Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians

[USAF 2023]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ Coyote, et al,

Any country that has fought a series of conventional attacks, AND in the background, a continuous series of low-intensity asymmetric engagements, conflicts → that will have been involved in events that are uncompromisingly wrong and events that are indefensible. It has been over seventy years now that the conflict rages. And Israel is due their share of "Criticism." No country in history of can be on the defensive, for 70 years, against against both sparatic high intensity conventional Mechanized ground war, supremacy for the skies, protection from the sea-borne threat and still have to face the violent struggle among state and non-state actors for legitimacy and influence over the future political processes and the defense of a nation.

Unfortunately YES!

No country facing the continuous level and magnitude of Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters can honestly say that every decision made over that duration of time (70 years) can state that every decision made was morally correct and justifiably enacted. Israel has implemented actions that have, from time to time, uncompromisingly wrong and indefensible.

I agree, but while I hear plenty of (often valid) criticism of the Palestinians, criticism of Israel is met with fierce denial and redirection.

(COMMENT)

But remember. The Arab Palestinians have been continuously hostile. Since the adoption of tactics that included the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

An overwhelming majority of the actions taken by the Arab Palestinians are violations of some law, but is overlooked by those passing judgment on Israel under the color of law. In fact, the Arab Palestinians do it so often that it becomes almost socially acceptable for that behavior.

Most Respectfully,
R

But remember. The Arab Palestinians have been continuously hostile.

i.e. defensive.

Islamic terrorist suicide attacks are defensive?

In his world they are justified

 

[Dogmaphobe]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ Coyote, et al,

Any country that has fought a series of conventional attacks, AND in the background, a continuous series of low-intensity asymmetric engagements, conflicts → that will have been involved in events that are uncompromisingly wrong and events that are indefensible. It has been over seventy years now that the conflict rages. And Israel is due their share of "Criticism." No country in history of can be on the defensive, for 70 years, against against both sparatic high intensity conventional Mechanized ground war, supremacy for the skies, protection from the sea-borne threat and still have to face the violent struggle among state and non-state actors for legitimacy and influence over the future political processes and the defense of a nation.

Unfortunately YES!

No country facing the continuous level and magnitude of Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters can honestly say that every decision made over that duration of time (70 years) can state that every decision made was morally correct and justifiably enacted. Israel has implemented actions that have, from time to time, uncompromisingly wrong and indefensible.

I agree, but while I hear plenty of (often valid) criticism of the Palestinians, criticism of Israel is met with fierce denial and redirection.

(COMMENT)

But remember. The Arab Palestinians have been continuously hostile. Since the adoption of tactics that included the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

An overwhelming majority of the actions taken by the Arab Palestinians are violations of some law, but is overlooked by those passing judgment on Israel under the color of law. In fact, the Arab Palestinians do it so often that it becomes almost socially acceptable for that behavior.

Most Respectfully,
R

But remember. The Arab Palestinians have been continuously hostile.

i.e. defensive.

Islamic terrorist suicide attacks are defensive?

In his world they are justified

Which provides THE most valid reason why these creatures should not receive so much as a single penny of U.S. aid .

 

[member]

I think reducing or altering aid in a strategic fashion is useful, but that is not what is happening.

Strategic aide to Palestine? What would you see as a useful way of reducing or altering aide to Palestine?

Aid that bypasses governments and goes directly to the people. Schools, infrastructure, economic development that directly supports entrepreneurs and small local businesses. Flac pointed the problems Palestinians have because all their trade involves Israel. They need to develop other partnerships. Why haven’t they? Does Israel restrict it? Aid can go towards developing an independent energy and water sources so Israel does not control it. Aid can be strategic by making some of it dependent on certain reforms, such as elections and anti corruption measures.

Flac pointed the problems Palestinians have because all their trade involves Israel. They need to develop other partnerships. Why haven’t they? Does Israel restrict it? Aid can go towards developing an independent energy and water sources so Israel does not control it.

You are hitting on some relevant points.

"Reshaping us aid to the Palestinians..."






"Aid that bypasses governments and goes directly to the people. Schools, infrastructure, economic development that directly supports entrepreneurs and small local businesses. Flac pointed the problems Palestinians have because all their trade involves Israel." They need to develop other partnerships. Why haven’t they? Does Israel restrict it?"

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wait ...what ?



"blah: . . .Flac pointed [out] the problems Palestinians have because all their trade involves Israel."



b o l o g n a.... "pointed [to] the problems palestinians have. . ."





dolt terrorist leaders


+ lazy-ass terrorist-sympathizers. . .



and...



the terrorists themselves......

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[RoccoR]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ ILOVEISRAEL, et al,

This is a one-sided opinion on the part of the various pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) Movements.

International Aid & the Palestinians: Supporting Israel's Occupation?

(COMMENT)

Of course, the other side to that opinion is that America is:

✪ Helping Israel to defend itself against the Arab Palestinians support designated EU terrorist groups like:

• Hamas-Izz al-Din al-Qassem (terrorist wing of Hamas);
• PIJ (Palestinian Islamic Jihad).

✪ Helping Israel perform its duties and employ the necessary measures in it's power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety under Article 43 of the Harue Regulation.

✪ Helping Israel to establish a Rule of Law program (under the 1997 International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings) over the unlawful and intentional use of explosives and other lethal devices which HoAP emply against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive destruction of the public place.

✪ Israel in the enforcement of the 2005 Protocol to the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts against the Safety of Maritime Navigation.

• Criminalizes the use of a ship as a device to further an act of terrorism;
• Criminalizes the transport on board a ship various materials knowing that they are intended to be used to cause, or in a threat to cause, death or serious injury or damage to further an act of terrorism;
• Criminalizes the transporting on board a ship of persons who have committed an act of terrorism; and
• Introduces procedures for governing the boarding of a ship believed to have committed an offence under the Convention.

​

Of course, the pro-HoAP Movements have claimed for decades that they are exempt from the international law that punishes pro-HoAP who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power. The acts by the pro-HoAP which are either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression. This includes the promotions to the effect that the pro-HoAP have some legal right to attack the Israelis.

✪ Any time a people condone the use of forces specifically punishable by Customary and International Humanitarian Law, they are themselves participating in the objective element of a crime; incitement.​

✪ The UN Security Council [S/RES/1624 (2005)] Condemns, in the strongest terms, the incitement of terrorist acts and terrorist acts that may incite further terrorist acts for which the HoAP of the West Bank (including Jerusalem) and Gaza Strip have an established a pattern of criminal behavior.

✪ Reaffirming that acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing, planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations,
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The UN Security Council has called upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and
appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:

(a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;
(b) Prevent such conduct;
(c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct;

✪ Inciting, aiding or abetting, and attempting

1. Each European Union (EU) Member State shall take the necessary measures to ensure that inciting or aiding or abetting an offence --- is made punishable.

2. Each EU Member State shall take the necessary measures to ensure that attempting to commit an offence referred --- is made punishable.
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This is what it is all about. The pro-HoAP believe that they are a special circumstance and should be exempt from the Customary IHL and Criminalization of the acts they promote. They should remember that:

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

We agree that the economy needs to be developed. How best to do that?

We do? Maybe they don’t have the funds. Their economy is in shambles.

Are you arguing that PA does not have enough resources to support its people? Or are you arguing that the Palestinian economy needs to be developed? Or are you arguing that they have the resources, but are misallocating them?

All three to some extent.

It lacks much in the way of resources, it needs to be developed and corruption is a problem.

I disagree vehemently that they lack adequate resources. They lack adequate will.

We agree that the economy needs to be developed. How best to do that?

Misallocation of resources is a problem. How best to fix that?

Get Israel out of the way.

Be more specific. What do you mean by that?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

There is no such thing as defensive terrorism.

But remember. The Arab Palestinians have been continuously hostile.

i.e. defensive.

(COMMENT)

Offenses linked to terrorist activities

(a) aggravated theft with a view to committing one of the acts of terrorism;
(b) extortion with a view to the perpetration of one of the acts of terrorism;
(c) drawing up false administrative documents with a view to committing one of the acts of terrorism.​

Terrorist offenses and fundamental rights and principles

→ seriously intimidating a population, or

→ unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or

→ seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation,​

Customary and Statutory Law in the European Union, and other Nations of the World, define terrorist offenses:

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;
(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
(f) manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
(g) release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
(h) interfering with or disrupting the supply of water, power or any other fundamental natural resource the effect of which is to endanger human life;
(i) threatening to commit any of the acts listed in (a) to (h).​

IF the Arab Palestinian has committed any of these offenses, to further their political agenda or the campaign against the Israeli sovereignty, THEN they Arab Palestinian CAN NOT consider themselves anything but Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters operating with the tactic of terrorism.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

The problem with this whole thread is that, once again, someone else is supposed to be responsible for the Palestinian people.

That has to stop happening. Whether the Palestinian people take care of themselves on a small territory or a larger territory or even on the whole territory, ultimately it has to be them taking care of themselves.

The conflict simply can't end until they do. Until they love their children more than they want to kill ours.

Whether the Palestinian people take care of themselves on a small territory or a larger territory or even on the whole territory, ultimately it has to be them taking care of themselves.

But how do you get Israel to stop keeping that from happening?

How is Israel preventing Palestine and Gaza from doing such things as paying the bills to the hospitals? Or maintaining the infrastructure of the water supply? As examples.

 

[P F Tinmore]

✪ Helping Israel to defend itself against the Arab Palestinians support designated EU terrorist groups like:

I am having trouble with the concept of people attacking from their home. Don't you have to go someplace to attack?

Like, did we "attack" the British in 1812?

 

[Shusha]

Defensive terrorism.

Can it get any more ridiculous? Oh wait don't answer that. I know it can. Slow genocide.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Customary and Statutory Law in the European Union, and other Nations of the World, define terrorist offenses:

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;
(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
(f) manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
(g) release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
(h) interfering with or disrupting the supply of water, power or any other fundamental natural resource the effect of which is to endanger human life;
(i) threatening to commit any of the acts listed in (a) to (h).

Well, that defines Israel.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

The problem with this whole thread is that, once again, someone else is supposed to be responsible for the Palestinian people.

That has to stop happening. Whether the Palestinian people take care of themselves on a small territory or a larger territory or even on the whole territory, ultimately it has to be them taking care of themselves.

The conflict simply can't end until they do. Until they love their children more than they want to kill ours.

Whether the Palestinian people take care of themselves on a small territory or a larger territory or even on the whole territory, ultimately it has to be them taking care of themselves.

But how do you get Israel to stop keeping that from happening?

How is Israel preventing Palestine and Gaza from doing such things as paying the bills to the hospitals? Or maintaining the infrastructure of the water supply? As examples.

By withholding water?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, you are wrong... But I can see that there is no changing your mind. (See Posting #904)

Well, that defines Israel.

(COMMENT)

There is a difference between:

✪ The Israelis in the role of the Occupation Power in support of the protection of sovereignty and territorial integrity... using the same methods as any similar conventional warfare appartus of the 21st Century.
............................................................................ •• AND ••
✪ The Arab Palestinians using terrorist acts to intentionally prevent the success in the establishment of order and safety.​

For so long as the Arab Palestinian see Armed Struggle and Jihadism/Radical Activism as the preferred method of diplomacy over the Principles of the Rule of Law - and - Principles of Freindly Relations, so long will they paint themselves as standing outside the International Conventions, the Heague Regulations, with the Customary and International Humanitarian Law.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, you are wrong... But I can see that there is no changing your mind. (See Posting #904)

Well, that defines Israel.

(COMMENT)

There is a difference between:

✪ The Israelis in the role of the Occupation Power in support of the protection of sovereignty and territorial integrity... using the same methods as any similar conventional warfare appartus of the 21st Century.
............................................................................ •• AND ••
✪ The Arab Palestinians using terrorist acts to intentionally prevent the success in the establishment of order and safety.​

For so long as the Arab Palestinian see Armed Struggle and Jihadism/Radical Activism as the preferred method of diplomacy over the Principles of the Rule of Law - and - Principles of Freindly Relations, so long will they paint themselves as standing outside the International Conventions, the Heague Regulations, with the Customary and International Humanitarian Law.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel attacks Palestinians in Palestine.

Palestinians attack Israelis in Palestine.

So why do the Palestinian get called terrorists?

 

[Coyote]

Is Gaza allowed to enter independent trade agreements with other nations?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, the flaw!

Israel attacks Palestinians in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Israel (1948 - to - Present) did not initiate any attack on the Arab Palestinians. It was a matter of retaliation and response to attacks and acts of aggression.

Palestinians attack Israelis in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians initiated several thousand attacks on Israel.
Even the latest attacks at the border were initiated by the Arab Palestinians.

So why do the Palestinian get called terrorists?

(COMMENT)

One more time, see Posting See Posting #904.

Without writing my own book, I think Posting #904 condenses it all down to the salient points most talked about.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[USAF 2023]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, the flaw!

Israel attacks Palestinians in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Israel (1948 - to - Present) did not initiate any attack on the Arab Palestinians. It was a matter of retaliation and response to attacks and acts of aggression.

Palestinians attack Israelis in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians initiated several thousand attacks on Israel.
Even the latest attacks at the border were initiated by the Arab Palestinians.

So why do the Palestinian get called terrorists?

(COMMENT)

One more time, see Posting See Posting #904.

Without writing my own book, I think Posting #904 condenses it all down to the salient points most talked about.

Most Respectfully,
R

After all this time I am finally getting it! He considers Israel to be part of “ Palestine “ so that is his rationale.

 

[Mindful]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, the flaw!

Israel attacks Palestinians in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Israel (1948 - to - Present) did not initiate any attack on the Arab Palestinians. It was a matter of retaliation and response to attacks and acts of aggression.

Palestinians attack Israelis in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians initiated several thousand attacks on Israel.
Even the latest attacks at the border were initiated by the Arab Palestinians.

So why do the Palestinian get called terrorists?

(COMMENT)

One more time, see Posting See Posting #904.

Without writing my own book, I think Posting #904 condenses it all down to the salient points most talked about.

Most Respectfully,
R

After all this time I am finally getting it! He considers Israel to be part of “ Palestine “ so that is his rationale.

Has he said anything about Jordan?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel (1948 - to - Present) did not initiate any attack on the Arab Palestinians. It was a matter of retaliation and response to attacks and acts of aggression.

Then what were they doing in Palestine?

 

[USAF 2023]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, the flaw!

Israel attacks Palestinians in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Israel (1948 - to - Present) did not initiate any attack on the Arab Palestinians. It was a matter of retaliation and response to attacks and acts of aggression.

Palestinians attack Israelis in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians initiated several thousand attacks on Israel.
Even the latest attacks at the border were initiated by the Arab Palestinians.

So why do the Palestinian get called terrorists?

(COMMENT)

One more time, see Posting See Posting #904.

Without writing my own book, I think Posting #904 condenses it all down to the salient points most talked about.

Most Respectfully,
R

After all this time I am finally getting it! He considers Israel to be part of “ Palestine “ so that is his rationale.

Has he said anything about Jordan?

Israel (1948 - to - Present) did not initiate any attack on the Arab Palestinians. It was a matter of retaliation and response to attacks and acts of aggression.

Then what were they doing in Palestine?

Here we go again. The man who puts his foot in his mouth everytime he posts; “

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You've only asked half a question.

Israel (1948 - to - Present) did not initiate any attack on the Arab Palestinians. It was a matter of retaliation and response to attacks and acts of aggression.

Then what were they doing in Palestine?

(CLARIFICATION)

Q: "[W]hat were they doing in Palestine?"

RESPONSE: WHEN? 1948, 1967, 1973, 1994, yesterday - today → just when?

You have to give me a date and location...

v/r
R