Republicans won’t be satisfied with overturning Roe

[whutTHEYsay]

It's gone. Done. Kaput. Over.

I have never said that it is not over.

like I said, you have no point.

 

[daveman]

DNA in a fetus does not a person make.

It makes a human being, from the moment of conception.

But leftists have a visceral loathing for human life.

 

[daveman]

Is Don Trump’s wife not a “person as well”?


iii. NotfooledbyW i. inserts info on Melania Trump: “It is imperative to guarantee that women have autonomy in deciding their preference of having children, based on their own convictions, free from any intervention or pressure from the government,”. “Why should anyone other than the woman herself have the power to determine what she does with her own body? A woman’s fundamental right of individual liberty, to her own life, grants her the authority to terminate her pregnancy if she wishes.". nfbw 241003 Vdtwsa00001

YOURE AGREEING WITH MRS. HITLER?!!

 

[daveman]

It's time to protect black babies. All blacks should want to do that. I do.

Jonesy's goddess, Margaret Sanger, wanted them all wiped out.

 

[daveman]

...Catholic fascist Supreme Court Justice sAlito...

How is it you expect to be taken seriously?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Republicans’ assault on citizens’ rights and protected liberties has just begun.

 

[ding]

I have never said that it is not over.

like I said, you have no point.

It's over. And it triggers you to this day. That's why you can't let it go.

 

[daveman]

Did she rape the dumb magamale?

1. Where is a reproductive right taken away from the stupid magamale who has sexual intercourse without settling the question that she will give birth if conception occurs?
2. Where is a reproductive right taken away from the stupid magamale when the woman who does not want to have a child ends up getting pregnant?
3. In the event of paragraph Two; and the woman refuses to give birth to the child, why is the ignorant magamale’s reproductive rights taken away because she will not give him progeny? Assuming he was not raped.
4. In the event of paragraph Two; and the woman decides to give birth to the child, why is the ignorant magamale’s reproductive rights taken away because he has to pay child support. Assuming he was not raped.

Nope, no reason at all to take you seriously.

 

[ding]

How is it you expect to be taken seriously?

He doesn't. He's venting cause he's still triggered by it.

 

[daveman]

I have never said that it is not over.

like I said, you have no point.

So what do you expect your petulant tantrum to do? Rational people aren't going to agree with you that human lives are worthless until they travel 6 inches.

 

[MarathonMike]

Like many things the democrats push, they twist the language. "Reproductive Rights" is a laughable oxymoron. The murder of an innocent life is totally opposite of "reproduction." Just another lie. George Orwell would be proud.

Exactly! Let's analyze the complete idiocy: "I DEMAND MY REPRODUCTIVE RIGHT TO KILL MY FETUS!!"

 

[whutTHEYsay]

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i. Redfish xii,dcclx: putting abortion in the hands of the voters of each state is where it belongs. rdfsh 241114 Srvwgo12760

ii. NotfooledbyW xiii,viii to 12760: Saint Redfish in Srvwgo12760 tacitly agrees that Baby Fetus has less right to life, even no right to life, than it will have at the moment he/she is born. nfbw 241118 Vrvwgo13008

iii. daveman cmxxx: Rational people aren't going to agree with you that human lives are worthless until they travel 6 inches. dvmn 241119 Srwbsw00930

iv. NotfooledbyW cmxxxii: Response to paragraph iii. Do you agree with Saint Redfish in paragraph i. ? If you do, see paragraph ii. ?

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[daveman]

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i. Redfish xii,dcclx: putting abortion in the hands of the voters of each state is where it belongs. rdfsh 241114 Srvwgo12760

ii. NotfooledbyW xiii,viii to 12760: Saint Redfish in Srvwgo12760 tacitly agrees that Baby Fetus has less right to life, even no right to life, than it will have at the moment he/she is born. nfbw 241118 Vrvwgo13008

iii. daveman cmxxx: Rational people aren't going to agree with you that human lives are worthless until they travel 6 inches. dvmn 241119 Srwbsw00930

iv. NotfooledbyW cmxxxii: Response to paragraph iii. Do you agree with Saint Redfish in paragraph i. ? If you do, see paragraph ii. ? nfbw 241119 Vrwbsw00932

I wish you'd quit fucking up the formatting. For someone who believes he's so smart, you sure are a dumbass.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

formatting

Do you agree with Saint Redfish here xii,dcclx.

If you do agree with Saint Redfish that putting abortion in the hands of the voters of each state is where it belongs then you agree with me as stated in NotfooledbyW xiii,viii. that you tacitly agree that Baby Fetus has less right to life, even no right to life, than it will have at the moment he/she is born.

So what are you going on about here?

daveman cmxxx: Rational people aren't going to agree with you that human lives are worthless until they travel 6 inches.

 

[daveman]

Do you agree with Saint Redfish here xii,dcclx.

If you do agree with Saint Redfish that putting abortion in the hands of the voters of each state is where it belongs then you agree with me as stated in NotfooledbyW xiii,viii. that you tacitly agree that Baby Fetus has less right to life, even no right to life, than it will have at the moment he/she is born.

So what are you going on about here?

daveman cmxxx: Rational people aren't going to agree with you that human lives are worthless until they travel 6 inches.

Gosh, you're dumb. Let me use small words. If you have any questions, raise your hand.

Ideally, the need for abortion would be limited only to the life of the mother, rape, or incest. The need for abortion as birth control would be eliminated by personal responsibility on the part of the two people having sex. It's so easy to not get pregnant. I don't think anyone's explained that to you; we are not animals and have no need to behave like animals.

However, under the framework the United States was built under -- the Constitution -- SCOTUS referred the matter to the States in accordance with the 10th Amendment. Given that the Democrats decided ever since Roe was enacted to use the issue as a political football/source of fear to keep their constituents in a panic-driven frenzy instead of making abortion a matter of Federal law, this was the ONLY solution available. You were manipulated, and you responded exactly as you were intended.

Is any of this ringing a bell? I kinda think you're hearing all this for the first time.

Anyway, normal people agree human life is valuable from the moment of conception, and we'd like everyone to agree with that. But we can't legislate morality, and given the current violent disagreement from the left to the ideas of the inherent value of human life and of personal responsibility, leaving the issue to each State is the best we can hope for.

That's as simply as I can explain it. Any willful misunderstanding on your part is a you problem and obligates me to do nothing.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

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There has always been strong support for the view that SANCTITY of LIFE does not begin until live birth.

Catholic live birth at ‘sanctify of life’ Civilization was the norm but Republicans won’t be satisfied until ‘sanctify of life’ begins at conception

i. daveman cmxxxv: Anyway, normal people agree human life is valuable from the moment of conception, and we'd like everyone to agree with that. dvmn 241119 Srebsw00935

ii. dvng 221209 Stvwgo06246 “If you are asking does viability lessen the consequence of ending a human life I don’t believe it does.”. dvng 221209 Stvwgo06246

iii . NotfooledbyW mcccl: The level of civilizations that we have reached in our time was accomplished through many a millennia by human respect the value of human life that begins at birth. nfbw 241021 Vrftma01350

iv. NotfooledbyW cmxxxvi. Findlaw link:

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court/410/113.html

It should be sufficient to note briefly the wide divergence of thinking on this most sensitive and difficult question. There has always been strong support for the view that life does not begin until live birth. This was the belief of the Stoics. 56 It appears to be the predominant, though not the unanimous, attitude of the Jewish faith. 57 It may be taken to represent also the position of a large segment of the Protestant community, insofar as that can be ascertained; organized groups that have taken a formal position on the abortion issue have generally regarded abortion as a matter for the conscience of the individual and her family. 58As we have noted, the common law found greater significance in quickening. Physicians and their scientific colleagues have regarded that event with less interest and have tended to focus either upon conception, upon live birth, or upon the interim point at which the fetus becomes "viable," that is, potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid. 59 Viability is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks. 60 The Aristotelian theory of "mediate animation," that held sway throughout the Middle Ages and the Renaissance in Europe, continued to be official Roman Catholic dogma until the 19th century, despite opposition to this "ensoulment" theory from those in the Church who would recognize the existence of life from [410 U.S. 113, 161] the moment of conception. 61The latter is now, of course, the official belief of the Catholic Church. As one brief amicus discloses, this is a view strongly held by many non-Catholics as well, and by many physicians. Substantial problems for precise definition of this view are posed, however, by new embryological data that purport to indicate that conception is a "process" over time, rather than an event, and by new medical techniques such as menstrual extraction, the "morning-after" pill, implantation of embryos, artificial insemination, and even artificial wombs. 62 In areas other than criminal abortion, the law has been reluctant to endorse any theory that life, as we recognize it, begins before live birth or to accord legal rights to the unborn except in narrowly defined situations and except when the rights are contingent upon live birth.

v. NotfooledbyW cmxxxvi the
Guardian.link:

'A threat to democracy': William Barr's speech on religious freedom alarms liberal Catholics

Attorney general’s recent address at Notre Dame is a ‘dog whistle’ to conservatives who have aligned themselves with Trump

Philip Shenon. 20Oct2019

Prominent liberal Catholics have warned the US attorney general’s devout Catholic faith poses a threat to the separation of church and state, after William Barr delivered a fiery speech on religious freedom in which he warned that “militant secularists” were behind a “campaign to destroy the traditional moral order”.

vi. NotfooledbyW cmxxxvi:
Saint Daveman claims to be ”normal people“ when the norm throughout the history of civilization has been the sanctity of life begins at live birth. Read all about “
the wide divergence of thinking on sanctity of life in para graph iv.

vii. NotfooledbyW cmxxxvi:
Saint Ding in paragraph ii. mentions the consequence of ending an unborn’s life but provides no clue to what those consequences are,

viii. NotfooledbyW cmxxxvi:
The United states has an illiberal Catholic organized political zealotry problem merged with white Christian nationalists Protestant zealots

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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I wish you'd quit fucking up the formatting. For someone who believes he's so smart, you sure are a dumbass.

.

Yep. It's obvious that the poster doesn't want anyone to be able to understand its posts.

Because there's nothing worth understanding in there in the first place.

Leftists love word salad. They actually believe that it makes them look smart.


.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. daveman cmxxxv: Anyway, normal people agree human life is valuable from the moment of conception, and we'd like everyone to agree with that. But we can't legislate morality, dvmn 241119 Srebsw00935

ii. NotfooledbyW cmxxxvi. Findlaw link:
62 In areas other than criminal abortion, the law has been reluctant to endorse any theory that life, as we recognize it, begins before live birth or to accord legal rights to the unborn except in narrowly defined situations and except when the rights are contingent upon live birth. nfbw 241120 Vrwbsw00936


iii. A normal “White6” PERSON wrote:

“In this case, one evil is a man, that repetitively breaks oaths before God and at times with a hand on the Bible, who also spurred a crowd to go to the capital after a stop the steal rally (where according to every official in his administration, election officials in the states, and 60 plus courts of law, no "steal" took place, and now has admitted, after three years he lost) where they violently rioted and attacked the capital, injuring police, destroying property, shouting "Hang Mike Pence", his Vice President who refused to go along with his plan to subvert the constitution of the United States and accept fake electors not voted or selected by the majority of voters in any state the fraudulently came from (with his knowledge as part of a plan to overthrow the election by one of his advisors). He was impeached for his actions, that day refusing requests to call off the attack on the capital for hours, until people were dead, then thanking them for their support.”.


iv. ……and you Saint Daveman. support that fascism again because contrary to your post in paragraph i. In his first term, he put three Catholic justices on the Supreme Court to overturn Roe versus Wade in order allow white Christian nationalist states to “legislate morality“

Normal people have control of their mind let us hope. You don’t.

 

[Frankenstein]

Nowhere is it recognized as a person until birth; including in the Dobbs decision.

“For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” Sam Alito..​

Alito sneaked a church law into Dobbs in order to rewrite a medieval era Church law to make it look like English Common Law.

Alito sneakily cited an old law that imposed punishment for the killing of a fetus and inappropriately attributed it to English Common Law. The law was Leges Henrici Primi 222–223 (L. Downer ed. 1972) (imposing penalty for any abortion and treating a woman who aborted a "quick" child "as if she were a murderess").

It actually reads "If she does this [intentionally destroys her embryo] after it is quick [animate], she shall do penance for seven years as if she were a murderess."​

​

However sAlito carefully clipped out the words "she shall do penance for seven years" from the quotation, between "quick" and "as.”​

​

The word penance ding beagle9 CarsomyrPlusSix makes it church law which is not supposed to be considered civil law.

​

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I do not care, it is wrong to not designate it as a human being, fetus, zygote, glob of cells are terms thrown around by abortion supporters to ease the guilt of supporting something barbaric in nature.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

it is wrong to not designate it as a human being, fetus, zygote, glob of cells

I designate it to be a human being in a zygote, embryo or fetus stage of human development, lacking ensoulment until birth as is common and emotion Jewish in all civilized mankind’s belief systems.


NotfooledbyW cmxxxvi. Findlaw link:

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court/410/113.html

It should be sufficient to note briefly the wide divergence of thinking on this most sensitive and difficult question. There has always been strong support for the view that life does not begin until live birth. This was the belief of the Stoics. 56 It appears to be the predominant, though not the unanimous, attitude of the Jewish faith. 57 It may be taken to represent also the position of a large segment of the Protestant community, insofar as that can be ascertained; organized groups that have taken a formal position on the abortion issue have generally regarded abortion as a matter for the conscience of the individual and her family. 58As we have noted, the common law found greater significance in quickening. Physicians and their scientific colleagues have regarded that event with less interest and have tended to focus either upon conception, upon live birth, or upon the interim point at which the fetus becomes "viable," that is, potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid. 59 Viability is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks. 60 The Aristotelian theory of "mediate animation," that held sway throughout the Middle Ages and the Renaissance in Europe, continued to be official Roman Catholic dogma until the 19th century, despite opposition to this "ensoulment" theory from those in the Church who would recognize the existence of life from [410 U.S. 113, 161] the moment of conception. 61The latter is now, of course, the official belief of the Catholic Church. As one brief amicus discloses, this is a view strongly held by many non-Catholics as well, and by many physicians. Substantial problems for precise definition of this view are posed, however, by new embryological data that purport to indicate that conception is a "process" over time, rather than an event, and by new medical techniques such as menstrual extraction, the "morning-after" pill, implantation of embryos, artificial insemination, and even artificial wombs. 62 In areas other than criminal abortion, the law has been reluctant to endorse any theory that life, as we recognize it, begins before live birth or to accord legal rights to the unborn except in narrowly defined situations and except when the rights are contingent upon live

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