Republicans propose declaring Idaho a 'Christian state'

[kaz]

We are governed by the "Godless" Constitution - not the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence

Many Christian's who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration of Independence as "proof" of a Christian America. The reason appears obvious: the Declaration mentions God. (You may notice that some Christians avoid the Constitution, with its absence of God.)

However, the Declaration of Independence does not represent any law of the United States. It came before the establishment of our lawful government (the Constitution). The Declaration aimed at announcing the separation of America from Great Britain and it listed the various grievances with them. The Declaration includes the words, "The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America." The grievances against Great Britain no longer hold today, and we have more than thirteen states.

Although the Declaration may have influential power, it may inspire the lofty thoughts of poets and believers, and judges may mention it in their summations, it holds no legal power today. It represents a historical document about rebellious intentions against Great Britain at a time before the formation of our government.

Of course the Declaration stands as a great political document. Its author aimed at a future government designed and upheld by people and not based on a superstitious god or religious monarchy. It observed that all men "are created equal" meaning that we all have the natural ability of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men." Please note that the Declaration says nothing about our rights secured by Christianity. It bears repeating: "Governments are instituted among men."

The pursuit of happiness does not mean a guarantee of happiness, only that we have the freedom to pursue it. Our Law of the Land incorporates this freedom of pursuit in the Constitution. We can believe or not believe as we wish. We may succeed or fail in our pursuit, but our Constitution (and not the Declaration) protects our unalienable rights in our attempt at happiness.

Moreover, the mentioning of God in the Declaration does not describe the personal God of Christianity. Thomas Jefferson who held deist beliefs, wrote the majority of the Declaration. The Declaration describes "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." This nature's view of God agrees with deist philosophy and might even appeal to those of pantheistical beliefs, but any attempt to use the Declaration as a support for Christianity will fail for this reason alone.

More: The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

The Founding Fathers based the country on Christian values. Many of them were deists. They pretty much all had faith. Amazing how with the pompous pontification you blew past grasping the obvious. The DOI mentioned God because it was a document justifying leaving the British, it was a philosophy document, so sure, it mentioned God. The Constitution was a document describing how our laws work, it is a rule book. Since the rules are not based on a Religion, they were not mentioned.

Nothing is so obvious that it can be grasped and retained by the liberal mind. Liberalism, a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Mama don't let you kids grow up to be liberals....

You are one of the best spinners of distorted/twisted bullshit on the board.

I'm one of the best at laying out your spin and distorted/twisted bullshit for what it is on the board

 

[kaz]

Don't get your clown panties in a bunch lefties. It's not going to hurt you. There are no laws or rules. It's only a statement.

Imagine the meltdown from you if they declared it was a Muslim state.

OMG that's funny. That is the point of what Idaho is doing, my dear. They are mocking the left showing how you react when it's a Christian State instead of a Muslim one. You proceed to not only get that but make the point in reverse? That's just funny, way way funny

No, they are not bright enough to come up with that scenario.

Apparently they have nothing to do in Idaho as the state is in perfect shape, aside from issuing a dog whistle piece of legislation to get the nutters feeling righteous.

So seriously with all the Muslim "Islamic State of" country names, you don't get the point Idaho is making? I know you never do, but still, wow. They are so obvious about it using specifically the term Christian state. Here's a dollar, buy a clue

 

[JakeStarkey]

Americans have not been as kind about the separation as they should be. This includes the religious and the atheists. Also the Declaration cannot contravene and is subordinate the Constitution.

The Constitution is not atheist, for it recognizes certain religious subject.

The Constitution is not pro-Christian, the far right social cons certain wished it were so.

So smash down the jerks on each end of the spectrum when necessary, and try to be nice to each other.

Tell you what, next time your mommy gives you a dollar to go the arcade, look at the side opposite George Washington between the pyramid and the seal and read what it says over the big ONE ....

Unless they've changed the currency in the last few minutes, it will say "IN GOD WE TRUST"

No mention of Allah, God Qi, Chi, Gaia or mohammed the goat ******.

Your an idiot

You are such a foolish fellow. I do trust in God. I don't trust in you, because you are a useful tool for bad people trying to injure America.

We are generally a nation of Christians, not a Christian nation. Atheists have every right to be afraid of what your ilk would do to them if it were possible to injure them.

 

[Edgetho]

Morons.

The Constitution DOES mention God -- In the ratification clause, "In the Year Of Our LORD, 1787"

Idiot.

That's a date. A date. It marks a point in time.

Idiot...

The Declaration of Independence mentions God four (4) times.

Does that make it unconstitutional?

moron

Using the nomenclature 'The Year Of Our Lord' connotes a belief in 'Our Lord'

They could have just as easily said, 'In the Year, 1787'

But they chose not to.

idiot

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Idiocy from the right in Idaho, and a potential Establishment Clause violation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The attestation was legally required to file the document.

Edgetho is wrong to imply any special consideration for Christians.

 

[g5000]

Morons.

The Constitution DOES mention God -- In the ratification clause, "In the Year Of Our LORD, 1787"

Idiot.

And the Constitution is predicated on the Declaration of Independence, which mentions God FOUR Times and names 'Our Creator' as the benefactor of all our rights.

stupid ******* dimocraps

No mention of Christianity, though.

 

[Edgetho]

You are such a foolish fellow. I do trust in God. I don't trust in you, because you are a useful tool for bad people trying to injure America.

We are generally a nation of Christians, not a Christian nation.

I am not especially religious..... At all.

I just hate faux intellectuals who invent SHIT and use it like it's butter.

It's SHIT.

This Country was founded on Judeo-Christian Values... Period

We are a Christian Country.

The Constitution only forbade the establishment of a NATIONAL RELIGION.....

The reason we have these problems is simple -- You're stupid.

All of you. And because you're stupid, you cite SHIT that is totally untrue.

When you get called on your stupidity, your instinct is not to listen and learn, your instinct is to ARGUE. Instead on reading and learning, you argue.... It's autonomic with you, just as it is with children.

Rather than acknowledge that someone, me for instance, is ten times smarter than you are, you argue. And you make fools of yourselves.

Then when you've lost the argument and have been shown to be STUPID, you change your line of attack.

I'm just telling you.... What you have is a personality disorder and we both know it.

You argue too much. Everybody knows that, even in real life. People get tired of you, they walk away, they avoid you.

Try learning once in a while. Try extending your horizons. Find new friends, whatever.

I'm just telling you for your own good.

 

[SwimExpert]

The Constitution is based on Judeo Christian ethics.

No it's not, and that's a ******* stupid thing to say. The constitution is based on Enlightenment principles of individual liberty, democratic government, de-establishment of state religion and religious tolerance, and the pursuit of scientific study and development.

 

[SwimExpert]

Morons.

The Constitution DOES mention God -- In the ratification clause, "In the Year Of Our LORD, 1787"

Idiot.

That's a date. A date. It marks a point in time.

Idiot...

The Declaration of Independence mentions God four (4) times.

Does that make it unconstitutional?

moron

Using the nomenclature 'The Year Of Our Lord' connotes a belief in 'Our Lord'

They could have just as easily said, 'In the Year, 1787'

But they chose not to.

idiot

I'm going to refer to this post if I ever have children, so they'll understand the importance of a good education, and staying off drugs.

 

[kaz]

Idiocy from the right in Idaho, and a potential Establishment Clause violation.

But wait, you leftists keep arguing that anyone calling themselves an "Islamic State" isn't Islamic, so a Christian State isn't Christian either, is it?

 

[kaz]

The Constitution is based on Judeo Christian ethics.

No it's not, and that's a ******* stupid thing to say. The constitution is based on Enlightenment principles of individual liberty, democratic government, de-establishment of state religion and religious tolerance, and the pursuit of scientific study and development.

So what happened to the founding fathers between the declaration of independence and the Constitution?

 

[JakeStarkey]

"I just hate faux intellectuals who invent SHIT and use it like it's butter" is an excellent self-description of and by Edgetho.

 

[kaz]

Morons.

The Constitution DOES mention God -- In the ratification clause, "In the Year Of Our LORD, 1787"

Idiot.

And the Constitution is predicated on the Declaration of Independence, which mentions God FOUR Times and names 'Our Creator' as the benefactor of all our rights.

stupid ******* dimocraps

No mention of Christianity, though.

What religion are you thinking the founding fathers were thinking of? Hindi? Islam?

 

[Ravi]

You seem angry. Have an organic cookie.

From an inadequate loser in a boiler room, constantly hitting his alt key so the boss won't accidentally see him goofing off when he/she's supposed to be shopping for a birthday present for him to give to his mistress.

Good idea going offline in between posts, too. I see a LOT of you libturds doing that.

Proves me right.

Now get back to that late spread sheet, NASA is never going to call for that interview

Angry and stupid. Awesome!

 

[Ravi]

Don't get your clown panties in a bunch lefties. It's not going to hurt you. There are no laws or rules. It's only a statement.

Imagine the meltdown from you if they declared it was a Muslim state.

OMG that's funny. That is the point of what Idaho is doing, my dear. They are mocking the left showing how you react when it's a Christian State instead of a Muslim one. You proceed to not only get that but make the point in reverse? That's just funny, way way funny

No, they are not bright enough to come up with that scenario.

Apparently they have nothing to do in Idaho as the state is in perfect shape, aside from issuing a dog whistle piece of legislation to get the nutters feeling righteous.

So seriously with all the Muslim "Islamic State of" country names, you don't get the point Idaho is making? I know you never do, but still, wow. They are so obvious about it using specifically the term Christian state. Here's a dollar, buy a clue

What other countries do is their business. In our country, we have freedom of religion. This legislation is backward.

 

[kaz]

Don't get your clown panties in a bunch lefties. It's not going to hurt you. There are no laws or rules. It's only a statement.

Imagine the meltdown from you if they declared it was a Muslim state.

OMG that's funny. That is the point of what Idaho is doing, my dear. They are mocking the left showing how you react when it's a Christian State instead of a Muslim one. You proceed to not only get that but make the point in reverse? That's just funny, way way funny

No, they are not bright enough to come up with that scenario.

Apparently they have nothing to do in Idaho as the state is in perfect shape, aside from issuing a dog whistle piece of legislation to get the nutters feeling righteous.

So seriously with all the Muslim "Islamic State of" country names, you don't get the point Idaho is making? I know you never do, but still, wow. They are so obvious about it using specifically the term Christian state. Here's a dollar, buy a clue

What other countries do is their business. In our country, we have freedom of religion. This legislation is backward.

Still not processing they are mocking you, do you? Inability for one to recognize when they are being mocked traces either to extreme arrogance or overt stupidity. Which one do you think applies in your case?

 

[Preacher]

Whatever they wanna do...not my problem nor do I care.

 

[Preacher]

It won't last. There are Atheists and Creators and other religious folks that ARE NOT christians in Idaho.Pointless in doing this.

 

[Ravi]

Imagine the meltdown from you if they declared it was a Muslim state.

OMG that's funny. That is the point of what Idaho is doing, my dear. They are mocking the left showing how you react when it's a Christian State instead of a Muslim one. You proceed to not only get that but make the point in reverse? That's just funny, way way funny

No, they are not bright enough to come up with that scenario.

Apparently they have nothing to do in Idaho as the state is in perfect shape, aside from issuing a dog whistle piece of legislation to get the nutters feeling righteous.

So seriously with all the Muslim "Islamic State of" country names, you don't get the point Idaho is making? I know you never do, but still, wow. They are so obvious about it using specifically the term Christian state. Here's a dollar, buy a clue

What other countries do is their business. In our country, we have freedom of religion. This legislation is backward.

Still not processing they are mocking you, do you? Inability for one to recognize when they are being mocked traces either to extreme arrogance or overt stupidity. Which one do you think applies in your case?

They aren't mocking anyone. They are being deadly serious. Now if you'd said they are aping someone, I'd agree. They are aping Islamic countries.