Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians

[danielpalos]

The adverse consequences felt in the economy are a direct result of, NOT peaceful and neighborly actions, but the fear they project in the Middle East and abroad. The Arab Palestinians do not represent a positive value to adjacent neighbors.

I think this is one of the key points in your post.

The Arab Palestinians want to be able to choose resistance (read: terrorism, violence, anti-peace, war, military conflict) while also expecting a robust and vibrant economy (even without their own active participation in such).

Those two things are mutually incompatible.

in other words, no solutions from the right wing. what a coincidence.

 

[Shusha]

Is Gaza allowed to enter independent trade agreements with other nations?

They clearly have no trouble with trade agreements with Iran.

What trade agreements do they have?

It was sarcasm, Coyote.

 

[Shusha]

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish?

The astonishing thing is that they have managed to convince you and a large portion of the international community that a government which is a terrorist organization, commits terrorist attacks against its neighbor, incites States to violent acts and war-mongers should HAVE real trade agreements and not be subjected to a multi-national embargo.

Its insane. Once again, economic success happens only in the absence of terrorism and belligerence. The standard, worldwide, is -- and should be -- we don't engage in diplomatic relations and trade agreements with terrorists and belligerent enemies. When the violence stops -- that's when we start to build a different sort of relationship.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Start a thread about Dey.

This is a thread about reshaping the aid the Palestinians are getting.

it can Only happen in the extra Ordinary world? it merely should require Ten simple Commandments from a God or a lord and dey.

Then you are in the wrong community. This is the Politics community and not the Religion one.

what shape do You believe aid in that region, should be?

We are not talking about the region.
We are talking about aid to Gaza and the WB.

They get more than enough aid from everywhere, including Iran, which they usually use as weapons against Israel.

What other aid do they need, which they are not already getting?

is that the dilemma? it should be about Peace in historic Palestine.

You should tell us about this historic Palestine of yours some day

What are the names of its leaders going back through history? Who were its writers and poets and musicians? What are the names of its diplomats who negotiated with other people? Who were its generals leading their defense.

Enquiring minds want to know of this fabled land of yours .

 

[Shusha]

Do they have zero ability to grow their economy.

That's rather the point when it comes to things like embargos as a response to belligerence.

 

[Shusha]

The adverse consequences felt in the economy are a direct result of, NOT peaceful and neighborly actions, but the fear they project in the Middle East and abroad. The Arab Palestinians do not represent a positive value to adjacent neighbors.

I think this is one of the key points in your post.

The Arab Palestinians want to be able to choose resistance (read: terrorism, violence, anti-peace, war, military conflict) while also expecting a robust and vibrant economy (even without their own active participation in such).

Those two things are mutually incompatible.

in other words, no solutions from the right wing. what a coincidence.

On the contrary. The solution is inherent in my post. Its up the Arab Palestinians to choose war or a thriving nation and live with the consequences of their choice.

 

[danielpalos]

it can Only happen in the extra Ordinary world? it merely should require Ten simple Commandments from a God or a lord and dey.

Then you are in the wrong community. This is the Politics community and not the Religion one.

what shape do You believe aid in that region, should be?

We are not talking about the region.
We are talking about aid to Gaza and the WB.

They get more than enough aid from everywhere, including Iran, which they usually use as weapons against Israel.

What other aid do they need, which they are not already getting?

is that the dilemma? it should be about Peace in historic Palestine.

You should tell us about this historic Palestine of yours some day

What are the names of its leaders going back through history? Who were its writers and poets and musicians? What are the names of its diplomats who negotiated with other people? Who were its generals leading their defense.

Enquiring minds want to know of this fabled land of yours .

in the ordinary world, let's just say, it may require a dey.

A Roman Prefect was not enough. That would be the structure. A deylicate of Palestine.

It merely requires moral fortitude, to have a purely ceremonial dey.

Otherwise, it should require some social contract and Constitution.

Let's just say, that a mission of the dey, is to promote progress in that region. Even if it may require, an arsenal of the deylicate, to do it.

Having recourse to another layer of Government, should help with issues of the Domestic Tranquility of any local Government.

 

[flewism]

Any US aid to the people attempting to create Palestine is just a donation to terrorism.

 

[Shusha]

Then you are in the wrong community. This is the Politics community and not the Religion one.

what shape do You believe aid in that region, should be?

We are not talking about the region.
We are talking about aid to Gaza and the WB.

They get more than enough aid from everywhere, including Iran, which they usually use as weapons against Israel.

What other aid do they need, which they are not already getting?

is that the dilemma? it should be about Peace in historic Palestine.

You should tell us about this historic Palestine of yours some day

What are the names of its leaders going back through history? Who were its writers and poets and musicians? What are the names of its diplomats who negotiated with other people? Who were its generals leading their defense.

Enquiring minds want to know of this fabled land of yours .

in the ordinary world, let's just say, it may require a dey.

A Roman Prefect was not enough. That would be the structure. A deylicate of Palestine.

It merely requires moral fortitude, to have a purely ceremonial dey.

Otherwise, it should require some social contract and Constitution.

Let's just say, that a mission of the dey, is to promote progress in that region. Even if it may require, an arsenal of the deylicate, to do it.

Having recourse to another layer of Government, should help with issues of the Domestic Tranquility of any local Government.

You are speaking largely nonsense words. But if you want someone to promote progress in that region -- it already exists. Is called Israel.

 

[danielpalos]

what shape do You believe aid in that region, should be?

We are not talking about the region.
We are talking about aid to Gaza and the WB.

They get more than enough aid from everywhere, including Iran, which they usually use as weapons against Israel.

What other aid do they need, which they are not already getting?

is that the dilemma? it should be about Peace in historic Palestine.

You should tell us about this historic Palestine of yours some day

What are the names of its leaders going back through history? Who were its writers and poets and musicians? What are the names of its diplomats who negotiated with other people? Who were its generals leading their defense.

Enquiring minds want to know of this fabled land of yours .

in the ordinary world, let's just say, it may require a dey.

A Roman Prefect was not enough. That would be the structure. A deylicate of Palestine.

It merely requires moral fortitude, to have a purely ceremonial dey.

Otherwise, it should require some social contract and Constitution.

Let's just say, that a mission of the dey, is to promote progress in that region. Even if it may require, an arsenal of the deylicate, to do it.

Having recourse to another layer of Government, should help with issues of the Domestic Tranquility of any local Government.

You are speaking largely nonsense words. But if you want someone to promote progress in that region -- it already exists. Is called Israel.

it takes morals to obey Ten simple Commandments from a God.

a dey really could say; render all of your problems unto me.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish?

The astonishing thing is that they have managed to convince you and a large portion of the international community that a government which is a terrorist organization, commits terrorist attacks against its neighbor, incites States to violent acts and war-mongers should HAVE real trade agreements and not be subjected to a multi-national embargo.

Its insane. Once again, economic success happens only in the absence of terrorism and belligerence. The standard, worldwide, is -- and should be -- we don't engage in diplomatic relations and trade agreements with terrorists and belligerent enemies. When the violence stops -- that's when we start to build a different sort of relationship.[/QUOTE

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish?

The astonishing thing is that they have managed to convince you and a large portion of the international community that a government which is a terrorist organization, commits terrorist attacks against its neighbor, incites States to violent acts and war-mongers should HAVE real trade agreements and not be subjected to a multi-national embargo.

Its insane. Once again, economic success happens only in the absence of terrorism and belligerence. The standard, worldwide, is -- and should be -- we don't engage in diplomatic relations and trade agreements with terrorists and belligerent enemies. When the violence stops -- that's when we start to build a different sort of relationship.

What I find astonishing is how I watched the assassination of Bobby Kennedy by the same group that now flies its flag at the democratic national convention.

Take one Egyptian terrorist, have him learn some propaganda techniques from his uncle who just happened to be a card carrying Nazi, watch as he invents a brand new people out of whole cloth and utilizes every trick in the book from such an education, and in just two generations, up becomes down, black becomes white and evil becomes good.

 

[flacaltenn]

Is Gaza allowed to enter independent trade agreements with other nations?

Gaza is under multi-national embargo for being governed by a terrorist proxy of Iran and a danger to Egypt as well as Israel -- AND THEIR OWN Palestinian Authority..

YET -- They DO survive on UNWRA funds and various NGO support? What aid do you think Gaza ought to get? Because they are powered and watered and fed by Israel.. That's MORE AID than they get from Mahmoud Abbas or the rest of the ENTIRE Arab world.

Why did you bring this up? You got a plan to re-unite the Palestinians or something?

More like an Israeli embargo

Then you know very little about it. The PAuthority is the one withholding electricity payments for Gaza. And withholding other aid as well for over a decade now. The 2 factions have TRIED about a dozen times to reconcile. All ending in failure or in some cases assassinations. And Egypt adamantly imposes MORE restrictions and import/export sanctions than Israel does.

 

[Coyote]

it can Only happen in the extra Ordinary world? it merely should require Ten simple Commandments from a God or a lord and dey.

Then you are in the wrong community. This is the Politics community and not the Religion one.

what shape do You believe aid in that region, should be?

We are not talking about the region.
We are talking about aid to Gaza and the WB.

They get more than enough aid from everywhere, including Iran, which they usually use as weapons against Israel.

What other aid do they need, which they are not already getting?

is that the dilemma? it should be about Peace in historic Palestine.

You should tell us about this historic Palestine of yours some day

What are the names of its leaders going back through history? Who were its writers and poets and musicians? What are the names of its diplomats who negotiated with other people? Who were its generals leading their defense.

Enquiring minds want to know of this fabled land of yours .

It was an individual who killed Kennedy. Not a group.

 

[Coyote]

Do they have zero ability to grow their economy.

That's rather the point when it comes to things like embargos as a response to belligerence.

What about the West Bank?

 

[Coyote]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ Coyote, et al,

While neither the West Bank or the Gaza Strip have specific trade agreements; it does not mean there is no trade:

West Bank + Gaza Strip* Exports:
$1.955 billion (2017 est.) $1.827 billion (2016 est.) ​

West Bank + Gaza Strip* Imports:
$6.476 billion (2017 est.) $6.11 billion (2016 est.)
​

While no one claims that the economy of the Territories is flourishing (Ranked 142)(whereas Israel Ranked ≈ 45 @ Imports: $60B). But as we discussed before, neither the Ramallah Government nor the Gaza Government is reinvesting revenue back into the infrastructure and the economy. They don't even have a plan (or for that matter a Prospectus) for the development of Areas "A" or "B."

* NOTE: The Jerusalem Economy and the does not include the
...............Sharia-compliant Finance and, of course, effects of the Wadiah.
​

Can you answer the question? If we are removing aid what trade options exist?

(COMMENT)

There is no real (unclassified) textbook on the subject of the financial interests of either government (Gaza of Ramallah). Not only is there a matter of Donor Contributions, but there are also undisclosed external covert sources and the contemporary Islamic movements.

On an open market scale, the economies of the West Bank and Gaza Strip is parasitic. Essentially, the Central Bank for the both is the Palestinian Monetary Authority (PMA). It was an outcome of the Oslo I Accords (1994). For all practical purposes, US Aid has little effect on the operation of the PMA in matters of financial stability and sustainable economic growth.

Most Respectfully,
R

Here is another question, who do they export to and import from?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Then you are in the wrong community. This is the Politics community and not the Religion one.

what shape do You believe aid in that region, should be?

We are not talking about the region.
We are talking about aid to Gaza and the WB.

They get more than enough aid from everywhere, including Iran, which they usually use as weapons against Israel.

What other aid do they need, which they are not already getting?

is that the dilemma? it should be about Peace in historic Palestine.

You should tell us about this historic Palestine of yours some day

What are the names of its leaders going back through history? Who were its writers and poets and musicians? What are the names of its diplomats who negotiated with other people? Who were its generals leading their defense.

Enquiring minds want to know of this fabled land of yours .

It was an individual who killed Kennedy. Not a group.

Every terrorist is an individual.

Like Sirhan Sirhan the other Pally terrorists murder for the same cause .

Kennedy was killed by an Arab because Kennedy supported Israel.

 

[Sixties Fan]

#EUTrade news

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ danielpalos, et al,

I don't think that a question, asking for a "solution" was asked.

SubRef: • rylah's Posting #933.

in other words, no solutions from the right wing. what a coincidence.

(COMMENT)

Solutions to the conflict, and to the economy, are closely aligned. But nothing suggested is in the realm of a working and viable solution, can be assembled until there is an agreement on the goal and end-state.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ danielpalos, et al,

I don't think that a question, asking for a "solution" was asked.

SubRef: • rylah's Posting #933.

in other words, no solutions from the right wing. what a coincidence.

(COMMENT)

Solutions to the conflict, and to the economy, are closely aligned. But nothing suggested is in the realm of a working and viable solution, can be assembled until there is an agreement on the goal and end-state.

Most Respectfully,
R

His interest is in a religious solution, not a political one.

 

[Shusha]

Do they have zero ability to grow their economy.

That's rather the point when it comes to things like embargos as a response to belligerence.

What about the West Bank?

The PA should pay their hospital bills instead of paying for the belligerence that is terrorism. Removing aide payments is step one of an embargo. Point is exactly the same.