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AMERICA IS FREEDOM TAKEN TO THE RIDICULOUS EXTREME!
Hitler thought the same thing about Germany in 1932. Then he did something about it. And enlisted people like you to help him.
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AMERICA IS FREEDOM TAKEN TO THE RIDICULOUS EXTREME!
Gabriella84 said:Hitler thought the same thing about Germany in 1932. Then he did something about it. And enlisted people like you to help him.
OCA said:That we stop trying to distance ourselves from these things and embrace them. Enough removal of things from the public square and bring prayer back into public schools.
MissileMan said:While it may be a majority of Americans think that homosexuality and abortion are wrong, it's not even close to unanimous. Since neither of those things are illegal, you're just going to have to get used to them being around. You have choices available to you. You can elect to not associate with homosexuals and elect to not watch shows or read books with homosexual themes. You can also elect to not have an abortion.
But I'll ask you again, since the 10 commandments are well represented in our laws, what more do you think is necessary?
MissileMan said:You pitched a hissy when the federal government tried to intrude into the Schaivo case, but you think it would be just dandy if Uncle Sugar forced all of us to live our lives as Christians. I don't even have to say hypocrite. For the record; public square, yes...public schools, no.
OCA said:Hey missle you don't think that the 70-30 average winning margin for the 11 states that voted against gay marriage is a majority? What you think thats gonna change in other states?
MissileMan said:Read it again. I said that it was a majority. I also said that it was not unanimous. That's what makes this such a great country...the 30% is protected from the 70%. I wonder what the numbers would be if the question were whether or not to classify homosexuality a felony. And I bet that the 70% would dwindle if the question was whether to allow homosexuals to enter into a legally binding civil union.
OCA said:Lets see, pre 1970, prayer in schools, no school shootings ever......after prayer taken out numerous school shootings and disrespect for authority on a massive scale....I think its obvious.
As for federal intervention.....no, I don't think courts ought to be the ones to enforce it but I do think that the pres and whoever else ought to quit cowtowing to leftists and say its a damn good idea!
Anyway Schiavo and school prayer are apples and oranges, ones a family matter the other is just damn good sense.
MissileMan said:I don't know where you went to school, but there was never a prayer offered up in my mid-60s classes. We never had any school shootings either. And if lack of a school prayer were the real reason why, then there would have been more than just the handful that have occurred.
As for disrespect for authority, the blame is clearly on parents. Properly raised children don't have disciplinary problems unless they have some kind of medical problem.
OCA said:Lets see, pre 1970, prayer in schools, no school shootings ever......after prayer taken out numerous school shootings and disrespect for authority on a massive scale....I think its obvious.
OCA said:You see liberals like to try and muddle the conversation with forked roads(and tongues) and use big words because they think if they can get you going in several different convoluted directions at once you won't discover that they have no point at all.
OCA said:Yeah parents are to blame somewhat but so is society, we've bent over backwards not to hurt this fruitcake groups feelings or this fruitcake groups feelings or, well, we can't celebrate xmas now in school because it will upset the Jews and others, I mean when do we stand up for what is obviously right and squelch all this other crap? Xmas is a religious holiday, homosexuality lifestyle choice is dangerous and wrong, if your a black trenchcoat wearing freak your ass needs to be locked up and monitored before you smoke your classmates. These are just examples. America needs to toughen up.
MissileMan said:Noone's ever accused me of being PC, I've always called a spade "a spade". I'm against the wholesale removal of traditional, historic relgious symbols as much as I am against prayer in public school. I'm also against efforts to discriminate against people simply because they don't have the same moral values.
ScreamingEagle said:So you think it is just fine to "tolerate" bad morals - just because they are not "the same" as yours? You're the typical lib that thinks spreading abortion and homosexuality and widespread porn is "progressive". What makes you think those kind of things are "progressive" and good for society?
ScreamingEagle said:You say you believe in "individual responsibility". How is that to happen if an individual has no moral code? If there are no societal restraints? Without a societal moral code, anything goes, and as a result our shining American experiment becomes fatally sick and eventually dies down the drain of history.
ScreamingEagle said:We've got you mushbrain libs to thank for that. You libs live in the twilight zone of relativity because you have no moral backbone. You will allow our country to fall because you don't have the cajones to stand up for right and wrong.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS! THERE IT IS! When libs can't win an argument they bring up Hitler and the Nazis, its the weakest argument known to man. But hey anyway you go to Berkeley, you don't know any better.
Gabriella84 said:Archangel, you make some extremely good points. But I am starting to wonder about your conservative thought process, since you seem willing to examine both sides of controversial and divisive issues.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS! THERE IT IS! When conservatives can't win an argument they resort to flaming and personal insults, its the weakest argument known to man. But hey anyway you are simple minded, you don't know any better.
MissileMan said:You apparently have a reading disorder, so I'm not sure if this explanation is going to do you any good or not, but I'll give it a shot.
1. I said different morals, not bad morals. We have laws that determine what is acceptable. There are always going to be differences of opinion as to whether the laws are sufficient or not. As long as someone actions are legal, it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks of it.
MissileMan said:2. I'm as much a liberal as you are a satanist. I have advocated 1st trimester only abortions, after that the woman should carry to term unless her life is in danger or a very serious birth defect is confirmed. Because I believe that homosexuals are born that way, I have advocated awareness of and tolerance for homosexuals being introduced into schools. I'm not worried about some epidemic of homosexuality because common sense dictates that if you are born straight that you'll only be attracted to members of the opposite sex. As far as porn goes, if it's kept away from kids, who cares?
MissileMan said:3. You like to throw the lib label on anyone who doesn't follow the ultraconservative religious dogma. I defy you to find a post where I've said an increase in abortion would be "progressive". You won't be able to, so don't bother trying.
MissileMan said:You don't have to be Christian or religious to have a moral code. And as previously stated, we have laws that determine what is socially acceptable.
Guess my points got to you. Moral relativism is what libs believe in. It is the quicksand that will suck down America.MissileMan said:Ummmm.... :finger:
ScreamingEagle said:No reading disorder - I know you said "different" morals. This is where you and we conservatives totally disagree. You slide into your "moral relativism" mode while we conservatives know the difference between right and wrong. We are not immune to the human condition, but abortion, homosexuality, and porn have NEVER been proven to help society overall.
ScreamingEagle said:Glad to hear you are a conservative in the making. We conservatives are not advocating the destruction of homosexuals or women who get pregnant at the wrong time. God made us all and compassion is good but there are other approaches to these problems of life than making them legal. You ask "who cares" about porn? We conservatives do. Society must aim to lift Man up, not bring him down into the gutter. Porn and the accompanying moral wasteland is everywhere today and our children are being tempted, even encouraged, to roll in the gutter rather than reach for their highest and best.
ScreamingEagle said:OK, so you know abortion is not a "progressive" thing. So why do you support it? Even if just through the first trimester. The principle is the same, the woman is still pregnant with child.
MissileMan said:Same old shit! You're the only authority on what's right and what's wrong.
You misread a post again. Have you had your eyes checked lately?
I very clearly stated "if it's kept away from kids". So if an ADULT chooses to watch some porn, what do you care? What if they don't share the smae puritanical views on sex as you do? What if it's a happily married husband and wife who use it to enhance their marriage? You seem to have a hard time grasping the fact that the whole world doesn't share your morals...ain't that a bitch?
A woman's body is her domain. I believe a certain amount of development must take place before a fetus is a human being. Also, your God performs way more abortions than all of the abortion clinics combined...in at least 15% of all pregnancies, the woman miscarries.