Rigged Elections and Voter Fraud - how common is fraud? Not very.

[BuckToothMoron]

We have Donald Trump and his zealots already paving the way for allegations of mass fraud and rigged elections.

Based on what evidence? Almost none.

Everytime Trump drops in the polls, he pulls out the fraud card. It's never his own doing -

• the Media is against him (never mind the fact that they never pressed him very hard on his lies);

• the Clintons are rigging it (never mind the fact that there is no evidence of that happening and rigging a national election is next to impossible in this country).

• Voter fraud - this, based on a handful of allegations, a lack of actual evidence, and over the years precious few convictions.

So somehow all this - not the man's character, not his lack of any sort of filter, not his policies or actions - are losing him the election. It's utter madness and logic


Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth

These warnings are not new and not supported by evidence; they defy numerous studies that have found that voter fraud is minimal.

They also invite a question: If the election is rigged, who is doing the rigging?

Presidential elections are conducted on a state-by-state basis, not nationally. And in most of the states seen as presidential battlegrounds, the chief elections officers are Republicans — most directly accountable to their state's voters.

• In Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio and Utah, the chief elections officer of the state is a Republican, elected by voters of the state. Most are secretary of state; Utah’s lieutenant governor oversees elections there.
• In Florida, the secretary of state is appointed by the state’s Republican governor, Rick Scott — a Trump supporter.
• In North Carolina, the state board of elections has five members, appointed by the governor — currently a Republican. Its current chairman and three out of five members are Republicans.

There are states with some measure of Democratic control over the process.

• In Minnesota and Missouri, the chief elections officer is a Democrat elected by the voters of the state.
• Pennsylvania’s secretary of state was appointed by the state’s Democratic governor.
• New Hampshire’s longtime secretary of state was once a Democrat, but was reelected to his post by the Republican-led state legislature.
• Virginia’s Democratic governor, Terry McAuliffe — a longtime Clinton ally — appointed each member of that state’s three-person elections board.

Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth

...The Washington Post’s “Wonkblog” offers a summary of studies and investigations that have examined the issue of voter fraud. These studies have been conducted by academic researchers, news organizations, and state governments. They all produced similar results: The massive “in person” voter fraud that Republicans claim is helping Democrats steal elections simply does not exist.


Out of all of the research cited in the story, the investigations conducted by various states are the most interesting, because they were conducted by states that are currently controlled by Republicans. For example, the Kansas secretary of state took a look at 84 million votes cast in 22 states, trying to find duplicate registrations. The result? They referred 14 cases to prosecutors. Fourteen. Out of 84 million votes.



North Carolina also participated in the multi-state voter “cross check” program. Their survey of 28 states turned up 765 people with the same names, birth dates, and whose Social Security numbers ended with the same four digits, who voted in North Carolina and another state, according to the Charlotte News and Observer. There is no word on how many, if any, of those people will be prosecuted. Even if all 765 were guilty of voter fraud, it is still a tiny percentage of the nearly seven million votes cast in North Carolina in 2012, and certainly not enough to sway the outcome of an election.


Iowa’s Republican secretary of state Matt Schultz spent two years, and over a quarter of a million taxpayer dollars, to find 117 possibly fraudulent votes, leading to only six convictions. Of those who were convicted, three were felons who believed that their right to vote had been restored.


Even though voter fraud does not exist on the level that Republicans claim that it does, there are instances of possible voter fraud in almost every election. Here are a few examples:

• Last year in Virginia, Adam Ward pleaded guilty to faking hundreds of signatures that were needed for Newt Gingrich to be eligible to appear on the state’s primary election ballot.
• In 2012, Charlie White, Indiana’s Republican secretary of state was convicted of six felony counts of voter fraud.
• Also in 2012, four staffers of Michigan Republican congressman Thaddeus McCotter were found guilty of forging over 1500 signatures in an attempt to qualify the congressman for the ballot.
• Wisconsin Tea Partier and Scott Walker supporter Robert Monroe has been charged with casting multiple ballots in several elections.

NO ONE claims it doesn't occur (despite misleading claims by some) - but it's very uncommon. Why is it uncommon? It's not a very successful way of throwing an election. People will always find examples to throw in as "proof" but so what? A handful out of millions of votes? And that is sufficient excuse to try and undermine our entire electoral integrity with this infectious madness?

Hell, the Democrats could have flown that flag with Gore vs Bush, called for violence and armed poll watchers. But this madness is new and the source is Trump. Everyone is "against him" - everyone is "biased" - the Dems, the media, the Republican establishment. Maybe it's not "Them" - maybe it's Trump himself who causing people to turn away. Ever think of that?

Here are a few examples of KNOWN voter fraud-

Dead People Registering? Examples of Voter Fraud in Key Swing States

In Harrisonburg, Virginia, the FBI and local authorities are investigating after 20 dead people re-registered to vote this year.

Also, a study found more than 1,000 non-citizens in Virginia are registered to vote. Riddell pointed out that the study did not even include Fairfax County and Arlington County, areas of northern Virginia which drive Democrat votes.

In Pennsylvania, Riddell said more than 43,000 voters may be registered twice while the secretary of state there said more than 700 Pennsylvania voters might have cast two ballots in recent elections.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/heres-what-voter-fraud-looks-like-in-23-
states-2/

Report: Suspected Mall Gunman, a Non-Citizen, Voted in 3 Elections in Washington

It does make one wonder how often it happens and is not discovered. I hear some very silly people suggest that there is no evidence that voter fraud has ever altered the outcome of an election and therefore is not a real issue or concern. Any reasonable person would never take such an obviously failed position, because taking to the logical conclusion attempted murder would never be prosecuted. Afterall, if you tried but didn't kill, then no harm, no foul. Right? Voter fraud exist an should carry extreme punishment, not to mention torture in my opinion.

Your first link is a spam factory and the 2nd is not in person fraud.

So your opinion is there is no voter fraud. I'll bet you sung a different tune when GW Bush got the hanging chad vote in Florida.

Nope, didn't say there was none, just rare...so rare you can't find any instances of in person fraud.

In person fraud? What is that? Liberal talk for a guy sneaking into a voting booth and voting. Is that the only fraud, whatever it is, that would concern you? Or did you just make up the term because it's the hardest to find? When you pull your little head out of the sand, you might discover that there are more ways to vote illegally than "in person", especially considering how many people vote by mail now.

Here are some more cases of non-in person voter fraud. So I will just go ahead and assume you will automatically dismiss the source because......oh yea, it doesn't fit your narrative. Libs are so predictable.

Voter Fraud in the US: Documented (Part 1) - Discover the Networks

 

[BuckToothMoron]

We have Donald Trump and his zealots already paving the way for allegations of mass fraud and rigged elections.

Based on what evidence? Almost none.

Everytime Trump drops in the polls, he pulls out the fraud card. It's never his own doing -

• the Media is against him (never mind the fact that they never pressed him very hard on his lies);

• the Clintons are rigging it (never mind the fact that there is no evidence of that happening and rigging a national election is next to impossible in this country).

• Voter fraud - this, based on a handful of allegations, a lack of actual evidence, and over the years precious few convictions.

So somehow all this - not the man's character, not his lack of any sort of filter, not his policies or actions - are losing him the election. It's utter madness and logic


Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth

These warnings are not new and not supported by evidence; they defy numerous studies that have found that voter fraud is minimal.

They also invite a question: If the election is rigged, who is doing the rigging?

Presidential elections are conducted on a state-by-state basis, not nationally. And in most of the states seen as presidential battlegrounds, the chief elections officers are Republicans — most directly accountable to their state's voters.

• In Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio and Utah, the chief elections officer of the state is a Republican, elected by voters of the state. Most are secretary of state; Utah’s lieutenant governor oversees elections there.
• In Florida, the secretary of state is appointed by the state’s Republican governor, Rick Scott — a Trump supporter.
• In North Carolina, the state board of elections has five members, appointed by the governor — currently a Republican. Its current chairman and three out of five members are Republicans.

There are states with some measure of Democratic control over the process.

• In Minnesota and Missouri, the chief elections officer is a Democrat elected by the voters of the state.
• Pennsylvania’s secretary of state was appointed by the state’s Democratic governor.
• New Hampshire’s longtime secretary of state was once a Democrat, but was reelected to his post by the Republican-led state legislature.
• Virginia’s Democratic governor, Terry McAuliffe — a longtime Clinton ally — appointed each member of that state’s three-person elections board.

Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth

...The Washington Post’s “Wonkblog” offers a summary of studies and investigations that have examined the issue of voter fraud. These studies have been conducted by academic researchers, news organizations, and state governments. They all produced similar results: The massive “in person” voter fraud that Republicans claim is helping Democrats steal elections simply does not exist.


Out of all of the research cited in the story, the investigations conducted by various states are the most interesting, because they were conducted by states that are currently controlled by Republicans. For example, the Kansas secretary of state took a look at 84 million votes cast in 22 states, trying to find duplicate registrations. The result? They referred 14 cases to prosecutors. Fourteen. Out of 84 million votes.



North Carolina also participated in the multi-state voter “cross check” program. Their survey of 28 states turned up 765 people with the same names, birth dates, and whose Social Security numbers ended with the same four digits, who voted in North Carolina and another state, according to the Charlotte News and Observer. There is no word on how many, if any, of those people will be prosecuted. Even if all 765 were guilty of voter fraud, it is still a tiny percentage of the nearly seven million votes cast in North Carolina in 2012, and certainly not enough to sway the outcome of an election.


Iowa’s Republican secretary of state Matt Schultz spent two years, and over a quarter of a million taxpayer dollars, to find 117 possibly fraudulent votes, leading to only six convictions. Of those who were convicted, three were felons who believed that their right to vote had been restored.


Even though voter fraud does not exist on the level that Republicans claim that it does, there are instances of possible voter fraud in almost every election. Here are a few examples:

• Last year in Virginia, Adam Ward pleaded guilty to faking hundreds of signatures that were needed for Newt Gingrich to be eligible to appear on the state’s primary election ballot.
• In 2012, Charlie White, Indiana’s Republican secretary of state was convicted of six felony counts of voter fraud.
• Also in 2012, four staffers of Michigan Republican congressman Thaddeus McCotter were found guilty of forging over 1500 signatures in an attempt to qualify the congressman for the ballot.
• Wisconsin Tea Partier and Scott Walker supporter Robert Monroe has been charged with casting multiple ballots in several elections.

NO ONE claims it doesn't occur (despite misleading claims by some) - but it's very uncommon. Why is it uncommon? It's not a very successful way of throwing an election. People will always find examples to throw in as "proof" but so what? A handful out of millions of votes? And that is sufficient excuse to try and undermine our entire electoral integrity with this infectious madness?

Hell, the Democrats could have flown that flag with Gore vs Bush, called for violence and armed poll watchers. But this madness is new and the source is Trump. Everyone is "against him" - everyone is "biased" - the Dems, the media, the Republican establishment. Maybe it's not "Them" - maybe it's Trump himself who causing people to turn away. Ever think of that?

Here are a few examples of KNOWN voter fraud-

Dead People Registering? Examples of Voter Fraud in Key Swing States

In Harrisonburg, Virginia, the FBI and local authorities are investigating after 20 dead people re-registered to vote this year.

Also, a study found more than 1,000 non-citizens in Virginia are registered to vote. Riddell pointed out that the study did not even include Fairfax County and Arlington County, areas of northern Virginia which drive Democrat votes.

In Pennsylvania, Riddell said more than 43,000 voters may be registered twice while the secretary of state there said more than 700 Pennsylvania voters might have cast two ballots in recent elections.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/heres-what-voter-fraud-looks-like-in-23-
states-2/

Report: Suspected Mall Gunman, a Non-Citizen, Voted in 3 Elections in Washington

It does make one wonder how often it happens and is not discovered. I hear some very silly people suggest that there is no evidence that voter fraud has ever altered the outcome of an election and therefore is not a real issue or concern. Any reasonable person would never take such an obviously failed position, because taking to the logical conclusion attempted murder would never be prosecuted. Afterall, if you tried but didn't kill, then no harm, no foul. Right? Voter fraud exist an should carry extreme punishment, not to mention torture in my opinion.

Your first link is a spam factory and the 2nd is not in person fraud.

So your opinion is there is no voter fraud. I'll bet you sung a different tune when GW Bush got the hanging chad vote in Florida.

Nope, didn't say there was none, just rare...so rare you can't find any instances of in person fraud.

Oh right, except my state has prosecuted and convicted two, they were just the ones that were caught.

Hey, stop that OKTexas. You're going to upset his cozy little world where the only issue is finding all the women who claim Trump raped them.

 

[thereisnospoon]

We have Donald Trump and his zealots already paving the way for allegations of mass fraud and rigged elections.

Based on what evidence? Almost none.

Everytime Trump drops in the polls, he pulls out the fraud card. It's never his own doing -

• the Media is against him (never mind the fact that they never pressed him very hard on his lies);

• the Clintons are rigging it (never mind the fact that there is no evidence of that happening and rigging a national election is next to impossible in this country).

• Voter fraud - this, based on a handful of allegations, a lack of actual evidence, and over the years precious few convictions.

So somehow all this - not the man's character, not his lack of any sort of filter, not his policies or actions - are losing him the election. It's utter madness and logic


Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth

These warnings are not new and not supported by evidence; they defy numerous studies that have found that voter fraud is minimal.

They also invite a question: If the election is rigged, who is doing the rigging?

Presidential elections are conducted on a state-by-state basis, not nationally. And in most of the states seen as presidential battlegrounds, the chief elections officers are Republicans — most directly accountable to their state's voters.

• In Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio and Utah, the chief elections officer of the state is a Republican, elected by voters of the state. Most are secretary of state; Utah’s lieutenant governor oversees elections there.
• In Florida, the secretary of state is appointed by the state’s Republican governor, Rick Scott — a Trump supporter.
• In North Carolina, the state board of elections has five members, appointed by the governor — currently a Republican. Its current chairman and three out of five members are Republicans.

There are states with some measure of Democratic control over the process.

• In Minnesota and Missouri, the chief elections officer is a Democrat elected by the voters of the state.
• Pennsylvania’s secretary of state was appointed by the state’s Democratic governor.
• New Hampshire’s longtime secretary of state was once a Democrat, but was reelected to his post by the Republican-led state legislature.
• Virginia’s Democratic governor, Terry McAuliffe — a longtime Clinton ally — appointed each member of that state’s three-person elections board.

Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth

...The Washington Post’s “Wonkblog” offers a summary of studies and investigations that have examined the issue of voter fraud. These studies have been conducted by academic researchers, news organizations, and state governments. They all produced similar results: The massive “in person” voter fraud that Republicans claim is helping Democrats steal elections simply does not exist.


Out of all of the research cited in the story, the investigations conducted by various states are the most interesting, because they were conducted by states that are currently controlled by Republicans. For example, the Kansas secretary of state took a look at 84 million votes cast in 22 states, trying to find duplicate registrations. The result? They referred 14 cases to prosecutors. Fourteen. Out of 84 million votes.



North Carolina also participated in the multi-state voter “cross check” program. Their survey of 28 states turned up 765 people with the same names, birth dates, and whose Social Security numbers ended with the same four digits, who voted in North Carolina and another state, according to the Charlotte News and Observer. There is no word on how many, if any, of those people will be prosecuted. Even if all 765 were guilty of voter fraud, it is still a tiny percentage of the nearly seven million votes cast in North Carolina in 2012, and certainly not enough to sway the outcome of an election.


Iowa’s Republican secretary of state Matt Schultz spent two years, and over a quarter of a million taxpayer dollars, to find 117 possibly fraudulent votes, leading to only six convictions. Of those who were convicted, three were felons who believed that their right to vote had been restored.


Even though voter fraud does not exist on the level that Republicans claim that it does, there are instances of possible voter fraud in almost every election. Here are a few examples:

• Last year in Virginia, Adam Ward pleaded guilty to faking hundreds of signatures that were needed for Newt Gingrich to be eligible to appear on the state’s primary election ballot.
• In 2012, Charlie White, Indiana’s Republican secretary of state was convicted of six felony counts of voter fraud.
• Also in 2012, four staffers of Michigan Republican congressman Thaddeus McCotter were found guilty of forging over 1500 signatures in an attempt to qualify the congressman for the ballot.
• Wisconsin Tea Partier and Scott Walker supporter Robert Monroe has been charged with casting multiple ballots in several elections.

NO ONE claims it doesn't occur (despite misleading claims by some) - but it's very uncommon. Why is it uncommon? It's not a very successful way of throwing an election. People will always find examples to throw in as "proof" but so what? A handful out of millions of votes? And that is sufficient excuse to try and undermine our entire electoral integrity with this infectious madness?

Hell, the Democrats could have flown that flag with Gore vs Bush, called for violence and armed poll watchers. But this madness is new and the source is Trump. Everyone is "against him" - everyone is "biased" - the Dems, the media, the Republican establishment. Maybe it's not "Them" - maybe it's Trump himself who causing people to turn away. Ever think of that?

Voter fraud is rampant. From thugs in Philadelphia blocking access to polling places. To lawsuits filed against the State of Florida to prevent the state from purging voter rolls of deceased individuals and those who'v either left the state or have not voted in 10 or more years. To those who have admitted voting multiple times in the same election.
Democrats are trying to rig the election...Period.

If it's rampant - where is the evidence? Convictions? Arrests?

Stop it. Just stop. I gave three corroborated examples.
You can live in your own reality. Just don't demand others live in it as well

 

[Seawytch]

We have Donald Trump and his zealots already paving the way for allegations of mass fraud and rigged elections.

Based on what evidence? Almost none.

Everytime Trump drops in the polls, he pulls out the fraud card. It's never his own doing -

• the Media is against him (never mind the fact that they never pressed him very hard on his lies);

• the Clintons are rigging it (never mind the fact that there is no evidence of that happening and rigging a national election is next to impossible in this country).

• Voter fraud - this, based on a handful of allegations, a lack of actual evidence, and over the years precious few convictions.

So somehow all this - not the man's character, not his lack of any sort of filter, not his policies or actions - are losing him the election. It's utter madness and logic


Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth

These warnings are not new and not supported by evidence; they defy numerous studies that have found that voter fraud is minimal.

They also invite a question: If the election is rigged, who is doing the rigging?

Presidential elections are conducted on a state-by-state basis, not nationally. And in most of the states seen as presidential battlegrounds, the chief elections officers are Republicans — most directly accountable to their state's voters.

• In Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio and Utah, the chief elections officer of the state is a Republican, elected by voters of the state. Most are secretary of state; Utah’s lieutenant governor oversees elections there.
• In Florida, the secretary of state is appointed by the state’s Republican governor, Rick Scott — a Trump supporter.
• In North Carolina, the state board of elections has five members, appointed by the governor — currently a Republican. Its current chairman and three out of five members are Republicans.

There are states with some measure of Democratic control over the process.

• In Minnesota and Missouri, the chief elections officer is a Democrat elected by the voters of the state.
• Pennsylvania’s secretary of state was appointed by the state’s Democratic governor.
• New Hampshire’s longtime secretary of state was once a Democrat, but was reelected to his post by the Republican-led state legislature.
• Virginia’s Democratic governor, Terry McAuliffe — a longtime Clinton ally — appointed each member of that state’s three-person elections board.

Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth

...The Washington Post’s “Wonkblog” offers a summary of studies and investigations that have examined the issue of voter fraud. These studies have been conducted by academic researchers, news organizations, and state governments. They all produced similar results: The massive “in person” voter fraud that Republicans claim is helping Democrats steal elections simply does not exist.


Out of all of the research cited in the story, the investigations conducted by various states are the most interesting, because they were conducted by states that are currently controlled by Republicans. For example, the Kansas secretary of state took a look at 84 million votes cast in 22 states, trying to find duplicate registrations. The result? They referred 14 cases to prosecutors. Fourteen. Out of 84 million votes.



North Carolina also participated in the multi-state voter “cross check” program. Their survey of 28 states turned up 765 people with the same names, birth dates, and whose Social Security numbers ended with the same four digits, who voted in North Carolina and another state, according to the Charlotte News and Observer. There is no word on how many, if any, of those people will be prosecuted. Even if all 765 were guilty of voter fraud, it is still a tiny percentage of the nearly seven million votes cast in North Carolina in 2012, and certainly not enough to sway the outcome of an election.


Iowa’s Republican secretary of state Matt Schultz spent two years, and over a quarter of a million taxpayer dollars, to find 117 possibly fraudulent votes, leading to only six convictions. Of those who were convicted, three were felons who believed that their right to vote had been restored.


Even though voter fraud does not exist on the level that Republicans claim that it does, there are instances of possible voter fraud in almost every election. Here are a few examples:

• Last year in Virginia, Adam Ward pleaded guilty to faking hundreds of signatures that were needed for Newt Gingrich to be eligible to appear on the state’s primary election ballot.
• In 2012, Charlie White, Indiana’s Republican secretary of state was convicted of six felony counts of voter fraud.
• Also in 2012, four staffers of Michigan Republican congressman Thaddeus McCotter were found guilty of forging over 1500 signatures in an attempt to qualify the congressman for the ballot.
• Wisconsin Tea Partier and Scott Walker supporter Robert Monroe has been charged with casting multiple ballots in several elections.

NO ONE claims it doesn't occur (despite misleading claims by some) - but it's very uncommon. Why is it uncommon? It's not a very successful way of throwing an election. People will always find examples to throw in as "proof" but so what? A handful out of millions of votes? And that is sufficient excuse to try and undermine our entire electoral integrity with this infectious madness?

Hell, the Democrats could have flown that flag with Gore vs Bush, called for violence and armed poll watchers. But this madness is new and the source is Trump. Everyone is "against him" - everyone is "biased" - the Dems, the media, the Republican establishment. Maybe it's not "Them" - maybe it's Trump himself who causing people to turn away. Ever think of that?

Here are a few examples of KNOWN voter fraud-

Dead People Registering? Examples of Voter Fraud in Key Swing States

In Harrisonburg, Virginia, the FBI and local authorities are investigating after 20 dead people re-registered to vote this year.

Also, a study found more than 1,000 non-citizens in Virginia are registered to vote. Riddell pointed out that the study did not even include Fairfax County and Arlington County, areas of northern Virginia which drive Democrat votes.

In Pennsylvania, Riddell said more than 43,000 voters may be registered twice while the secretary of state there said more than 700 Pennsylvania voters might have cast two ballots in recent elections.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/heres-what-voter-fraud-looks-like-in-23-
states-2/

Report: Suspected Mall Gunman, a Non-Citizen, Voted in 3 Elections in Washington

It does make one wonder how often it happens and is not discovered. I hear some very silly people suggest that there is no evidence that voter fraud has ever altered the outcome of an election and therefore is not a real issue or concern. Any reasonable person would never take such an obviously failed position, because taking to the logical conclusion attempted murder would never be prosecuted. Afterall, if you tried but didn't kill, then no harm, no foul. Right? Voter fraud exist an should carry extreme punishment, not to mention torture in my opinion.

Your first link is a spam factory and the 2nd is not in person fraud.

So your opinion is there is no voter fraud. I'll bet you sung a different tune when GW Bush got the hanging chad vote in Florida.

Nope, didn't say there was none, just rare...so rare you can't find any instances of in person fraud.

Oh right, except my state has prosecuted and convicted two, they were just the ones that were caught.

So link to these two convictions of in person voting fraud.

 

[Seawytch]

Question?

Are precinct voters ever audited?

They are in CA. Post election audit requirements vary from state to state. Check your local listings...then contact your legislators.

 

[Seawytch]

The NVRA already has provisions for that. If the ID doesn't clear, then the voter does have to show ID at the polls.

The National Voter Registration Act Of 1993 (NVRA) | CRT | Department of Justice

Yeah, the States have to take the persons word they're eligible. The EAC has only provided 3 exceptions in Jan 2016.

In what regard, Charlie? I just said that they provide ID and that ID has to clear through a check of SS and/or DMV. Here in CA a voter registers, provides their SSN or DL. If they don't provide it or a check of their name, SSN, DL and DOB doesn't clear, they are flagged to show ID the first time they vote in a Federal Election (this is all IAW the NVRA). CA allows you to show one of 30 forms of ID, not a just a state or Federal government issued photo ID.

Isn't Charlie a tuna? Also have you checked the instructions for people who claim not to have an ID?

https://www.eac.gov/assets/1/Documents/Federal Voter Registration_6-25-14_ENG.pdf

Yes, and? Read the NVRA. Voters who don't provide ID at the time of registration are asked to show ID when they vote.

Funny, in my link, the instructions say if you don't have ID you will be given a unique voter identification number, the is no mention of requiring ID to vote.

And I told you those requirements are in the NVRA. The form you linked to is a NATIONAL form. ID requirements vary from state to state.

Do I need to show proof of identification when I vote if I registered using the National Form?

If you are voting for the first time in your state and are registering by mail, Federal law may require you to show proof of identification the first time you vote. This proof of identification includes the following (or if voting by mail, a COPY of the following):

• A current and valid photo identification; OR
  
  
• A current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck or government document that shows your name and address.
  

Federal law does not require you to show proof of identification at the polling place or when voting by mail if (1) you provided COPIES of the above with your National Mail Voter Registration Form; (2) your voter registration form has been verified by an election official; or (3) you are entitled by federal law to vote by absentee ballot. Please note that individual states may have additional voter identification requirements.

 

[Seawytch]

We have Donald Trump and his zealots already paving the way for allegations of mass fraud and rigged elections.

Based on what evidence? Almost none.

Everytime Trump drops in the polls, he pulls out the fraud card. It's never his own doing -

• the Media is against him (never mind the fact that they never pressed him very hard on his lies);

• the Clintons are rigging it (never mind the fact that there is no evidence of that happening and rigging a national election is next to impossible in this country).

• Voter fraud - this, based on a handful of allegations, a lack of actual evidence, and over the years precious few convictions.

So somehow all this - not the man's character, not his lack of any sort of filter, not his policies or actions - are losing him the election. It's utter madness and logic


Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth

These warnings are not new and not supported by evidence; they defy numerous studies that have found that voter fraud is minimal.

They also invite a question: If the election is rigged, who is doing the rigging?

Presidential elections are conducted on a state-by-state basis, not nationally. And in most of the states seen as presidential battlegrounds, the chief elections officers are Republicans — most directly accountable to their state's voters.

• In Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio and Utah, the chief elections officer of the state is a Republican, elected by voters of the state. Most are secretary of state; Utah’s lieutenant governor oversees elections there.
• In Florida, the secretary of state is appointed by the state’s Republican governor, Rick Scott — a Trump supporter.
• In North Carolina, the state board of elections has five members, appointed by the governor — currently a Republican. Its current chairman and three out of five members are Republicans.

There are states with some measure of Democratic control over the process.

• In Minnesota and Missouri, the chief elections officer is a Democrat elected by the voters of the state.
• Pennsylvania’s secretary of state was appointed by the state’s Democratic governor.
• New Hampshire’s longtime secretary of state was once a Democrat, but was reelected to his post by the Republican-led state legislature.
• Virginia’s Democratic governor, Terry McAuliffe — a longtime Clinton ally — appointed each member of that state’s three-person elections board.

Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth

...The Washington Post’s “Wonkblog” offers a summary of studies and investigations that have examined the issue of voter fraud. These studies have been conducted by academic researchers, news organizations, and state governments. They all produced similar results: The massive “in person” voter fraud that Republicans claim is helping Democrats steal elections simply does not exist.


Out of all of the research cited in the story, the investigations conducted by various states are the most interesting, because they were conducted by states that are currently controlled by Republicans. For example, the Kansas secretary of state took a look at 84 million votes cast in 22 states, trying to find duplicate registrations. The result? They referred 14 cases to prosecutors. Fourteen. Out of 84 million votes.



North Carolina also participated in the multi-state voter “cross check” program. Their survey of 28 states turned up 765 people with the same names, birth dates, and whose Social Security numbers ended with the same four digits, who voted in North Carolina and another state, according to the Charlotte News and Observer. There is no word on how many, if any, of those people will be prosecuted. Even if all 765 were guilty of voter fraud, it is still a tiny percentage of the nearly seven million votes cast in North Carolina in 2012, and certainly not enough to sway the outcome of an election.


Iowa’s Republican secretary of state Matt Schultz spent two years, and over a quarter of a million taxpayer dollars, to find 117 possibly fraudulent votes, leading to only six convictions. Of those who were convicted, three were felons who believed that their right to vote had been restored.


Even though voter fraud does not exist on the level that Republicans claim that it does, there are instances of possible voter fraud in almost every election. Here are a few examples:

• Last year in Virginia, Adam Ward pleaded guilty to faking hundreds of signatures that were needed for Newt Gingrich to be eligible to appear on the state’s primary election ballot.
• In 2012, Charlie White, Indiana’s Republican secretary of state was convicted of six felony counts of voter fraud.
• Also in 2012, four staffers of Michigan Republican congressman Thaddeus McCotter were found guilty of forging over 1500 signatures in an attempt to qualify the congressman for the ballot.
• Wisconsin Tea Partier and Scott Walker supporter Robert Monroe has been charged with casting multiple ballots in several elections.

NO ONE claims it doesn't occur (despite misleading claims by some) - but it's very uncommon. Why is it uncommon? It's not a very successful way of throwing an election. People will always find examples to throw in as "proof" but so what? A handful out of millions of votes? And that is sufficient excuse to try and undermine our entire electoral integrity with this infectious madness?

Hell, the Democrats could have flown that flag with Gore vs Bush, called for violence and armed poll watchers. But this madness is new and the source is Trump. Everyone is "against him" - everyone is "biased" - the Dems, the media, the Republican establishment. Maybe it's not "Them" - maybe it's Trump himself who causing people to turn away. Ever think of that?

Here are a few examples of KNOWN voter fraud-

Dead People Registering? Examples of Voter Fraud in Key Swing States

In Harrisonburg, Virginia, the FBI and local authorities are investigating after 20 dead people re-registered to vote this year.

Also, a study found more than 1,000 non-citizens in Virginia are registered to vote. Riddell pointed out that the study did not even include Fairfax County and Arlington County, areas of northern Virginia which drive Democrat votes.

In Pennsylvania, Riddell said more than 43,000 voters may be registered twice while the secretary of state there said more than 700 Pennsylvania voters might have cast two ballots in recent elections.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/heres-what-voter-fraud-looks-like-in-23-
states-2/

Report: Suspected Mall Gunman, a Non-Citizen, Voted in 3 Elections in Washington

It does make one wonder how often it happens and is not discovered. I hear some very silly people suggest that there is no evidence that voter fraud has ever altered the outcome of an election and therefore is not a real issue or concern. Any reasonable person would never take such an obviously failed position, because taking to the logical conclusion attempted murder would never be prosecuted. Afterall, if you tried but didn't kill, then no harm, no foul. Right? Voter fraud exist an should carry extreme punishment, not to mention torture in my opinion.

Your first link is a spam factory and the 2nd is not in person fraud.

So your opinion is there is no voter fraud. I'll bet you sung a different tune when GW Bush got the hanging chad vote in Florida.

Nope, didn't say there was none, just rare...so rare you can't find any instances of in person fraud.

In person fraud? What is that? Liberal talk for a guy sneaking into a voting booth and voting. Is that the only fraud, whatever it is, that would concern you? Or did you just make up the term because it's the hardest to find? When you pull your little head out of the sand, you might discover that there are more ways to vote illegally than "in person", especially considering how many people vote by mail now.

Here are some more cases of non-in person voter fraud. So I will just go ahead and assume you will automatically dismiss the source because......oh yea, it doesn't fit your narrative. Libs are so predictable.

Voter Fraud in the US: Documented (Part 1) - Discover the Networks

Since I'm sure you don't listen to NPR and missed this:

Rigging An Election? It's Not So Easy, Voting Law Expert Says

 

[OKTexas]

Yeah, the States have to take the persons word they're eligible. The EAC has only provided 3 exceptions in Jan 2016.

In what regard, Charlie? I just said that they provide ID and that ID has to clear through a check of SS and/or DMV. Here in CA a voter registers, provides their SSN or DL. If they don't provide it or a check of their name, SSN, DL and DOB doesn't clear, they are flagged to show ID the first time they vote in a Federal Election (this is all IAW the NVRA). CA allows you to show one of 30 forms of ID, not a just a state or Federal government issued photo ID.

Isn't Charlie a tuna? Also have you checked the instructions for people who claim not to have an ID?

https://www.eac.gov/assets/1/Documents/Federal Voter Registration_6-25-14_ENG.pdf

Yes, and? Read the NVRA. Voters who don't provide ID at the time of registration are asked to show ID when they vote.

Funny, in my link, the instructions say if you don't have ID you will be given a unique voter identification number, the is no mention of requiring ID to vote.

And I told you those requirements are in the NVRA. The form you linked to is a NATIONAL form. ID requirements vary from state to state.

Do I need to show proof of identification when I vote if I registered using the National Form?

If you are voting for the first time in your state and are registering by mail, Federal law may require you to show proof of identification the first time you vote. This proof of identification includes the following (or if voting by mail, a COPY of the following):

• A current and valid photo identification; OR
  
  
• A current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck or government document that shows your name and address.

Federal law does not require you to show proof of identification at the polling place or when voting by mail if (1) you provided COPIES of the above with your National Mail Voter Registration Form; (2) your voter registration form has been verified by an election official; or (3) you are entitled by federal law to vote by absentee ballot. Please note that individual states may have additional voter identification requirements.

It says federal law MAY require, and a utility bill as identification, REALLY? Virtually every illegal in the country pays utility bills of some nature, that's not proof of citizenship.

 

[Seawytch]

In what regard, Charlie? I just said that they provide ID and that ID has to clear through a check of SS and/or DMV. Here in CA a voter registers, provides their SSN or DL. If they don't provide it or a check of their name, SSN, DL and DOB doesn't clear, they are flagged to show ID the first time they vote in a Federal Election (this is all IAW the NVRA). CA allows you to show one of 30 forms of ID, not a just a state or Federal government issued photo ID.

Isn't Charlie a tuna? Also have you checked the instructions for people who claim not to have an ID?

https://www.eac.gov/assets/1/Documents/Federal Voter Registration_6-25-14_ENG.pdf

Yes, and? Read the NVRA. Voters who don't provide ID at the time of registration are asked to show ID when they vote.

Funny, in my link, the instructions say if you don't have ID you will be given a unique voter identification number, the is no mention of requiring ID to vote.

And I told you those requirements are in the NVRA. The form you linked to is a NATIONAL form. ID requirements vary from state to state.

Do I need to show proof of identification when I vote if I registered using the National Form?

If you are voting for the first time in your state and are registering by mail, Federal law may require you to show proof of identification the first time you vote. This proof of identification includes the following (or if voting by mail, a COPY of the following):

• A current and valid photo identification; OR
  
  
• A current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck or government document that shows your name and address.

Federal law does not require you to show proof of identification at the polling place or when voting by mail if (1) you provided COPIES of the above with your National Mail Voter Registration Form; (2) your voter registration form has been verified by an election official; or (3) you are entitled by federal law to vote by absentee ballot. Please note that individual states may have additional voter identification requirements.

It says federal law MAY require, and a utility bill as identification, REALLY? Virtually every illegal in the country pays utility bills of some nature, that's not proof of citizenship.

No, they aren't usually on the bills. In order to get a public utility you have to go through a credit check which requires providing a social security number and having your credit checked. People here illegally aren't going around establishing credit.

People who are here illegally are not registering to vote on purpose. They do, on occasion, register accidentally. In my ten years as a registrar I've had to send two letters to Immigration in San Francisco for two individual registered to vote in my county who were trying to get their citizenship. The first man got registered through no fault of his own. He actually said "no" to the question "are you a citizen" but it was missed by the registration staff. He never voted in the 6 years he was registered to vote. The 2nd young man came here as a child and registered during a drive in his High School. He also never voted.

Let me ask you a question. How many people are you willing to disenfranchise to stop one person from casting a vote they are not entitled to cast? We know that restrictive voter ID laws disenfranchise minorities, the poor and the elderly. Anywhere from 1% to 12% of voters don't have the type of ID required to vote in some states and yet voter fraud is closer to 0% than 1%. Why are you willing to disenfranchise thousands of voters in order to stop one case of fraud? (and not even one case, more like one quarter of one case)

 

[Claudette]

Was just watching FOX in the break room and apparently some folks voting a straight Rep ticket in Texas had Hillary's name appear at the top of the ballet.

No voter fraud??? Wonder how that happened. LOL

 

[Seawytch]

Was just watching FOX in the break room and apparently some folks voting a straight Rep ticket in Texas had Hillary's name appear at the top of the ballet.

No cheating huh??? Wonder how that happened. LOL

You saw it on Fox? Got a link?

Texas Vote Switching

MOSTLY FALSE

 

[Claudette]

Was just watching FOX in the break room and apparently some folks voting a straight Rep ticket in Texas had Hillary's name appear at the top of the ballet.

No cheating huh??? Wonder how that happened. LOL

You saw it on Fox? Got a link?

Texas Vote Switching

MOSTLY FALSE

Nope. It was just on though on FOX and friends.

 

[Seawytch]

Was just watching FOX in the break room and apparently some folks voting a straight Rep ticket in Texas had Hillary's name appear at the top of the ballet.

No cheating huh??? Wonder how that happened. LOL

You saw it on Fox? Got a link?

Texas Vote Switching

MOSTLY FALSE

Nope. It was just on though on FOX and friends.

Ah, on their opinion show not the news. Shocking.

 

[OKTexas]

Isn't Charlie a tuna? Also have you checked the instructions for people who claim not to have an ID?

https://www.eac.gov/assets/1/Documents/Federal Voter Registration_6-25-14_ENG.pdf

Yes, and? Read the NVRA. Voters who don't provide ID at the time of registration are asked to show ID when they vote.

Funny, in my link, the instructions say if you don't have ID you will be given a unique voter identification number, the is no mention of requiring ID to vote.

And I told you those requirements are in the NVRA. The form you linked to is a NATIONAL form. ID requirements vary from state to state.

Do I need to show proof of identification when I vote if I registered using the National Form?

If you are voting for the first time in your state and are registering by mail, Federal law may require you to show proof of identification the first time you vote. This proof of identification includes the following (or if voting by mail, a COPY of the following):

• A current and valid photo identification; OR
  
  
• A current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck or government document that shows your name and address.

Federal law does not require you to show proof of identification at the polling place or when voting by mail if (1) you provided COPIES of the above with your National Mail Voter Registration Form; (2) your voter registration form has been verified by an election official; or (3) you are entitled by federal law to vote by absentee ballot. Please note that individual states may have additional voter identification requirements.

It says federal law MAY require, and a utility bill as identification, REALLY? Virtually every illegal in the country pays utility bills of some nature, that's not proof of citizenship.

No, they aren't usually on the bills. In order to get a public utility you have to go through a credit check which requires providing a social security number and having your credit checked. People here illegally aren't going around establishing credit.

People who are here illegally are not registering to vote on purpose. They do, on occasion, register accidentally. In my ten years as a registrar I've had to send two letters to Immigration in San Francisco for two individual registered to vote in my county who were trying to get their citizenship. The first man got registered through no fault of his own. He actually said "no" to the question "are you a citizen" but it was missed by the registration staff. He never voted in the 6 years he was registered to vote. The 2nd young man came here as a child and registered during a drive in his High School. He also never voted.

Let me ask you a question. How many people are you willing to disenfranchise to stop one person from casting a vote they are not entitled to cast? We know that restrictive voter ID laws disenfranchise minorities, the poor and the elderly. Anywhere from 1% to 12% of voters don't have the type of ID required to vote in some states and yet voter fraud is closer to 0% than 1%. Why are you willing to disenfranchise thousands of voters in order to stop one case of fraud? (and not even one case, more like one quarter of one case)

You might have a point if you weren't so wrong. I recently rented a house for my mother-in-law. We set up the city utilities and there was no SSN required, not credit check, all new applicants had to pay the same $350.00 deposit. I know for a fact there are illegals living in the city and paying the same water bills. And for about the 4th time in the thread I'll point to the WI mall shooter as the latest example, non-citizen, registered and voted in 3 elections, and wasn't caught till he committed another crime. How many people did he disenfranchise? Can you say 1 for every race he voted in.

 

[Claudette]

Was just watching FOX in the break room and apparently some folks voting a straight Rep ticket in Texas had Hillary's name appear at the top of the ballet.

No cheating huh??? Wonder how that happened. LOL

You saw it on Fox? Got a link?

Texas Vote Switching

MOSTLY FALSE

Nope. It was just on though on FOX and friends.

Ah, on their opinion show not the news. Shocking.

Oh so because you figure its opinion it didn't happen??

Color me shocked.
Texas Rigged? Reports Of Voting Machines Switching Votes To Hillary In Texas | Zero Hedge

Oh and make sure you read what Lisa wrote. She and her husband both voted early. Her write up is at the bottom. Doubt she's an opinion piece. LOL

 

[Coyote]

Was just watching FOX in the break room and apparently some folks voting a straight Rep ticket in Texas had Hillary's name appear at the top of the ballet.

No voter fraud??? Wonder how that happened. LOL

Who said there was no voter fraud? You guys seem to have some reading comprehension problems.

 

[williepete]

Was just watching FOX in the break room and apparently some folks voting a straight Rep ticket in Texas had Hillary's name appear at the top of the ballet.

No voter fraud??? Wonder how that happened. LOL

Just got back from early voting here in Texas. While in line, a poll volunteer came out and addressed us. He warned us to carefully check our ballot summary before casting our votes. If an "irregularity" is found, he told us to flag down a volunteer and they can fix it but once cast, they can do nothing. He was very earnest in his tone. (Bordering on angry). This warning was repeated over and over to the people in line and the people in the voting area.

I've voted here for 19 years and they've never warned us like this before.

Texas Rigged? Reports Of Voting Machines Switching Votes To Hillary In Texas | Zero Hedge

 

[Claudette]

Was just watching FOX in the break room and apparently some folks voting a straight Rep ticket in Texas had Hillary's name appear at the top of the ballet.

No voter fraud??? Wonder how that happened. LOL

Just got back from early voting here in Texas. While in line, a poll volunteer came out and addressed us. He warned us to carefully check our ballot summary before casting our votes. If an "irregularity" is found, he told us to flag down a volunteer and they can fix it but once cast, they can do nothing. He was very earnest in his tone. (Bordering on angry). This warning was repeated over and over to the people in line and the people in the voting area.

I've voted here for 19 years and they've never warned us like this before.

Texas Rigged? Reports Of Voting Machines Switching Votes To Hillary In Texas | Zero Hedge

Hell. Everyone should ask for a paper ballot and a number two pencil. Its what we use down here in Florida.

 

[Seawytch]

Yes, and? Read the NVRA. Voters who don't provide ID at the time of registration are asked to show ID when they vote.

Funny, in my link, the instructions say if you don't have ID you will be given a unique voter identification number, the is no mention of requiring ID to vote.

And I told you those requirements are in the NVRA. The form you linked to is a NATIONAL form. ID requirements vary from state to state.

Do I need to show proof of identification when I vote if I registered using the National Form?

If you are voting for the first time in your state and are registering by mail, Federal law may require you to show proof of identification the first time you vote. This proof of identification includes the following (or if voting by mail, a COPY of the following):

• A current and valid photo identification; OR
  
  
• A current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck or government document that shows your name and address.

Federal law does not require you to show proof of identification at the polling place or when voting by mail if (1) you provided COPIES of the above with your National Mail Voter Registration Form; (2) your voter registration form has been verified by an election official; or (3) you are entitled by federal law to vote by absentee ballot. Please note that individual states may have additional voter identification requirements.

It says federal law MAY require, and a utility bill as identification, REALLY? Virtually every illegal in the country pays utility bills of some nature, that's not proof of citizenship.

No, they aren't usually on the bills. In order to get a public utility you have to go through a credit check which requires providing a social security number and having your credit checked. People here illegally aren't going around establishing credit.

People who are here illegally are not registering to vote on purpose. They do, on occasion, register accidentally. In my ten years as a registrar I've had to send two letters to Immigration in San Francisco for two individual registered to vote in my county who were trying to get their citizenship. The first man got registered through no fault of his own. He actually said "no" to the question "are you a citizen" but it was missed by the registration staff. He never voted in the 6 years he was registered to vote. The 2nd young man came here as a child and registered during a drive in his High School. He also never voted.

Let me ask you a question. How many people are you willing to disenfranchise to stop one person from casting a vote they are not entitled to cast? We know that restrictive voter ID laws disenfranchise minorities, the poor and the elderly. Anywhere from 1% to 12% of voters don't have the type of ID required to vote in some states and yet voter fraud is closer to 0% than 1%. Why are you willing to disenfranchise thousands of voters in order to stop one case of fraud? (and not even one case, more like one quarter of one case)

You might have a point if you weren't so wrong. I recently rented a house for my mother-in-law. We set up the city utilities and there was no SSN required, not credit check, all new applicants had to pay the same $350.00 deposit. I know for a fact there are illegals living in the city and paying the same water bills. And for about the 4th time in the thread I'll point to the WI mall shooter as the latest example, non-citizen, registered and voted in 3 elections, and wasn't caught till he committed another crime. How many people did he disenfranchise? Can you say 1 for every race he voted in.

The WI shooter was naturalized and voted out of stupidity not malicious forethought.

3 votes is not disenfranchising 1-12% of voters. 3 votes is less than 1%. When you have fewer than 1% of the electorate that doesn't the necessary ID, then put your ridiculous restrictions in place that do nothing to stop fraud.

 

[Seawytch]

Was just watching FOX in the break room and apparently some folks voting a straight Rep ticket in Texas had Hillary's name appear at the top of the ballet.

No voter fraud??? Wonder how that happened. LOL

Just got back from early voting here in Texas. While in line, a poll volunteer came out and addressed us. He warned us to carefully check our ballot summary before casting our votes. If an "irregularity" is found, he told us to flag down a volunteer and they can fix it but once cast, they can do nothing. He was very earnest in his tone. (Bordering on angry). This warning was repeated over and over to the people in line and the people in the voting area.

I've voted here for 19 years and they've never warned us like this before.

Texas Rigged? Reports Of Voting Machines Switching Votes To Hillary In Texas | Zero Hedge

Hell. Everyone should ask for a paper ballot and a number two pencil. Its what we use down here in Florida.

You think people count those?