Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians

Countries that successfully defend against the Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters of the world, also are adept at using deadly force.
The Palestinians are attacked every day yet they are expected to sit on their hands.

How about BDS and their handers stop promising to behead every Jew "from the river to the sea"?
Where do you get that shit?
 
Countries that successfully defend against the Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters of the world, also are adept at using deadly force.
The Palestinians are attacked every day yet they are expected to sit on their hands.
I guess those 10,000 rockets, missiles, attacks by Islamic terrorists over the last decades are just an entitlement?
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It’s all…..twisted.


At least you have the sequence right.


…oh, and this blaise attitude – a rocket falls at the feet of the jewish guy, and the guy has his hands in his pockets… as if it’s to be taken lightly…[ no biggie, just a big-ole-rocket aimed at me which was meant to kill me <~~~~ all I was doing was walking down the block] ….


....the sequence is right. How should Israel respond/react/retaliate to Palestinians starting trouble….

at least here you finally admitted it: who starts shit.....
 
The anti Semite card is no longer the ace of trump.


Offering the opinion that it should be open season on Jews because they are Jews goes well beyond ordinary antisemitism.

Your desire to kill Jews is emblematic of the greater problem, here, in that far too many of your fellow Arabs share this view. Like you, the other terrorist propagandists inverse the relationship between cause and effect so as to fool those of low IQ into becoming terrorist supporters.

The terrorism is the CAUSE of Israel's targeting of the locations from which it arose. The resulting strike to eliminate the source of the terrorism, the effect.

Not a single dime should be funneled to support such sickness.
 
The Arab Palestinians always tried to play the victim and the good guys! They try to portray themselves as guys who didn't know they were bad guys doing bad things. They are villains that run into walls all the time and are not intellectually able to workout the dilemma as if pinned in a coffin. But they don't think they are doing anything wrong murder, terror, mayhem; but nothing wrong. IIn many ways they think they are cunning and smart. When the Arab Palestinian break laws and ethical rules, they justify it in their own terms.


In my opinion, they ARE cunning in the way they have gone about wooing the world leftists. Looking at the sheer number of their useful idiots, both in this forum as well as world wide, they have been extraordinarily successful in their propaganda.

First, the Arab propagandists created a brand new "Palestinian" people out of whole cloth. They hammered home themes that instead of the arab aggression starting wars, it was these "Palestinians" who were victims. They whipped up a new name for it, appealing to emotion -- the Nakba -- as if their leaving during the war they started was somehow equivalent to the Holocaust.

Today, we hear all sorts of claptrap about "Bantustans" as the propagandists borrow terms from other conflicts sure to hit all the right buttons. They invent a word to describe resistance to their aggression, "Islamophobia" and then proceed to market it as the equivalent of antisemitism. All the language they use is crafted quite cynically to appeal to the sensibilities of low IQ leftists through various appeals to popularity, tu quoque fallacies and emotional hand wring, all of which their most dutiful leftist acolytes repeat as if gospel. Heck, there are people in this very forum who devote their entire being into repeating this gospel, so successful they have been in creating this illusion.

IMO, they don't just think they are cunning, they ARE cunning. All their devoted followers who are absolutely incapable of moral reasoning lies as proof to that.
 
If the government is inadequate, or the economic situation situation dire, aid can help.

In fact, aid is frequently used to help hospitals and schools in many countries, and I have never before heard this argument made against them.


For how long?

I have never seen time limits placed on aid. Presumably until it is no longer needed, or otherwise ended.

This can only happen with clear frames and outlined goals, including time limits.
Otherwise You can't make a distinction when it is actually needed.

Junkies on the streets "need aid", does it help or worsen the situation if You give 'em Your paycheck with no conditions? A road to where is paved with good intentions?

How do you determine time limits when you are dealing with a catastrophic drought, or a civil war ? I agree on conditions though.

By applying the same standards as in similar cases.
The US, unfortunately has vast experience of dealing with catastrophic events on its' soil.

As for the civil war between Hamas and PLO all aid should be stopped, dry them up until all weapons they've left is forks. In my opinion only viable investment is in regional cooperation and normalization,anything else is counterproductive and prolonging the problem.
Aid for prograns like that is part of what was cut.
 
Is Gaza allowed to enter independent trade agreements with other nations?

They clearly have no trouble with trade agreements with Iran.
What trade agreements do they have?
One really cannot call it trade, what occurs between Gaza and Iran.

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/05/gaza-islamic-jihad-and-iranian-arms.html

Iran supplied Hamas with Fajr-5 missile technology

Iran "finding ways" to supply more weapons to Hamas
 
Is Gaza allowed to enter independent trade agreements with other nations?

They clearly have no trouble with trade agreements with Iran.
What trade agreements do they have?
One really cannot call it trade, what occurs between Gaza and Iran.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Iran Supplies All Weapons in Gaza

Iran supplied Hamas with Fajr-5 missile technology

Iran "finding ways" to supply more weapons to Hamas
ok....

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish? Or West Bank?
 
Is Gaza allowed to enter independent trade agreements with other nations?

They clearly have no trouble with trade agreements with Iran.
What trade agreements do they have?
One really cannot call it trade, what occurs between Gaza and Iran.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Iran Supplies All Weapons in Gaza

Iran supplied Hamas with Fajr-5 missile technology

Iran "finding ways" to supply more weapons to Hamas
ok....

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish? Or West Bank?

I cannot believe we are still talking about this. If Mexico treated the US the way Hamas treats Israel there would be no more Mexico.
 
Is Gaza allowed to enter independent trade agreements with other nations?

They clearly have no trouble with trade agreements with Iran.
What trade agreements do they have?
One really cannot call it trade, what occurs between Gaza and Iran.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Iran Supplies All Weapons in Gaza

Iran supplied Hamas with Fajr-5 missile technology

Iran "finding ways" to supply more weapons to Hamas
ok....

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish? Or West Bank?
Do you have any idea why there might not be actual direct trades between Hamas/Gaza and Europe or other countries?

They already attempt to pass items to use to attack Israel via the free truck which go into Gaza on a daily basis.

What do you think that Hamas would be more than interested in importing into Gaza?

And what has Hamas done to allow exports (although they do exist via Israel) from Gaza?

How does Hamas allow agriculture to flourish?

Exports? Here :

Gisha | Exit of goods from Gaza via Kerem Shalom Crossing

The same goes for the "West Bank"

What would they import? Weapons to attack Israel with.


Someone may have a better article of exports from Gaza than this one.
 
There is a lot of sniping and extreme off topic diversions occurring. Once again...we cleaned and this time warnings and thread bans occurred...

If it continues, we will have more thread bans.
 
Is Gaza allowed to enter independent trade agreements with other nations?

They clearly have no trouble with trade agreements with Iran.
What trade agreements do they have?
One really cannot call it trade, what occurs between Gaza and Iran.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Iran Supplies All Weapons in Gaza

Iran supplied Hamas with Fajr-5 missile technology

Iran "finding ways" to supply more weapons to Hamas
ok....

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish? Or West Bank?

I cannot believe we are still talking about this. If Mexico treated the US the way Hamas treats Israel there would be no more Mexico.
Can you answer the question? If we are removing aid what trade options exist?
 
Is Gaza allowed to enter independent trade agreements with other nations?

They clearly have no trouble with trade agreements with Iran.
What trade agreements do they have?
One really cannot call it trade, what occurs between Gaza and Iran.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Iran Supplies All Weapons in Gaza

Iran supplied Hamas with Fajr-5 missile technology

Iran "finding ways" to supply more weapons to Hamas
ok....

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish? Or West Bank?
Do you have any idea why there might not be actual direct trades between Hamas/Gaza and Europe or other countries?

They already attempt to pass items to use to attack Israel via the free truck which go into Gaza on a daily basis.

What do you think that Hamas would be more than interested in importing into Gaza?

And what has Hamas done to allow exports (although they do exist via Israel) from Gaza?

How does Hamas allow agriculture to flourish?

Exports? Here :

Gisha | Exit of goods from Gaza via Kerem Shalom Crossing

The same goes for the "West Bank"

What would they import? Weapons to attack Israel with.


Someone may have a better article of exports from Gaza than this one.
How about starting with the first step instead of whataboutisms. DO they have trade the ability to form trade agreements with other nations?
 
They clearly have no trouble with trade agreements with Iran.
What trade agreements do they have?
One really cannot call it trade, what occurs between Gaza and Iran.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Iran Supplies All Weapons in Gaza

Iran supplied Hamas with Fajr-5 missile technology

Iran "finding ways" to supply more weapons to Hamas
ok....

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish? Or West Bank?

I cannot believe we are still talking about this. If Mexico treated the US the way Hamas treats Israel there would be no more Mexico.
Can you answer the question? If we are removing aid what trade options exist?

ZERO. Gaza is a terror state run by a terror group. They have zero trade rights. Similarly how prisoners don't have any consumer rights when they are in prison.
 
ok....

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish? Or West Bank?

I cannot believe we are still talking about this. If Mexico treated the US the way Hamas treats Israel there would be no more Mexico.
Can you answer the question? If we are removing aid what trade options exist?

ZERO. Gaza is a terror state run by a terror group. They have zero trade rights. Similarly how prisoners don't have any consumer rights when they are in prison.
Do they have zero ability to grow their economy.

What about West Bank?
 
For how long?

I have never seen time limits placed on aid. Presumably until it is no longer needed, or otherwise ended.

This can only happen with clear frames and outlined goals, including time limits.
Otherwise You can't make a distinction when it is actually needed.

Junkies on the streets "need aid", does it help or worsen the situation if You give 'em Your paycheck with no conditions? A road to where is paved with good intentions?

How do you determine time limits when you are dealing with a catastrophic drought, or a civil war ? I agree on conditions though.

By applying the same standards as in similar cases.
The US, unfortunately has vast experience of dealing with catastrophic events on its' soil.

As for the civil war between Hamas and PLO all aid should be stopped, dry them up until all weapons they've left is forks. In my opinion only viable investment is in regional cooperation and normalization,anything else is counterproductive and prolonging the problem.
Aid for prograns like that is part of what was cut.

That's what You say, yet when asked to show one such effective program You come back with some kumbaya hippie dance classes.
 
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ok....

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish? Or West Bank?

I cannot believe we are still talking about this. If Mexico treated the US the way Hamas treats Israel there would be no more Mexico.
Can you answer the question? If we are removing aid what trade options exist?

ZERO. Gaza is a terror state run by a terror group. They have zero trade rights. Similarly how prisoners don't have any consumer rights when they are in prison.
Do they have zero ability to grow their economy.

What about West Bank?

ZERO. Until Hamas is voted out. Cannot deal with internationally recognized terror groups. WB and Fatah is different. I would work with them although Fatah is corrupt they are not nearly as bad as Hamas. That being said I don't see a two state solution. I see 90% of the palestinians going elsewhere and 10% absorbed by Israel. One state but mostly Jewish.

I could of course be wrong.
 
ok....

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish? Or West Bank?

I cannot believe we are still talking about this. If Mexico treated the US the way Hamas treats Israel there would be no more Mexico.
Can you answer the question? If we are removing aid what trade options exist?

ZERO. Gaza is a terror state run by a terror group. They have zero trade rights. Similarly how prisoners don't have any consumer rights when they are in prison.
Do they have zero ability to grow their economy.

What about West Bank?

ZERO. Until Hamas is voted out. Cannot deal with internationally recognized terror groups. WB and Fatah is different. I would work with them although Fatah is corrupt they are not nearly as bad as Hamas. That being said I don't see a two state solution. I see 90% of the palestinians going elsewhere and 10% absorbed by Israel. One state but mostly Jewish.

I could of course be wrong.

PLO and Hamas are not different, Hamas is just more barbaric and open about their intentions, while PLO members who received western education use more "polite" language (if one could really call it like that, for lack of better term) to describe their genocidal intentions.

It's basically a poor parody of bad/good cop - both are professional racketeers.
 
ok....

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish? Or West Bank?

I cannot believe we are still talking about this. If Mexico treated the US the way Hamas treats Israel there would be no more Mexico.
Can you answer the question? If we are removing aid what trade options exist?

ZERO. Gaza is a terror state run by a terror group. They have zero trade rights. Similarly how prisoners don't have any consumer rights when they are in prison.
Do they have zero ability to grow their economy.

What about West Bank?
You do know very well that there are people in Gaza and West Bank who are farmers and have always grown their own food and necessities.

Gaza receives endless truckloads with necessities. They are not missing on anything.

Hamas and the PA continue to chose to take the aid and put it into their pockets, as much as they can.

That is the aid which is being put a stop to.

They have unemployment?
Ask Hamas and the PA why they refuse to create jobs, or why the PA sometimes comes up with the decision to stop Palestinians from working in Jewish settlements or in Israel?

And especially ask, why those very same Palestinians have given a thumbs down to the PA and gone to work for Jews in area C and in Israel, regardless of what Abbas wants or thinks they should be doing.

Which is to strike against the Jews and Israel and do without the money they need to have a decent living.
 
They clearly have no trouble with trade agreements with Iran.
What trade agreements do they have?
One really cannot call it trade, what occurs between Gaza and Iran.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Iran Supplies All Weapons in Gaza

Iran supplied Hamas with Fajr-5 missile technology

Iran "finding ways" to supply more weapons to Hamas
ok....

Then what real trade agreements has Gaza been able to establish? Or West Bank?
Do you have any idea why there might not be actual direct trades between Hamas/Gaza and Europe or other countries?

They already attempt to pass items to use to attack Israel via the free truck which go into Gaza on a daily basis.

What do you think that Hamas would be more than interested in importing into Gaza?

And what has Hamas done to allow exports (although they do exist via Israel) from Gaza?

How does Hamas allow agriculture to flourish?

Exports? Here :

Gisha | Exit of goods from Gaza via Kerem Shalom Crossing

The same goes for the "West Bank"

What would they import? Weapons to attack Israel with.


Someone may have a better article of exports from Gaza than this one.
How about starting with the first step instead of whataboutisms. DO they have trade the ability to form trade agreements with other nations?

They could start with Egypt,
once they stop all the contraband from Sinai, cooperation with ISIS and Iranian militias.

It's ridiculous to play the victim card in this situation, when they consistently choose to align with everyone's enemy in the region.
 
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