Republicans won’t be satisfied with overturning Roe

[hadit]

NotfooledbyW said: No female who wishes not to become a mother is able to strip any male of his reproductive rights. Every male is free to find a woman that will have sex with him and be willing to give birth to his child.

NotfooledbyW said: Where is a reproductive right taken away from the stupid magamale when the woman who does not want to have a child ends up getting pregnant

Add to that; And charges her mind afterwards. - which is to decide to keep it when the hormones kick in.

When those hormones kick in a few months after having sex, this woman is going to probably want to have a relationship with the child’s father. Now if the guy is a total worthless piece of shit and she does not want to have anything to do with him. That’s a matter for another day.

But. Still, the guys reproductive rights have not been taken away unless She is the last woman on earth he could ever ever ever have sex with,

That is not under her control is it?

but if the government can force full-term gestation on a woman against her will and she dies, she has lost more than a reproductive right. She has lost her life.

She loses her life because white Republican medieval Christian males want to control their bodies.

The only way she does not strip him of his reproductive rights is to acknowledge that he's already reproduced by getting her pregnant, but you don't want to admit that, right?

 

[hadit]

I do not care, it is wrong to not designate it as a human being, fetus, zygote, glob of cells are terms thrown around by abortion supporters to ease the guilt of supporting something barbaric in nature.

Biology insists that a developing baby is a human being. Have them try this, walk up to a happily pregnant woman and congratulate her on the zebra she's growing inside of her.

 

[Frankenstein]

I designate it to be a human being in a zygote, embryo or fetus stage of human development, lacking ensoulment until birth as is common and emotion Jewish in all civilized mankind’s belief systems.


NotfooledbyW cmxxxvi. Findlaw link:

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court/410/113.html

It should be sufficient to note briefly the wide divergence of thinking on this most sensitive and difficult question. There has always been strong support for the view that life does not begin until live birth. This was the belief of the Stoics. 56 It appears to be the predominant, though not the unanimous, attitude of the Jewish faith. 57 It may be taken to represent also the position of a large segment of the Protestant community, insofar as that can be ascertained; organized groups that have taken a formal position on the abortion issue have generally regarded abortion as a matter for the conscience of the individual and her family. 58As we have noted, the common law found greater significance in quickening. Physicians and their scientific colleagues have regarded that event with less interest and have tended to focus either upon conception, upon live birth, or upon the interim point at which the fetus becomes "viable," that is, potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid. 59 Viability is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks. 60 The Aristotelian theory of "mediate animation," that held sway throughout the Middle Ages and the Renaissance in Europe, continued to be official Roman Catholic dogma until the 19th century, despite opposition to this "ensoulment" theory from those in the Church who would recognize the existence of life from [410 U.S. 113, 161] the moment of conception. 61The latter is now, of course, the official belief of the Catholic Church. As one brief amicus discloses, this is a view strongly held by many non-Catholics as well, and by many physicians. Substantial problems for precise definition of this view are posed, however, by new embryological data that purport to indicate that conception is a "process" over time, rather than an event, and by new medical techniques such as menstrual extraction, the "morning-after" pill, implantation of embryos, artificial insemination, and even artificial wombs. 62 In areas other than criminal abortion, the law has been reluctant to endorse any theory that life, as we recognize it, begins before live birth or to accord legal rights to the unborn except in narrowly defined situations and except when the rights are contingent upon live

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Science tells us that human life begins at the time of conception. From the moment fertilization takes place, the child’s genetic makeup is already complete. Its gender has already been determined, along with its height and hair, eye and skin color. The only thing the embryo needs to become a fully-functioning being is the time to grow and develop.

More importantly, God reveals to us in His Word that not only does life begin at conception, but He knows who we are even before then (Jeremiah 1:5). King David said this about God’s role in our conception: "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb . . . your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be" (Psalm 139:13, 16).

Society continually seeks to devalue the lives of the unborn, creating its own definitions of humanity based on distorted views of morality. But the undeniable fact is that life begins at creation, and a human is created as soon as he or she is conceived. God is present at our creation; He is, in fact, our Creator. Our value as human beings created in His image is conceived even before we are.

 

[Frankenstein]

The only way she does not strip him of his reproductive rights is to acknowledge that he's already reproduced by getting her pregnant, but you don't want to admit that, right?

It is very simple, she is not the only one who took part in the creation of that human being

 

[Redfish]

we can do that without having the government forcing full term gestation on all women because there is no inflicted harm on any person who is a member of society when she terminates her own pregnancy.

NO HARM EXCEPT TO THE UNBORN HUMAN BEING, WHO IS NOW DEAD.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

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i. ding xi,dxxi: Ending a human life through abortion is wrong. It should be punished as a misdemeanor. A small fine is not an unreasonable punishment.dvng 231017 Srvwgo11521


ii. Frankenstein xiii,xxv: Why do you find the female at no fault? frnknstn 241119 Srvwgo13025


iii. NotfooledbyW dccclxxiii to 13025: I don’t find the male at fault. nfbw 241119 Vrwnsw00873


iv. NotfooledbyW cmxlvi:. When two individual persons engage in consensual sex and an unintentional pregnancy becomes a result, is it true that no crime is committed that there is a state or public interest to resolve.

Or do you believe a civil crime has been committed at the point of conception? Yes or No?

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[whutTHEYsay]

Does Anybody think this conglomerate of billionaires gives a damn about saving baby fetus’ life?

Ultra-rich 'government in waiting' donors gather with core Trump aides at glitzy retreat

On the heels of the Republican Party's election success, lead figures from Donald Trump's team has been meeting with a "stealthy" group of ultra-rich donors that suddenly has major influence, the New York Times reported Wednesday.The newspaper followed insiders, including incoming White House...

www.rawstory.com

On the heels of the Republican Party's election success, lead figures from Donald Trump's team has been meeting with a "stealthy" group of ultra-rich donors that suddenly has major influence, the New York Times reported Wednesday.​

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The newspaper followed insiders, including incoming White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, from the campaign trail to a Las Vegas gathering of the Rockbridge Network, a group co-founded by J.D. Vance five years ago. In the past year, the group has been funding its own "government-in-waiting" to prepare for Trump's win and eventual takeover, the Times reported.​

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"Working the happy-hour scene at the hotel bar were two close friends of Elon Musk’s — Ken Howery and Luke Nosek, whose time with Mr. Musk at PayPal made them megawealthy themselves."​

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Trump campaign managers Wiles and Chris LaCivita, pollster Tony Fabrizio and fundraiser Meredith O'Rourke were all on hand to hear speeches from tech billionaires and venture capitalists.​

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According to literature given to donors, the group “strives to replace the current Republican ecosystem of think tanks, media organizations and activist groups that have contributed to the party’s decline."​

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Each "member" is required to give anywhere from $100,000 to $1 million to be a "limited partner" or "principal partner," respectively. The funds go into eight different groups: four 501(c)(4) groups the Times referred to as "dark-money," two super PACs, advised non-profits and the overarching umbrella super PAC called "Turnout for America," the Times reported.​

 

[daveman]

i. daveman cmxxxv: Anyway, normal people agree human life is valuable from the moment of conception, and we'd like everyone to agree with that. But we can't legislate morality, dvmn 241119 Srebsw00935

ii. NotfooledbyW cmxxxvi. Findlaw link:
62 In areas other than criminal abortion, the law has been reluctant to endorse any theory that life, as we recognize it, begins before live birth or to accord legal rights to the unborn except in narrowly defined situations and except when the rights are contingent upon live birth. nfbw 241120 Vrwbsw00936


iii. A normal “White6” PERSON wrote:

“In this case, one evil is a man, that repetitively breaks oaths before God and at times with a hand on the Bible, who also spurred a crowd to go to the capital after a stop the steal rally (where according to every official in his administration, election officials in the states, and 60 plus courts of law, no "steal" took place, and now has admitted, after three years he lost) where they violently rioted and attacked the capital, injuring police, destroying property, shouting "Hang Mike Pence", his Vice President who refused to go along with his plan to subvert the constitution of the United States and accept fake electors not voted or selected by the majority of voters in any state the fraudulently came from (with his knowledge as part of a plan to overthrow the election by one of his advisors). He was impeached for his actions, that day refusing requests to call off the attack on the capital for hours, until people were dead, then thanking them for their support.”.


iv. ……and you Saint Daveman. support that fascism again because contrary to your post in paragraph i. In his first term, he put three Catholic justices on the Supreme Court to overturn Roe versus Wade in order allow white Christian nationalist states to “legislate morality“

Normal people have control of their mind let us hope. You don’t.

You missed a bit:

"Any willful misunderstanding on your part is a you problem and obligates me to do nothing."

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Any willful misunderstanding on your part is a you problem and obligates me to do nothing.

daveman cmxxxv: "Any willful misunderstanding on your part is a you problem and obligates me to do nothing." dvmn 241119 Srebsw00935

You must lose a lot of arguments if you have to put that run away clause in them.

Anyway: I see you are trying to run from truth again;


ii. NotfooledbyW cmxxxvi. Findlaw link:
62 In areas other than criminal abortion, the law has been reluctant to endorse any theory that life, as we recognize it, begins before live birth or to accord legal rights to the unborn except in narrowly defined situations and except when the rights are contingent upon live birth. nfbw 241120 Vrwbsw00936

 

[daveman]

daveman cmxxxv: "Any willful misunderstanding on your part is a you problem and obligates me to do nothing." dvmn 241119 Srebsw00935

You must lose a lot of arguments if you have to put that run away clause in them.

Anyway: I see you are trying to run from truth again;


ii. NotfooledbyW cmxxxvi. Findlaw link:
62 In areas other than criminal abortion, the law has been reluctant to endorse any theory that life, as we recognize it, begins before live birth or to accord legal rights to the unborn except in narrowly defined situations and except when the rights are contingent upon live birth. nfbw 241120 Vrwbsw00936

You put a lot of stock in the law.

Slavery was legal. Putting Japanese-Americans in camps was legal. Spousal rape was legal.

I'm talking about moral judgements.

But amoral people have trouble with that.

 

[Mashmont]

“Republican senators are giving us a glimpse of the culture war clashes to come. There are already warning signs — including the Texas directive that prohibits parents from legally providing gender-affirming treatment and therapies to their children, as well as various state officials’ questioning whether the Constitution sanctions contraceptive use. Indeed, some Republican senators have gestured toward these future conflicts. In his questions to Jackson, Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) repeatedly sought her views of Obergefell v. Hodges, the court’s 2015 decision legalizing same-sex marriage, pressing her as to whether the decision was properly decided. Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) took her turn at the microphone to criticize Griswold v. Connecticut, the 1965 case that legalized contraception use. It’s not a stretch to imagine this revisionism extending to Loving v. Virginia, the ruling that legalized interracial marriage. A Republican senator recently said he was open to overturning that ruling. He later walked back his comments.

All this underscores that abortion was never the conservatives’ endgame. It is merely a way station on the path to rolling back a wide range of rights — the rights that scaffold the most intimate aspects of our lives and protect the liberty and equality of marginalized groups.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/03/25/ketanji-brown-jackson-roe/

Republicans’ assault on citizens’ rights and protected liberties has just begun.

Mandatory abortion is the left's endgame. Just look at China's one-child policy all those years.

 

[Orangecat]

“Republican senators are giving us a glimpse of the culture war clashes to come. There are already warning signs — including the Texas directive that prohibits parents from legally providing gender-affirming treatment and therapies to their children, as well as various state officials’ questioning whether the Constitution sanctions contraceptive use. Indeed, some Republican senators have gestured toward these future conflicts. In his questions to Jackson, Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) repeatedly sought her views of Obergefell v. Hodges, the court’s 2015 decision legalizing same-sex marriage, pressing her as to whether the decision was properly decided. Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) took her turn at the microphone to criticize Griswold v. Connecticut, the 1965 case that legalized contraception use. It’s not a stretch to imagine this revisionism extending to Loving v. Virginia, the ruling that legalized interracial marriage. A Republican senator recently said he was open to overturning that ruling. He later walked back his comments.

All this underscores that abortion was never the conservatives’ endgame. It is merely a way station on the path to rolling back a wide range of rights — the rights that scaffold the most intimate aspects of our lives and protect the liberty and equality of marginalized groups.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/03/25/ketanji-brown-jackson-roe/

Republicans’ assault on citizens’ rights and protected liberties has just begun.

Elections have consequences.

 

[DGS49]

"...legally providing gender-affirming treatment and therapies to their children..." Sexual mutilation? What if Muslims in Michigan began massively performing female "circumcisions" in accordance with their views of Islam? Would you be OK with that? The parents should be able to do whatever they want with their children, right? And if there is no specific law against it, it is "legal."

Leftists seem to have little understanding or care about history, even when it is relatively recent history.

When I was growing up in the 60's, legal abortions were simply not available, and BC pills had not been invented. If a girl "found herself pregnant" [I hate that expression] she was going to have a child. Period. This is where the expression "shotgun wedding" came from, and it was real.

I and many of my contemporaries would simply not exist if BC and abortion had been available prior to 1970 (when the pill became generally available), and yet today's Leftists talk about "the right to choose" being a fundamental American freedom. It NEVER has been; it is a recent invention, and like most Leftist inventions it is an attempt to nullify personal responsibility for one's actions.

The Left is evil.

 

[hadit]

"...legally providing gender-affirming treatment and therapies to their children..." Sexual mutilation? What if Muslims in Michigan began massively performing female "circumcisions" in accordance with their views of Islam? Would you be OK with that? The parents should be able to do whatever they want with their children, right? And if there is no specific law against it, it is "legal."

Leftists seem to have little understanding or care about history, even when it is relatively recent history.

When I was growing up in the 60's, legal abortions were simply not available, and BC pills had not been invented. If a girl "found herself pregnant" [I hate that expression] she was going to have a child. Period. This is where the expression "shotgun wedding" came from, and it was real.

I and many of my contemporaries would simply not exist if BC and abortion had been available prior to 1970 (when the pill became generally available), and yet today's Leftists talk about "the right to choose" being a fundamental American freedom. It NEVER has been; it is a recent invention, and like most Leftist inventions it is an attempt to nullify personal responsibility for one's actions.

The Left is evil.

Back then, girls were more careful about who they had sex with, completely because pregnancy was a very natural result of such activities, and men had to prove themselves more in order to get some. Now, the sexual revolution is over, and the men have won.

 

[Unkotare]

Mandatory abortion is the left's endgame. Just look at China's one-child policy all those years.

Didn't work out too well for them. The democrats are too stupid, and too hostile to life, to learn from that mistake.

 

[mamooth]

Mandatory abortion is the left's endgame. Just look at China's one-child policy all those years.

Nah. That's your policy. Nobody gets a choice. The state decides. Statism is the religion of pro-lifers.

Now liberals, who always back liberty and oppose statism, we want everyone to have a free choice.

Your abortion policy of "no choice for anyone" is identical to that of the Nazis. That's not a coincidence, as all your policies are identical to those held by the Nazis.

 

[hadit]

Nah. That's your policy. Nobody gets a choice. The state decides. Statism is the religion of pro-lifers.

Now liberals, who always back liberty and oppose statism, we want everyone to have a free choice.

Your abortion policy of "no choice for anyone" is identical to that of the Nazis. That's not a coincidence, as all your policies are identical to those held by the Nazis.

Godwin's. Automatic fail.

 

[mamooth]

Abortion numbers have gone up since the RvW repeal.

And so ... pro-lifers now want to do more of the things that caused more abortions.

That is, pro-lifers are lying when they claim to care about life. They just care about being control freaks. They get off on punishing those that they deem to be immoral.

 

[mamooth]

Godwin's. Automatic fail.

Godwin said otherwise, that when your opponent actually is acting like a freakin' Nazi, then it's good to point that out.

So, can you name any policy you hold that differs from the policies held by the Nazis?

You can run now. Your type always does.

 

[hadit]

Godwin said otherwise, that when your opponent actually is acting like a freakin' Nazi, then it's good to point that out.

Thank goodness that's not happening, that would be bad.

So, can you name any policy you hold that differs from the policies held by the Nazis?

You can run now. Your type always does.

Since I don't hold policies and have no impact on anything happening in Washington beside voting to keep Cackles out of office, that's pretty much a pointless exercise.