Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians

[P F Tinmore]

No Jew was permitted to live in Judea and Samaria during the Jordanian occupation.

Looking back: the right of the Jewish people to settle in the WHOLE of the Mandated territory. Article 6 of the Mandate encouraged "close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands not required for public use."

That was for Palestinian citizens.

Citizens of what? There was no country.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

 

[Mindful]

No Jew was permitted to live in Judea and Samaria during the Jordanian occupation.

Looking back: the right of the Jewish people to settle in the WHOLE of the Mandated territory. Article 6 of the Mandate encouraged "close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands not required for public use."

That was for Palestinian citizens.

Citizens of what? There was no country.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

So if there is a nation of Palestine, what's all the fuss about?

 

[rylah]

They aren't? The problem with Jews moving into Palestine is that they always bring Israel with them. If Miko Peled, for example, built a house in Nabi Saleh I don't think anyone would have a problem with it.

And You don't see how racist is this statement?

+No. What is racist about it?

Because this is the same rhetoric that was used to ethnically cleanse
all of Middle Eastern Jews from Arab countries.

Also it's the same racist rhetoric that was used by Kant to justify discrimination against Jews in Europe, the only difference is that in the same 18th century racism, he referred to Jews as "Palestinians among us".

What is racist about a Jew living in a Palestinian village?

Because You use a BDS activist who promotes the most vile antisemitic bigotry,
openly and without shame :"Jews have reputation 4being sleazy thieves" as a standard for which Jews are "allowed".

And You still don't understand why BDS is called for its' antisemitism?

 

[P F Tinmore]

No Jew was permitted to live in Judea and Samaria during the Jordanian occupation.

Looking back: the right of the Jewish people to settle in the WHOLE of the Mandated territory. Article 6 of the Mandate encouraged "close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands not required for public use."

That was for Palestinian citizens.

Citizens of what? There was no country.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

So if there is a nation of Palestine, what's all the fuss about?

The Palestinians get a lot of backlash for wanting to go back home.

 

[Hollie]

No Jew was permitted to live in Judea and Samaria during the Jordanian occupation.

Looking back: the right of the Jewish people to settle in the WHOLE of the Mandated territory. Article 6 of the Mandate encouraged "close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands not required for public use."

That was for Palestinian citizens.

Citizens of what? There was no country.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

So if there is a nation of Palestine, what's all the fuss about?

The Palestinians get a lot of backlash for wanting to go back home.

Jordan, Egypt, Syria, etc., won’t take them back.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They aren't? The problem with Jews moving into Palestine is that they always bring Israel with them. If Miko Peled, for example, built a house in Nabi Saleh I don't think anyone would have a problem with it.

And You don't see how racist is this statement?

+No. What is racist about it?

Because this is the same rhetoric that was used to ethnically cleanse
all of Middle Eastern Jews from Arab countries.

Also it's the same racist rhetoric that was used by Kant to justify discrimination against Jews in Europe, the only difference is that in the same 18th century racism, he referred to Jews as "Palestinians among us".

What is racist about a Jew living in a Palestinian village?

Because You use a BDS activist who promotes the most vile antisemitic bigotry,
openly and without shame :"Jews have reputation 4being sleazy thieves" as a standard for which Jews are "allowed".

And You still don't understand why BDS is called for its' antisemitism?

I don't know, it as taken out of context.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That was for Palestinian citizens.

Citizens of what? There was no country.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

So if there is a nation of Palestine, what's all the fuss about?

The Palestinians get a lot of backlash for wanting to go back home.

Jordan, Egypt, Syria, etc., won’t take them back.

Of course not. They didn't live there.

 

[Hollie]

Citizens of what? There was no country.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

So if there is a nation of Palestine, what's all the fuss about?

The Palestinians get a lot of backlash for wanting to go back home.

Jordan, Egypt, Syria, etc., won’t take them back.

Of course not. They didn't live there.

Of course not. Jordan, Egypt, Syria, etc., won’t take them back.

 

[Windparadox]

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How much US aid to Palestine is actually used for graft, personal enrichment and continued warfare?

 

[Mindful]

No Jew was permitted to live in Judea and Samaria during the Jordanian occupation.

Looking back: the right of the Jewish people to settle in the WHOLE of the Mandated territory. Article 6 of the Mandate encouraged "close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands not required for public use."

That was for Palestinian citizens.

Citizens of what? There was no country.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

So if there is a nation of Palestine, what's all the fuss about?

The Palestinians get a lot of backlash for wanting to go back home.

Is that some sort of non sequitur?

 

[Coyote]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ Coyote, et al,

Like I said earlier, most productive aid is given to allies, to assist them in their human development projects. As you can see for yourself, reading the 2018 Human Development Index (and its components), Israel ranks 22 out of the 189 countries ranked. It is the than any of the Middle Eastern States, any State in the Arab League or Persian Gulf. It ranks higher than any African State, any State in Central Asia, and South East Asia.

Israel must be doing something right if the next highest ranked Arab League (including any State in the MIddle East and Persian Gulf, Africa, Central Asia, and South East Asia ) is #34 United Arab Emirates (UAE only independence in 1971, has witnessed an economic growth of 231 times to 1.45 trillion AED in 2013.), closely followed by #37 Qatar,* #39 Saudi Arabia and #48 Oman.

The State of Palestine ranked 119th; just above Iraq.

One observation to make is: You don't have to be among the richest nations of the world to direct your resources properly and develop in all the ways that Human Development benefits the citizenry.

View attachment 217459
✪ Excerpt of World Atlas Chart
On the basis of GDP (nominal) per capita, Qatar is the richest country among the 22 member states of the Arab League.
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When Israel out ranks all it's (not so friendly - and then so) neighbors, then our aid to Israel is money well spent, and not going down the blackhole.

* Qatar is the richest country in the world with a per capita income of $124,930. Qatar has a well-developed oil exploration industry where the petroleum industry accounts for 70% of its government revenue, 60% of its GDP and 85% of its export earnings.

Who is really affected by cutting humanitarian aid? Much of what is cut doesn’t go through the government. If the governments alone should be taking care of their people why are we giving any aid to anyone? Or does this only apply to the Palestinians?
And who is helped? Hamas.

(COMMENT)

"Human development is about human freedoms. It is about building human capabilities—not just for a few, not even for most, but for everyone."ª The Arab Palestinians just don't get it. If they were to divert their attention to reinvesting in their country, instead of fight with police, attacking Israelis, and creating havoc, they could be much better off. But they have a corrupt and ineffective leadership. If all these JDs and PhD that make the videos that our friend "P F Tinmore" presents to us ⇒ focused their energies into building the self-governing institutions of tomorrow, the West Bank and Gaza Strip would not be in the shape it is in today.

____________________________________
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ª Human development indices and indicators 2018 statistical update

Most Respectfully,
R

Those are all good points and I agree to an extent...except for this.
Among those receiving aid are countries with pretty abysmal human development records, Such as Iraq and Afghanistan, both in the top ten of aid recipients. Are the Palestinians so much worse? The DR Congo receives more aid than Palestinians but what a mess they are in terms of human development. So why are the Palestinians singled out?

Here are the arguments I have seen presented in this thread, boiled down.

1. Aid is given to countries that are poor and need it. Palestinians should not get it because their government is corrupt and mismanaged its resources, yet in the list of top countries receiving aid ... many fall into that category. Corruption is endemic and one of the huge and frustrating problems with economic aid is and always has been getting to the people rather than simply enriching a few through the government.

2. Palestinians don’t like us. They are anti American. They aren’t are friend. As Sixties pointed out however, that has never been a requirement for economic or humanitarian aid, and in the list of countries receiving aid are many who aren’t too crazy about Americans.

3. Aid is dependent on how well it is used in human development. I would argue that hospitals and education, especially of girls is a good use. In addition it covers a myriad of smaller development programs such as agriculture where the results have been fruitful. When you add to that the fact that they operate under divided corrupt ineffective leadership (as do other countries getting aid), they have no nation, are subject to Israeli control for electricity and water among other things and have limited ability to form independent ventures with other nations...it is not surprising the results are sketchy. But again...how are they different then other aid recipients listed.

4. They get aid way disproportionately per capital than other needy nations. Why the Pakestinians? But if that is true, Israel ranks right up there receiving economic aid in the billions not millions. Add to that Israel is economically developed, good economy, good standard of living...using the arguments presented one has to ask why is it getting any?

Each argument singles Palestinians out for things other aid recipients have in common. So the question really why Palestinians?

 

[dannyboys]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ Coyote, et al,

Like I said earlier, most productive aid is given to allies, to assist them in their human development projects. As you can see for yourself, reading the 2018 Human Development Index (and its components), Israel ranks 22 out of the 189 countries ranked. It is the than any of the Middle Eastern States, any State in the Arab League or Persian Gulf. It ranks higher than any African State, any State in Central Asia, and South East Asia.

Israel must be doing something right if the next highest ranked Arab League (including any State in the MIddle East and Persian Gulf, Africa, Central Asia, and South East Asia ) is #34 United Arab Emirates (UAE only independence in 1971, has witnessed an economic growth of 231 times to 1.45 trillion AED in 2013.), closely followed by #37 Qatar,* #39 Saudi Arabia and #48 Oman.

The State of Palestine ranked 119th; just above Iraq.

One observation to make is: You don't have to be among the richest nations of the world to direct your resources properly and develop in all the ways that Human Development benefits the citizenry.

View attachment 217459
✪ Excerpt of World Atlas Chart
On the basis of GDP (nominal) per capita, Qatar is the richest country among the 22 member states of the Arab League.
​

When Israel out ranks all it's (not so friendly - and then so) neighbors, then our aid to Israel is money well spent, and not going down the blackhole.

* Qatar is the richest country in the world with a per capita income of $124,930. Qatar has a well-developed oil exploration industry where the petroleum industry accounts for 70% of its government revenue, 60% of its GDP and 85% of its export earnings.

Who is really affected by cutting humanitarian aid? Much of what is cut doesn’t go through the government. If the governments alone should be taking care of their people why are we giving any aid to anyone? Or does this only apply to the Palestinians?
And who is helped? Hamas.

(COMMENT)

"Human development is about human freedoms. It is about building human capabilities—not just for a few, not even for most, but for everyone."ª The Arab Palestinians just don't get it. If they were to divert their attention to reinvesting in their country, instead of fight with police, attacking Israelis, and creating havoc, they could be much better off. But they have a corrupt and ineffective leadership. If all these JDs and PhD that make the videos that our friend "P F Tinmore" presents to us ⇒ focused their energies into building the self-governing institutions of tomorrow, the West Bank and Gaza Strip would not be in the shape it is in today.

____________________________________
​

ª Human development indices and indicators 2018 statistical update

Most Respectfully,
R

Those are all good points and I agree to an extent...except for this.
Among those receiving aid are countries with pretty abysmal human development records, Such as Iraq and Afghanistan, both in the top ten of aid recipients. Are the Palestinians so much worse? The DR Congo receives more aid than Palestinians but what a mess they are in terms of human development. So why are the Palestinians singled out?

Here are the arguments I have seen presented in this thread, boiled down.

1. Aid is given to countries that are poor and need it. Palestinians should not get it because their government is corrupt and mismanaged its resources, yet in the list of top countries receiving aid ... many fall into that category. Corruption is endemic and one of the huge and frustrating problems with economic aid is and always has been getting to the people rather than simply enriching a few through the government.

2. Palestinians don’t like us. They are anti American. They aren’t are friend. As Sixties pointed out however, that has never been a requirement for economic or humanitarian aid, and in the list of countries receiving aid are many who aren’t too crazy about Americans.

3. Aid is dependent on how well it is used in human development. I would argue that hospitals and education, especially of girls is a good use. In addition it covers a myriad of smaller development programs such as agriculture where the results have been fruitful. When you add to that the fact that they operate under divided corrupt ineffective leadership (as do other countries getting aid), they have no nation, are subject to Israeli control for electricity and water among other things and have limited ability to form independent ventures with other nations...it is not surprising the results are sketchy. But again...how are they different then other aid recipients listed.

4. They get aid way disproportionately per capital than other needy nations. Why the Pakestinians? But if that is true, Israel ranks right up there receiving economic aid in the billions not millions. Add to that Israel is economically developed, good economy, good standard of living...using the arguments presented one has to ask why is it getting any?

Each argument singles Palestinians out for things other aid recipients have in common. So the question really why Palestinians?

You want the truth?
The arabs and the jews have been at war with each other for centuries........and you know it.
In the twentieth century the arabs cast their lot with the Germans.............during both world wars........hoping to watch the germans basically exterminate every jew on the planet. (The arabs were too ******* stupid to realise that once the nazis were finished with the jews the nazis were going to exterminate every arab sand-monkey on the planet.)
As you know that's not how things turned out.
When it came time to divide up the spoils from WW11 the world basically told the arabs to go **** themselves and the Jews were officially given their ancient homeland back.
That's where we are now.
In a hundred years the State of Israel will be even greater and the sand-monkeys will still be eating sand.

 

[P F Tinmore]

`
How much US aid to Palestine is actually used for graft, personal enrichment and continued warfare?

 

[rylah]

`
How much US aid to Palestine is actually used for graft, personal enrichment and continued warfare?

1.The PA blocks aid from Gaza because Hamas attempt to murder their PM
Israel and the US is blamed for that.

2. Egypt closes its' borders with Egypt because of Palestinian attacks against their border,
Israel and the US is blamed for that as well.

Nothing in Palestinian policy assumes responsibility on their side to develop cooperation.
Why do they deserve aid if this is another tool to attack the US?

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Palestinian Governing Authorities Support Terror and Should Be Cut Off

 

[Sixties Fan]

In related news, Jordan is upset over the UNRWA cuts, because it doesn't have the money to make up for lost (free) UNRWA services to two million of its citizens. The sob stories aren't exactly sob stories, though:
Caught in the budget battle are people like Saadi Shalaan. The 57-year-old electrical engineer, a Jordanian citizen whose parents were born near Jerusalem, sends his children to free Unrwa schools in the Wihdat refugee camp where they live. Private schools are too expensive, he said. Public schools are overcrowded and unable to accommodate more students, officials say.Why exactly does he deserve free education for his kids again?
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The Trump administration said it would make up for the UNRWA shortfall by directly paying governments to build the proper schools it should have built for its own people 70 years ago. The entire reason Jordan didn't do it is because the world was paying the bill for millions of its own citizens. Why should that continue?

UNRWA can fix its budget problems in a minute by admitting there are no "refugees" in the West Bank, Gaza or Jordan, since they are living in "Palestine" or are citizens (with a small number of exceptions of Gazans who went to Jordan in 1967.) The governments in charge should pay for their people's education, not the world. That's 80% of UNRWA's budget right there that should be slashed instantly, with the funds being transferred to the PA and Jordan earmarked to mainstream fake refugees into the mainstream, where they belong.

(full article online)

Another @UNRWA fundraising lie: it is not "secular." UNRWA schools teach the Quran (and martyrdom.) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ dannyboys, Coyote, et al,

I don't think that the Arab Palestinians were being singled out; although it is a matter of perceptions. But if you examine the dates of independence, you will notice that the age of the Muslim Countries involved in the 1948 War of Independence for Israel, they were all less than 50 years old. Some of them were less than a decade old.

• Lebanon: Independence Day, 22 November (1943)
• Syria: Independence Day, 17 April (1946)
• Jordan: Independence Day, 25 May (1946)
• Egypt: Independence 28 February 1922 (from UK)
• Iraq: Independence 3 October 1932 (from Mandate under British administration)​

Each argument singles Palestinians out for things other aid recipients have in common. So the question really why Palestinians?

You want the truth?
The arabs and the jews have been at war with each other for centuries.........

(COMMENT)

Well, the entire Middle East had been involved in coflicts of one sort or another for centuries (yes), but the Hebrew/Jewish leadership had no sovereignty (no wars to defend sovereignty or religion) since about the time of the fall of Masada to the Romans; anywhere in the region.

These principal countries had young and inexperienced leaders in both foreign affairs and the extendion of military force as a tool of diplomacy. They were apt to make mistakes; especially in the environment of making decisions as a consolidated coalition that discourages creativity alternatives to armed conflict. The factions of the Arab Palestinians to this day still exhibit this problem. There has been 70 years since the 1948 War of Independence, and the Arab Palestinians still cannot mange to form a government which see peace as a primary objective and the people a primary concern.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

No Jew was permitted to live in Judea and Samaria during the Jordanian occupation.

Looking back: the right of the Jewish people to settle in the WHOLE of the Mandated territory. Article 6 of the Mandate encouraged "close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands not required for public use."

That was for Palestinian citizens.

Citizens of what? There was no country.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

So if there is a nation of Palestine, what's all the fuss about?

The Palestinians get a lot of backlash for wanting to go back home.

Compared to who? The Jews?

 

[Shusha]

Do you want to know why I really think Trump cut funding to Palestine?

Its because Trump since day one has wanted to put the little "Israel/Palestine Peace Agreement" as a notch in his political bedpost to make his pp look bigger. He imagines himself to be a businessman getting the business done and playing hardball is the way to do it, in his narcissistic mind.

 

[Coyote]

In related news, Jordan is upset over the UNRWA cuts, because it doesn't have the money to make up for lost (free) UNRWA services to two million of its citizens. The sob stories aren't exactly sob stories, though:
Caught in the budget battle are people like Saadi Shalaan. The 57-year-old electrical engineer, a Jordanian citizen whose parents were born near Jerusalem, sends his children to free Unrwa schools in the Wihdat refugee camp where they live. Private schools are too expensive, he said. Public schools are overcrowded and unable to accommodate more students, officials say.Why exactly does he deserve free education for his kids again?
-----------------

The Trump administration said it would make up for the UNRWA shortfall by directly paying governments to build the proper schools it should have built for its own people 70 years ago. The entire reason Jordan didn't do it is because the world was paying the bill for millions of its own citizens. Why should that continue?

UNRWA can fix its budget problems in a minute by admitting there are no "refugees" in the West Bank, Gaza or Jordan, since they are living in "Palestine" or are citizens (with a small number of exceptions of Gazans who went to Jordan in 1967.) The governments in charge should pay for their people's education, not the world. That's 80% of UNRWA's budget right there that should be slashed instantly, with the funds being transferred to the PA and Jordan earmarked to mainstream fake refugees into the mainstream, where they belong.

(full article online)

Another @UNRWA fundraising lie: it is not "secular." UNRWA schools teach the Quran (and martyrdom.) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Before dissing Jordan it might be useful to remember that they are housing some 1.4 million Syrian refugees on top of Palestinians.