CDZ RIGGED ELECTION: Let's see if we can imagine a new way to gather and count votes

[JoeB131]

To get rid of the Electoral College would require a Constitutional Amendment which is impossible to get passed in today political climate, and it is not the real reason why our system is failing…

Actually, it's EXACTLY the reason why it's failing. Trump strategy all along was not to win a majority, but to use the EC to manipulate the vote. And when he got beat at his own game, the GOP response was "Let's bring back Jim Crow!!!"

 

[jc456]

One very easy step state legislatures can do to facilitate election results is permit counting of absentee and mail -in votes prior to election day. This would go along way in preventing inane conspiracy theories about a flood of votes coming in on Election Day as these votes are being counted. Pennsylvania, for instance, only allowed counting of these votes on Election Day, which is what gave conspiracy theorists ammunition to contest these votes later.

oh no, it was that they extended the election day to three days and allowed ballots outside agreed upon post markings. That's what caused the concern. Nothing else. See, one doesn't just stop counting because. And that indeed happened in multiple counties. Why? We ask why and get tagged. So be it, it still isn't legal without some sort of arrangement to proceed which there wasn't. Locked out conservative in fact. And, it's funny it was only in demofk counties.

 

[jc456]

To get rid of the Electoral College would require a Constitutional Amendment which is impossible to get passed in today political climate, and it is not the real reason why our system is failing…

Actually, it's EXACTLY the reason why it's failing. Trump strategy all along was not to win a majority, but to use the EC to manipulate the vote. And when he got beat at his own game, the GOP response was "Let's bring back Jim Crow!!!"

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oh my. you will never understand the EC. You will always remain confused about outcomes that result in lower voting tallies by winners.

 

[James112]

Here's my method. For a presidential or run off election with a few candidates.

Voting is something like a sports game- tally points to determine a winner. When you go to a sports game, the score is tallied in real time and shown on large displays, that everyone can see. Also, the whole game is played in the open, for cameras to record. Not one moment is played off the field, or off camera. No one disputes the score at the end. The score was tallied as points were made.

Currently we use computers for voting and discourage cameras. This is backwards! My method the voter does not use a computer. And everything is recorded on camera!

You must show up at your precinct and drop a ballot into a clear box. A ballot can be any plain piece of paper. Just write your candidate's name or initial on any blank sheet of paper. You don't have to sign it. However you can write a random phrase or number, only you know, on it. Fold it once.

When you approach the ballot box you will place your voter registration card on a card holder on top of the box, so the camera can see it. The camera records you and your ID card, as you drop your ballot into the box.

Ballots are removed from the box one at a time and tallied at a counting table. The tally person holds up each ballot to the camera. Then presses the add +1 on an adding machine (or pc with a calculator app) for the candidate on the ballot. Like at a sports game, the tally is always on display on the room display screen. And each ballot held up and counted is recorded on live camera.

Anyone present can also video record/stream- the public, the press, party observers. These cameras can be used as backup/verification cameras.

When the last ballot is counted, the final tally is already on screen for all to see. The result and video is uploaded to the county and state web site. Anyone can watch video playback of any precinct. This way, anyone can verify that all the ballots were counted accurately at any precinct!

Not only that you can verify if YOUR ballot was counted. Watch the playback for when they hold up your ballot to the camera. You'll know because you wrote a random phrase or number on it! Only you will know it's your ballot. Proof it was counted. You saw your ballot held up, and the tally person pressed add +1 for your candidate. And the display screen showed it.

This is the only method that allows ANYONE to verify the counting at ANY precinct. Absentee voting will have to qualify for good reason and send in their ballot to the precinct, and a poll worker will stand in line and drop the ballot for an absentee- displaying the absentee's reg ID card and photo to the camera at the ballot box.

Video is proof! Video is allowed in court! My method records everything at the precinct! Dropping the ballot. Who dropped it. And counting every ballot one at a time.

Questions? Try and pick it apart. You can't.

 

[candycorn]

Here's my method. For a presidential or run off election with a few candidates.

Voting is something like a sports game- tally points to determine a winner. When you go to a sports game, the score is tallied in real time and shown on large displays, that everyone can see. Also, the whole game is played in the open, for cameras to record. Not one moment is played off the field, or off camera. No one disputes the score at the end. The score was tallied as points were made.

Currently we use computers for voting and discourage cameras. This is backwards! My method the voter does not use a computer. And everything is recorded on camera!

You must show up at your precinct and drop a ballot into a clear box. A ballot can be any plain piece of paper. Just write your candidate's name or initial on any blank sheet of paper. You don't have to sign it. However you can write a random phrase or number, only you know, on it. Fold it once.

When you approach the ballot box you will place your voter registration card on a card holder on top of the box, so the camera can see it. The camera records you and your ID card, as you drop your ballot into the box.

Ballots are removed from the box one at a time and tallied at a counting table. The tally person holds up each ballot to the camera. Then presses the add +1 on an adding machine (or pc with a calculator app). Like at a sports game, the tally is always on display on the room display screen. And each ballot held up and counted is recorded on live camera.

Anyone present can also video record/stream- the public, the press, party observers. These cameras can be used as backup/verification cameras.

When the last ballot is counted, the final tally is already on screen for all to see. The result and video is uploaded to the county and state web site. Anyone can watch video playback of any precinct. This way, anyone can verify that all the ballots were counted accurately at any precinct!

Not only that you can verify if YOUR ballot was counted. Watch the playback for when they hold up your ballot to the camera. You'll know because you wrote a random phrase or number on it! Only you will know it's your ballot. Proof it was counted. You saw your ballot held up, and the tally person pressed add +1 for your candidate. And the display screen showed it.

This is the only method that allows ANYONE to verify the counting at ANY precinct. Absentee voting will have to qualify for good reason and send in their ballot to the precinct, and a poll worker will stand in line and drop their ballot for them- displaying the absentee's reg ID.

Video is proof! Video is allowed in court! My method records everything at the precinct! Dropping the ballot. Who dropped it. And counting every ballot one at a time.

Questions? Try and pick it apart. You can't.

And we will have a winner declared sometime in July...possibly. Your suggestion is crazy.


We've had elections since day one. The only reason we have this upheaval is because of one sore loser and a dwindling number of people who believe him.

 

[jc456]

We've had elections since day one. The only reason we have this upheaval is because of one sore loser and a dwindling number of people who believe him.

let me know when you really want to discuss this.

 

[candycorn]

EVERYONE is given a Voter Registration card when they register. Those who are already registered are grandfathered in. Your card and picture are on file and can be easily called up if you lose or forget your card.
When 99 percent of voters have their cards, we can require them to vote.

The government thinks that there are 6.6 million people still alive at 112 years old. How do you know when the 99% is reached?

***Note: I have no idea how many of those people are registered to vote. It's just a point of contention.

To your point, we should have a federally mandated position in the States that addresses the "rot" in the voter rolls.

Someone whose job is to purge voter rolls, someone who has the power to compile a list of persons who haven't voted, check death records, investigate the matter and remove them from the voter rolls.

And no...they are not there to "hunt down" fraud...it simply doesn't exist in numbers that are large enough to swing federal elections. Local elections??? Referendums??? Maybe. So I think it is important enough to do this.

Anyway, have it federally mandated just like we de facto mandate other standards for drinking water, education, etc.. Give the office some authority to compile these lists and to actually remove people who clearly are no longer with us, investigate whether people have moved, etc...

 

[candycorn]

We've had elections since day one. The only reason we have this upheaval is because of one sore loser and a dwindling number of people who believe him.

let me know when you really want to discuss this.

Let me know when you have a system that isn't as silly as allowing someone to cast a ballot on the lid of a Dominos pizza box.

Some ballots have 40 or 50 elections on them.

What then? You write down 40 or 50 names?

 

[jc456]

We've had elections since day one. The only reason we have this upheaval is because of one sore loser and a dwindling number of people who believe him.

let me know when you really want to discuss this.

Let me know when you have a system that isn't as silly as allowing someone to cast a ballot on the lid of a Dominos pizza box.

Some ballots have 40 or 50 elections on them.

What then? You write down 40 or 50 names?

you mean dominions box.

 

[candycorn]

Our electoral system has endured for two plus centuries, because of a very powerful (and at the time unique) concept: the peaceful transfer of power.

That essentially means when a candidate exhausts all legal means of challenging an election, he acknowledges the loss and concedes.

When that doesn't happen, and the candidate instead continues to make baseless claims on the election's integrity, he is taking part in destroying the public's faith in our elections. All without evidence.

Should there be repurcussions on a candidate that does this? Because this too is part of the problem with the 2020 election.

I think our founders made certain assumptions when they brilliantly laid things out, and I don't think we've lived up to those assumptions. They couldn't have anticipated that we'd divide into competing realities like this. How could they?

Gee, if only we could be adult men and women long enough to realize we have a 230+ year old business model that is not built for 2021. The local pizza parlor doesn't have the same business model that it had in 2015...much less 1915.

Voting is just one of the many systems we have in the nation that are not built for our current day and age. The good news is that it is internal that it usually doesn't deposit a complete moron as the President. In 2016 it did. But usually it does not.

The thread is about counting votes but we really need to address the gerrymandering by both sides. I propose a lottery system that goes something like this. Survey the ZIP codes in every state and group them by their population. You'll end up with X number of high population ZIP codes, X number low population ZIP codes, and dozens of ZIP codes in-between. For ease of math lets say a state has 10 representatives and 1000 zip codes. Each representative will get 100 zip codes evenly divided between high, intermediate, and low populations and the elected official will represent essentially the same number of people give or take.
Whether the zip codes are geographically aligned or not is no longer a concern considering the gerrymandering doesn't abide by this in practice.

 

[candycorn]

You don't get that many new voters

I disagree. Studies have shown that of the 22 million dead people who voted for Biden in the 2020 election, over 97% of them were voting for the very first time.

He is extremely popular with the recently departed.

Please source your statistics.

 

[candycorn]

IF you don't have confidence in the process any more, feel free not to vote. But your lack of confidence isn't based on any evidence. It's based on your not liking the outcome of the previous election.

Go read H.R 1,.. There's a reason that Pelosi and the power hoes put this as the 1st item of business.

They want to INSTITUTIONALIZE some of the heinous stuff that was allowed that turned ELECTION DAY into ELECTION MONTH... And over-ride the states control of elections..

You don't SEE the problem because youre not watching the game play out.. If elections are as perfect as you think, there WOULD BE NO NEED for H.R. 1 -- WOULD THERE?????

Answer that last question or just be irrelevant....

Whenever shit happens with a govt function -- I IMMEDIATELY know it;s more likely INCOMPETENCE than criminal.. Thats because govt SUCKS at any real excellence in anything.. So -- it's gotta be Stone Age and Stone STUPID for the govt to handle critical functions like elections..

Your profane tantrum isn't appropriate for the CDZ.

Again, if you have no faith in the elections. Don't vote. Your faithlessness is based on paranoia. Nothing else.

 

[jc456]

The local pizza parlor doesn't have the same business model that it had in 2015...much less 1915.

make pizza sell pizza. what other model is there?

 

[jc456]

Your profane tantrum isn't appropriate for the CDZ.

Again, if you have no faith in the elections. Don't vote. Your faithlessness is based on paranoia. Nothing else.

you violated the clean debate zone. address his post, don't go off on a tangent. Everything he wrote was spot on. Now, debate the items in his post. ready? go.

 

[candycorn]

The local pizza parlor doesn't have the same business model that it had in 2015...much less 1915.

make pizza sell pizza. what other model is there?

New flavors and toppings...Side orders...expanded delivery area....marketing....expansion... etc...

 

[jc456]

The local pizza parlor doesn't have the same business model that it had in 2015...much less 1915.

make pizza sell pizza. what other model is there?

New flavors and toppings...Side orders...expanded delivery area....marketing....expansion... etc...

eat in, offer different entrees. free pop, free appetizers, all being done. so what needs to change, you said it no one else did.

 

[candycorn]

The local pizza parlor doesn't have the same business model that it had in 2015...much less 1915.

make pizza sell pizza. what other model is there?

New flavors and toppings...Side orders...expanded delivery area....marketing....expansion... etc...

eat in, offer different entrees. free pop, free appetizers, all being done. so what needs to change, you said it no one else did.

All of those things are part of the business plan...of which you'll need capital...to get it you'll need to get a loan from the bank....the bank is going to want to see a plan before they loan the money.

 

[James112]

Here's my method. For a presidential or run off election with a few candidates.

Voting is something like a sports game- tally points to determine a winner. When you go to a sports game, the score is tallied in real time and shown on large displays, that everyone can see. Also, the whole game is played in the open, for cameras to record. Not one moment is played off the field, or off camera. No one disputes the score at the end. The score was tallied as points were made.

Currently we use computers for voting and discourage cameras. This is backwards! My method the voter does not use a computer. And everything is recorded on camera!

You must show up at your precinct and drop a ballot into a clear box. A ballot can be any plain piece of paper. Just write your candidate's name or initial on any blank sheet of paper. You don't have to sign it. However you can write a random phrase or number, only you know, on it. Fold it once.

When you approach the ballot box you will place your voter registration card on a card holder on top of the box, so the camera can see it. The camera records you and your ID card, as you drop your ballot into the box.

Ballots are removed from the box one at a time and tallied at a counting table. The tally person holds up each ballot to the camera. Then presses the add +1 on an adding machine (or pc with a calculator app). Like at a sports game, the tally is always on display on the room display screen. And each ballot held up and counted is recorded on live camera.

Anyone present can also video record/stream- the public, the press, party observers. These cameras can be used as backup/verification cameras.

When the last ballot is counted, the final tally is already on screen for all to see. The result and video is uploaded to the county and state web site. Anyone can watch video playback of any precinct. This way, anyone can verify that all the ballots were counted accurately at any precinct!

Not only that you can verify if YOUR ballot was counted. Watch the playback for when they hold up your ballot to the camera. You'll know because you wrote a random phrase or number on it! Only you will know it's your ballot. Proof it was counted. You saw your ballot held up, and the tally person pressed add +1 for your candidate. And the display screen showed it.

This is the only method that allows ANYONE to verify the counting at ANY precinct. Absentee voting will have to qualify for good reason and send in their ballot to the precinct, and a poll worker will stand in line and drop their ballot for them- displaying the absentee's reg ID.

Video is proof! Video is allowed in court! My method records everything at the precinct! Dropping the ballot. Who dropped it. And counting every ballot one at a time.

Questions? Try and pick it apart. You can't.

And we will have a winner declared sometime in July...possibly. Your suggestion is crazy.


We've had elections since day one. The only reason we have this upheaval is because of one sore loser and a dwindling number of people who believe him.

We've had election uncertainty since 2004 when computer touch screens became in wide use in 2004, when Bush was behind Kerry and there was a 'pause' in the reporting, and after the pause, Bush was ahead.

Also in 2007, then-Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, found that touchscreen voting machines were vulnerable to hacking with relative ease.

We can't trust computers. Even with a paper trial. A computer printing a report means nothing. What works in counting anything is observers watching each count one by one, by hand: 1, 2, 3, 4, .... You can't cheat doing it that way. Then simply record it on video. When a precinct is done counting by hand on video, they post the results, the video, and the final screen snap of the video showing the results. Why is that crazy to record it on video?

 

[candycorn]

Here's my method. For a presidential or run off election with a few candidates.

Voting is something like a sports game- tally points to determine a winner. When you go to a sports game, the score is tallied in real time and shown on large displays, that everyone can see. Also, the whole game is played in the open, for cameras to record. Not one moment is played off the field, or off camera. No one disputes the score at the end. The score was tallied as points were made.

Currently we use computers for voting and discourage cameras. This is backwards! My method the voter does not use a computer. And everything is recorded on camera!

You must show up at your precinct and drop a ballot into a clear box. A ballot can be any plain piece of paper. Just write your candidate's name or initial on any blank sheet of paper. You don't have to sign it. However you can write a random phrase or number, only you know, on it. Fold it once.

When you approach the ballot box you will place your voter registration card on a card holder on top of the box, so the camera can see it. The camera records you and your ID card, as you drop your ballot into the box.

Ballots are removed from the box one at a time and tallied at a counting table. The tally person holds up each ballot to the camera. Then presses the add +1 on an adding machine (or pc with a calculator app). Like at a sports game, the tally is always on display on the room display screen. And each ballot held up and counted is recorded on live camera.

Anyone present can also video record/stream- the public, the press, party observers. These cameras can be used as backup/verification cameras.

When the last ballot is counted, the final tally is already on screen for all to see. The result and video is uploaded to the county and state web site. Anyone can watch video playback of any precinct. This way, anyone can verify that all the ballots were counted accurately at any precinct!

Not only that you can verify if YOUR ballot was counted. Watch the playback for when they hold up your ballot to the camera. You'll know because you wrote a random phrase or number on it! Only you will know it's your ballot. Proof it was counted. You saw your ballot held up, and the tally person pressed add +1 for your candidate. And the display screen showed it.

This is the only method that allows ANYONE to verify the counting at ANY precinct. Absentee voting will have to qualify for good reason and send in their ballot to the precinct, and a poll worker will stand in line and drop their ballot for them- displaying the absentee's reg ID.

Video is proof! Video is allowed in court! My method records everything at the precinct! Dropping the ballot. Who dropped it. And counting every ballot one at a time.

Questions? Try and pick it apart. You can't.

And we will have a winner declared sometime in July...possibly. Your suggestion is crazy.


We've had elections since day one. The only reason we have this upheaval is because of one sore loser and a dwindling number of people who believe him.

We've had election uncertainty since 2004 when computer touch screens became in wide use in 2004, when Bush was behind Kerry and there was a 'pause' in the reporting, and after the pause, Bush was ahead.

Negative.

Also in 2007, then-Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, found that touchscreen voting machines were vulnerable to hacking with relative ease.

We can't trust computers.

You're using a computer right now. Be careful. You can't trust it. LOL

Even with a paper trial. A computer printing a report means nothing. What works in counting anything is observers watching each count one by one, by hand: 1, 2, 3, 4, .... You can't cheat doing it that way. Then simply record it on video. When a precinct is done counting by hand on video, they post the results, the video, and the final screen snap of the video showing the results. Why is that crazy to record it on video?

It isn't unusual to have 40 or 50 offices up for election on a single ballot with numerous referendums and amendments....

So are there now going to be 40 or 50 slips of paper for some one to fill out...and record every image?

Thats just for starters.

I'm sorry but your system is nuts.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Govt is the worst place to look for innovation and excellence..

But the only place to look for regulating voting.

But, to your point: independent commissions, maybe foreign, should be enlisted to assess our system and make recommendations. Especially including redrawing districts.

Not foreign.. Highly TECHNICALLY QUALIFIED.. I'd go to places like IEEE or ASME professional societies to design "day of voting" machines and procedures.. That's would work just fine..

If ya remember, we all got weirded out by "chad" and recounts in 2000. The Dems particularly went to voting machine COMPANIES and got sold shitty over-thought designed crap.. And they SCREAMED ABOUT WANTING TOUCH SCREENS... That was the total solution...

It sucks.. The machines used on day of voting should be SIMPLE and completely PROPRIETARY.. NOT relying on MSoft Op systems, floating point math processors, VIRUS PROTECTION and net and wireless connections...

Like I said above, what we're finding is not criminal, but the INABILITY OF LOCAL registrars to set-up, maintain and re-validate these machines..

And then there's got to be a realization that a ballot IS A LEGAL DOC, not a pizza coupon or Pub Clearing house package when it hits the mail... No matter if COVID is the excuse or an ALIEN occupation or whatever they use next to shred "chain of custody" on the ballots..

The EVIDENCE of wrong-doing is LONG GONE.. With the shredded or burned envelopes tghat mail-ins were SUPPOSED to come in.. So -- FIXING things is the priority. NOT litigating the last election..

There is no significant fraud. Dreaming up errors is not a good basis to believe there is or might be. We don't really need a new system at all. We need to punish elected officials who spread lies about the current system.