compare that to the Tea Party... what have they produced? They cleaned up every place they every went, they shut down the Left's rise to power, reversed their Executive and Legislative Majorities throughout US and State Governance and we've returned the nation toward the recognition and defense of, respect for and the adherence to the principles that define America. First cleaning our own house... of progressive insurgents and we're no where CLOSE to finished there... while simultaneously cleaning out the reprobates of the Left.

Quite a distinction... and you can rest assured: THAT is change you can belieb in... .

 

[jasonnfree]

Point? Oh, you have none.

the point is that rights are given by governments. we have a right to free speech. not everyone country has that. freedom of religion/press/assembly? that's not universal. right to bear arms? nope. equal protection? please.

so what's the problem again?

Nope. The founding Fathers said it, our rights are given by God. Whether or not libtards socialists say otherwise makes no difference.

Only the rights that you like of course.

Remember how outraged republicans were at the occupy wall street protesters for trying to exercise their free speech? Same with the right wing hatred of the protesters during the Vietnam war.

LOL! The Non-Occupying Occupiers were never seen as 'trying to exercise their free speech'. They were seen as, because they WERE: Trying to become the anti-Tea-Party, to cow supporter of the Tea-Party, to do what the Left is designed to do... to destroy property, intimidate toward the acquisition of political power.

"You'll know them by their fruit...". What did the Non-Occupying Occupiers produce? Disorder, Trash, Dysentery and an epidemic of a RAGING CASE OF THE CLAP!

Compare that to the Tea Party... what have they produced? They cleaned up every place they every went, they shut down the Left's rise to power, reversed their Executive and Legislative Majorities throughout US and State Governance and we've returned the nation toward the recognition and defense of, respect for and the adherence to the principles that define America. First cleaning our own house... of progressive insurgents and we're no where CLOSE to finished there... while simultaneously cleaning out the reprobates of the Left.

Quite a distinction... and you can rest assured: THAT is change you can belieb in... .

What are the principles that define America and how should I adhere to them?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

do people in north korea have the right to vote?

Point? Oh, you have none.

the point is that rights are given by governments. we have a right to free speech. not everyone country has that. freedom of religion/press/assembly? that's not universal. right to bear arms? nope. equal protection? please.

so what's the problem again?

Nope. The founding Fathers said it, our rights are given by God. Whether or not libtards socialists say otherwise makes no difference.

they may have believed that (although i find it weird that God would give a right to vote) but they sure didn't codify it.

did god just forget to give rights to other peoples of the world?

The right to vote is not in the Bill of Rights. Voting rights are a result of legislation.

The 'right to vote' is the result of the right to fulfill one's life... a right, like every other right which to be claimed must be recognized in every other individual, and which rests upon the responsibility to not exercise that to the detriment of the means of another to exercise their right(s) and to destroy all threats to the means to exercise one's right.

Therefore, those who use their vote to usurp the rights of others, such as those who vote to confiscate the product of another's labor in order to satisfy one's subjective need... is exercising their right to the detriment of another's means to exercise their rights.

Thus they have, through their failure to bear their responsibilities; FORFEITED THEIR RIGHTS... therefore they are subject to being destroyed.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The next generation might have an entirely different idea of what rights are all about. They are being taught the liberal way, which means students are taught that everything you have, including rights, are merely gifts from government. This has nothing to do with education and everything to do with political ideology being crammed down the throats of our youth.

From the link:

"Rights are special privileges the government gives you."

"Because the government gives us rights, we have a duty to be good citizens."

"Someday, you will be given the right to vote."

All of the above are on worksheets and taught to students.

Whoever wrote this believes that our rights are not inalienable, as it states in the constitution, rather that government "gives" us rights. If government can give you something, it can take it back. It infers that we must be good citizens to keep the rights that government allows us to have.

This is crap and it gives students the impression that we only have rights and freedom because government generously allowed us to. It's backwards. We have rights that government is not allowed to infringe upon and those rights and liberties guaranteed by our constitution are supposed to keep government in check. How many students now believe that government allows those rights as long as you obey them and behave like their definition of a good citizen? Some apparently believe that rights are how government keeps the people in check.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/205408-422-new-ohio-parent-calls-school-districts-horribly-mistaken-government-gives-us-rights-citizenship-handout/

the teaching staff at this school


needs to be removed asap

What's your objection to what the kids are taught? Having to be taxed?

**** you

rights are not privileges the government gives you

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

the point is that rights are given by governments. we have a right to free speech. not everyone country has that. freedom of religion/press/assembly? that's not universal. right to bear arms? nope. equal protection? please.

so what's the problem again?

Nope. The founding Fathers said it, our rights are given by God. Whether or not libtards socialists say otherwise makes no difference.

Only the rights that you like of course.

Remember how outraged republicans were at the occupy wall street protesters for trying to exercise their free speech? Same with the right wing hatred of the protesters during the Vietnam war.

LOL! The Non-Occupying Occupiers were never seen as 'trying to exercise their free speech'. They were seen as, because they WERE: Trying to become the anti-Tea-Party, to cow supporter of the Tea-Party, to do what the Left is designed to do... to destroy property, intimidate toward the acquisition of political power.

"You'll know them by their fruit...". What did the Non-Occupying Occupiers produce? Disorder, Trash, Dysentery and an epidemic of a RAGING CASE OF THE CLAP!

Compare that to the Tea Party... what have they produced? They cleaned up every place they every went, they shut down the Left's rise to power, reversed their Executive and Legislative Majorities throughout US and State Governance and we've returned the nation toward the recognition and defense of, respect for and the adherence to the principles that define America. First cleaning our own house... of progressive insurgents and we're no where CLOSE to finished there... while simultaneously cleaning out the reprobates of the Left.

Quite a distinction... and you can rest assured: THAT is change you can belieb in... .

What are the principles that define America and how should I adhere to them?

You can't be serious?

May I ask what country you were born to and which you are a citizen of?

 

[jasonnfree]

Point? Oh, you have none.

the point is that rights are given by governments. we have a right to free speech. not everyone country has that. freedom of religion/press/assembly? that's not universal. right to bear arms? nope. equal protection? please.

so what's the problem again?

Nope. The founding Fathers said it, our rights are given by God. Whether or not libtards socialists say otherwise makes no difference.

Only the rights that you like of course.

Remember how outraged republicans were at the occupy wall street protesters for trying to exercise their free speech? Same with the right wing hatred of the protesters during the Vietnam war.

LOL! The Non-Occupying Occupiers were never seen as 'trying to exercise their free speech'. They were seen as, because they WERE: Trying to become the anti-Tea-Party, to cow supporter of the Tea-Party, to do what the Left is designed to do... to destroy property, intimidate toward the acquisition of political power.

"You'll know them by their fruit...". What did the Non-Occupying Occupiers produce? Disorder, Trash, Dysentery and an epidemic of a RAGING CASE OF THE CLAP!

Compare that to the Tea Party... what have they produced? They cleaned up every place they every went, they shut down the Left's rise to power, reversed their Executive and Legislative Majorities throughout US and State Governance and we've returned the nation toward the recognition and defense of, respect for and the adherence to the principles that define America. First cleaning our own house... of progressive insurgents and we're no where CLOSE to finished there... while simultaneously cleaning out the reprobates of the Left.

Quite a distinction... and you can rest assured: THAT is change you can belieb in... .

Nope. The founding Fathers said it, our rights are given by God. Whether or not libtards socialists say otherwise makes no difference.

Only the rights that you like of course.

Remember how outraged republicans were at the occupy wall street protesters for trying to exercise their free speech? Same with the right wing hatred of the protesters during the Vietnam war.

LOL! The Non-Occupying Occupiers were never seen as 'trying to exercise their free speech'. They were seen as, because they WERE: Trying to become the anti-Tea-Party, to cow supporter of the Tea-Party, to do what the Left is designed to do... to destroy property, intimidate toward the acquisition of political power.

"You'll know them by their fruit...". What did the Non-Occupying Occupiers produce? Disorder, Trash, Dysentery and an epidemic of a RAGING CASE OF THE CLAP!

Compare that to the Tea Party... what have they produced? They cleaned up every place they every went, they shut down the Left's rise to power, reversed their Executive and Legislative Majorities throughout US and State Governance and we've returned the nation toward the recognition and defense of, respect for and the adherence to the principles that define America. First cleaning our own house... of progressive insurgents and we're no where CLOSE to finished there... while simultaneously cleaning out the reprobates of the Left.

Quite a distinction... and you can rest assured: THAT is change you can belieb in... .

What are the principles that define America and how should I adhere to them?

You can't be serious?

May I ask what country you were born to and which you are a citizen of?

So you can't explain what the principles are that define america, so you change the subject.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

You can't be serious?

May I ask what country you were born to and which you are a citizen of?

So you can't explain what the principles are that define america, so you change the subject.

How is asking you about your national origins changing the subject? The assumption is that you're a US citizen... I've come to find that this is often a bad assumption and that those who present this level of ignorance are Europeans... posing as US Citizens.

It is inexcusable for a natural born US Citizen to not KNOW the principles that define the concept on which the nation rests... while someone from another nation posing as a US Citizen would readily be expected to not understand what they're talking about. Foreign Ideas Hostile to American Principle, being what they are an all.

So... scamp... where ya from and I'm adding to that, how old are you?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Nope. The founding Fathers said it, our rights are given by God. Whether or not libtards socialists say otherwise makes no difference.

Only the rights that you like of course.

Remember how outraged republicans were at the occupy wall street protesters were trying to exercise their free speech? Same with the protests during the Vietnam war. This is why it's laughable, the right wing always accusing the left of being fascists.

The modern republican is an embarrassment.

To you, yes. And that is only because we refuse to kowtow to the liberal agenda.

No it's because you and other rubes are played so easily by your conservative propaganda.

Benghazi, ebola, Obama's birth certificate..... 3 unquestionably debunked and only a couple more to go. And then the republican party will have nothing because they don't concern themselves with issues anymore.

Must I repeat myself?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Nothin' coming to mind?

 

[TheOldSchool]

Only the rights that you like of course.

Remember how outraged republicans were at the occupy wall street protesters were trying to exercise their free speech? Same with the protests during the Vietnam war. This is why it's laughable, the right wing always accusing the left of being fascists.

The modern republican is an embarrassment.

To you, yes. And that is only because we refuse to kowtow to the liberal agenda.

No it's because you and other rubes are played so easily by your conservative propaganda.

Benghazi, ebola, Obama's birth certificate..... 3 unquestionably debunked and only a couple more to go. And then the republican party will have nothing because they don't concern themselves with issues anymore.

Must I repeat myself?

Actually I'd prefer that you and other rubes stop saying anything at all.

 

[jasonnfree]

You can't be serious?

May I ask what country you were born to and which you are a citizen of?

So you can't explain what the principles are that define america, so you change the subject.

How is asking you about your national origins changing the subject? The assumption is that you're a US citizen... I've come to find that this is often a bad assumption and that those who present this level of ignorance are Europeans... posing as US Citizens.

It is inexcusable for a natural born US Citizen to not KNOW the principles that define the concept on which the nation rests... while someone from another nation posing as a US Citizen would readily be expected to not understand what they're talking about. Foreign Ideas Hostile to American Principle, being what they are an all.

So... scamp... where ya from and I'm adding to that, how old are you?

I was born in the USA before WW2 ended, served in the US Navy during the Vietnam war, and I'm waiting for you to explain your belief in what the principles of america are that I should adhere to, and where it's written that I should adhere to them even though you can't explain to me what they are. I'm usually not rude on these forums, but you're basically a mostly incoherent jack ass, just repeating words you heard somewhere.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Nope. The founding Fathers said it, our rights are given by God. Whether or not libtards socialists say otherwise makes no difference.

Only the rights that you like of course.

Remember how outraged republicans were at the occupy wall street protesters were trying to exercise their free speech? Same with the protests during the Vietnam war. This is why it's laughable, the right wing always accusing the left of being fascists.

The modern republican is an embarrassment.

To you, yes. And that is only because we refuse to kowtow to the liberal agenda.

No it's because you and other rubes are played so easily by your conservative propaganda.

Benghazi, ebola, Obama's birth certificate..... 3 unquestionably debunked and only a couple more to go. And then the republican party will have nothing because they don't concern themselves with issues anymore.

ROFLMNAO!

Talk about a shill for idiocy.

'Ebola' has been debunked?

LMAO! Folks, you can NOT make this crap up.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The people who think same sex marriage should be allowed only on a state-by-state basis, are saying in effect that rights are goodies provided by the state. That must lead to massive cognitive dissonance, since many of the same people who believe the former, would deny the latter.

The thing is marriage is not a right. It is sanctioned by the church. For those who are non believers, government made laws that permitted the state to sanction and perform marriage ceremonies. Also, international Maritime Law permits the Captain of a ship to perform marriage ceremonies.
This new thing with gays getting married is a result of social change.
However, due to religious beliefs, many churches will not sanction that which they and their members believe to be sin.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Only the rights that you like of course.

Remember how outraged republicans were at the occupy wall street protesters were trying to exercise their free speech? Same with the protests during the Vietnam war. This is why it's laughable, the right wing always accusing the left of being fascists.

The modern republican is an embarrassment.

To you, yes. And that is only because we refuse to kowtow to the liberal agenda.

No it's because you and other rubes are played so easily by your conservative propaganda.

Benghazi, ebola, Obama's birth certificate..... 3 unquestionably debunked and only a couple more to go. And then the republican party will have nothing because they don't concern themselves with issues anymore.

ROFLMNAO!

Talk about a shill for idiocy.

'Ebola' has been debunked?

LMAO! Folks, you can NOT make this crap up.

The GOP's propaganda mouthpieces stopped reporting on ebola November 4.

When's that U.S. epidemic you all were pissing your panties over going to happen again?

 

[jasonnfree]

Only the rights that you like of course.

Remember how outraged republicans were at the occupy wall street protesters were trying to exercise their free speech? Same with the protests during the Vietnam war. This is why it's laughable, the right wing always accusing the left of being fascists.

The modern republican is an embarrassment.

To you, yes. And that is only because we refuse to kowtow to the liberal agenda.

No it's because you and other rubes are played so easily by your conservative propaganda.

Benghazi, ebola, Obama's birth certificate..... 3 unquestionably debunked and only a couple more to go. And then the republican party will have nothing because they don't concern themselves with issues anymore.

ROFLMNAO!

Talk about a shill for idiocy.

'Ebola' has been debunked?

LMAO! Folks, you can NOT make this crap up.

Roflmnao, the automatic response used by the illiterate and the unintelligent.

 

[Spare_change]

the point is that rights are given by governments. we have a right to free speech. not everyone country has that. freedom of religion/press/assembly? that's not universal. right to bear arms? nope. equal protection? please.

so what's the problem again?

Nope. The founding Fathers said it, our rights are given by God. Whether or not libtards socialists say otherwise makes no difference.

Only the rights that you like of course.

Remember how outraged republicans were at the occupy wall street protesters for trying to exercise their free speech? Same with the right wing hatred of the protesters during the Vietnam war.

LOL! The Non-Occupying Occupiers were never seen as 'trying to exercise their free speech'. They were seen as, because they WERE: Trying to become the anti-Tea-Party, to cow supporter of the Tea-Party, to do what the Left is designed to do... to destroy property, intimidate toward the acquisition of political power.

"You'll know them by their fruit...". What did the Non-Occupying Occupiers produce? Disorder, Trash, Dysentery and an epidemic of a RAGING CASE OF THE CLAP!

Compare that to the Tea Party... what have they produced? They cleaned up every place they every went, they shut down the Left's rise to power, reversed their Executive and Legislative Majorities throughout US and State Governance and we've returned the nation toward the recognition and defense of, respect for and the adherence to the principles that define America. First cleaning our own house... of progressive insurgents and we're no where CLOSE to finished there... while simultaneously cleaning out the reprobates of the Left.

Quite a distinction... and you can rest assured: THAT is change you can belieb in... .

Only the rights that you like of course.

Remember how outraged republicans were at the occupy wall street protesters for trying to exercise their free speech? Same with the right wing hatred of the protesters during the Vietnam war.

LOL! The Non-Occupying Occupiers were never seen as 'trying to exercise their free speech'. They were seen as, because they WERE: Trying to become the anti-Tea-Party, to cow supporter of the Tea-Party, to do what the Left is designed to do... to destroy property, intimidate toward the acquisition of political power.

"You'll know them by their fruit...". What did the Non-Occupying Occupiers produce? Disorder, Trash, Dysentery and an epidemic of a RAGING CASE OF THE CLAP!

Compare that to the Tea Party... what have they produced? They cleaned up every place they every went, they shut down the Left's rise to power, reversed their Executive and Legislative Majorities throughout US and State Governance and we've returned the nation toward the recognition and defense of, respect for and the adherence to the principles that define America. First cleaning our own house... of progressive insurgents and we're no where CLOSE to finished there... while simultaneously cleaning out the reprobates of the Left.

Quite a distinction... and you can rest assured: THAT is change you can belieb in... .

What are the principles that define America and how should I adhere to them?

You can't be serious?

May I ask what country you were born to and which you are a citizen of?

So you can't explain what the principles are that define america, so you change the subject.

I know you didn't ask me, but I'd like to respond anyway ...

What principles define America?

Let's start at the top -

Self Determination.

The whole context of the American experiment is based on the premise that each person should be able to determine his future, and his happiness. Neither the government, nor other citizens, should have ability to interfere with an individual's pursuit of happiness. Onerous, and unnecessary, regulation and control violates that precept.

Self Responsibility

The American experiment is also rooted in the belief that each citizen is not only capable of caring for himself, but has the innate responsibility to do so. Each citizen should be rewarded - good or bad - for the results of his own activity. If he succeeds, he succeeds - but if he fails, he fails. In either case, he must bear the responsibility, and the results, of his own performance. Thomas Jefferson said, "“I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”

Self Control

For the first time in history, the American experiment believed that every citizen is capable of controlling his actions, and as such, should be responsible for the impact of the results of those actions on others. Ronald Reagan said, "“Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.”

Self Government

The American experience demonstrates that the collective wisdom of the people far exceeds the capability of a select few, and that the citizenry must control those who wish to impose upon them. The government of the US must be made to be subservient to the citizenry. Someone once said, "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

The whole American experiment hinges on the belief that people are smart enough, strong enough, and good enough to exercise control over their government and their society.

Once you accept these pillars, you will have context to understand the documents that implement these concepts.

Sorry --- you can go back to the childish arguing and mindless pissing contests that masquerade as discussion.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Your Government can acknowledge your rights they can not give them to you. Should your government not acknowledge your rights you have the right to revolution.

do people in north korea have the right to vote?

Point? Oh, you have none.

the point is that rights are given by governments.

No, the point is that rights are inherent. They are not granted to me by any person or entity, however, there are people or entities that can and do work to impede them.

so in your mind non-citizens have the right to vote in our elections.

Just STOP IT.....There is no "right" to vote. Not in the sense of our natural rights.
The right to vote is NOT in the bill of rights.