Republicans have this strange double speak about socialism and how it is defined

[Norman]

"But it wasn't real socialism!!!"

#582936810489129306

 

[francoHFW]

Socialism is a proven failure…

It only appeals to fucked up control freaks

That's communism stupid. socialism is simply faire capitalism with a good safety net like Bernie and Warren want. Like the socialist Party in France since 1920. And they had a Communist Party 2 which was Communist. Only UK and American right-wingers still can't get it through their brains. And then Canada Australia and New Zealand no doubt it's an English-speaking thing.

 

[georgephillip]

Your ignorance is truly Trumpian

Worker Self-Directed Enterprises – A New Way of Thinking About the Workplace

"2. The working class has struggled under Capitalism since the 1970s

"In the United States, the real average weekly wage for production and non-supervisory employees has been declining since 1972.

"As illustrated in Figure 1 below, it peaked at $345.62 in 1972, and it was as low as $263.95 in 1996.

"As of July 2015, the real average weekly wage was $303.70, which is still below the real average weekly wage in 1964.

"Source: Data adapted from 'Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National),' Bureau of Labor Statistics, 9/16/15, Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

"Additionally, income inequality has been increasing for some time.

'Similar to the decline in wages, inequality has been increasing since the 1970s.

"The work of Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty shows that two-thirds of the growth in real incomes per family from 1993-2012 went to the top one percent of income earners.

"The top one percent has done particularly well after the great recession; 95 percent of total income growth from 2009-2012 went to the top one percent."

You'd make more money, too, if you got a damn job, you freeloader.

You'd make more money, too, if you got a damn job, you freeloader.

Money Is the Root of All Evil…

Then why do you want other people's money?

Then why do you want other people's money?

Some people have already done that

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

Can you?

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

 

[daveman]

Oh no! Shitholes don't like my country!

Still don't care. And you're stupid for caring what they think.

Oh no! Shitholes don't like my country!

Still don't care. And you're stupid for caring what they think.

MAGA?

We’re All in the Same Boat Now: Coolidge on Immigration

I see your Coolidge, and raise you Teddy Roosevelt:

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Yes they are.

No other modern country has a gigantic garbage character assassination and misinformation propaganda machine like the GOP 1.no one in the world of Journalism and law enforcement agrees with any of your phony scandals.

You wept bitter, helpless tears when the Berlin Wall came down, didn't you?

You are out of your mind. Fantastic night before Fox noise....

You did. You watched the people of East Germany stepping through new holes in the Wall, and you curled up in a helpless, hopeless ball on your floor and wept tears of impotent rage. You watched the USSR crumble and your whole world came apart.

Stupid Communist. No Revolution for you!

You are out of your tiny little mind. Communism is dead unless you have a gun to your Head in China North Korea and Cuba. French socialism has been like berny and warren's for a hundred years. You are a dupe of the UK American Savage capitalist garbage propaganda scam that has been around even longer. Napoleon never said the UK was a nation of shopkeepers, he said it was a scam of savage monopolist capitalists. It's really time to wake up and smell the coffee stupid. This GOP scam has been going on too long. We need reform horribly. Yes France the other great Republic.

Fuck off, Commie.

 

[daveman]

You'd make more money, too, if you got a damn job, you freeloader.

You'd make more money, too, if you got a damn job, you freeloader.

Money Is the Root of All Evil…

Then why do you want other people's money?

Then why do you want other people's money?

Some people have already done that

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

That deal doesn't bother me. It's that he was such a crappy businessman he lost so much money, he could write it all off and not pay taxes for decades.

So...you want him to pay taxes even if he shows a loss for the year?

Well, that answers the question of how stupid you are.

 

[daveman]

You'd make more money, too, if you got a damn job, you freeloader.

You'd make more money, too, if you got a damn job, you freeloader.

Money Is the Root of All Evil…

Then why do you want other people's money?

Then why do you want other people's money?

Some people have already done that

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

Can you?

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

DU is nothing but morons. So are those who cite it as anything besides mockery.

 

[keepitreal]

Socialism implies society controls the means of production; a government command economy is one possible method, and that can be effective as the US proved during its involvement in WWI and WWII.

Workers can also control the means of production; although, you wouldn't see pay difference of 350:1 like you do in today's corporate slave markets.

O M G...it’s like the Twilight Zone on this fucking planet!

 

[basquebromance]

"socialism" really means making america as good as its promise!

 

[Muhammed]

On the one hand, a liberal would say to a republican that we know socialism works because the Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism works. Repubs then say "those aren't socialist countries! They have private economies"

Um okay. They are socialist countries even though they have private economies. Those concepts don't have to be conflicting. They get that, right?

However, republicans will call those nations socialist depending on the context of the conversation.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela. A liberal defending Bernie Sanders will say "No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies"......in response the republican says "THAT'S JUST LIKE VENEZUELA!"

No, it isn't.

 

[georgephillip]

Money Is the Root of All Evil…

Then why do you want other people's money?

Then why do you want other people's money?

Some people have already done that

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

Can you?

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

DU is nothing but morons. So are those who cite it as anything besides mockery.

DU is nothing but morons. So are those who cite it as anything besides mockery.

Is Trump a moron? - The Feed

 

[keepitreal]

You'd make more money, too, if you got a damn job, you freeloader.

You'd make more money, too, if you got a damn job, you freeloader.

Money Is the Root of All Evil…

Then why do you want other people's money?

Then why do you want other people's money?

Some people have already done that

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

That deal doesn't bother me. It's that he was such a crappy businessman he lost so much money, he could write it all off and not pay taxes for decades.

Hmmm, I’m confused

Seems to me, if he was able to write off his losses
and didn’t have to pay taxes for decades
because of those losses...

He was a shrewd businessman, not a crappy one

The Clinton’s donate to their own foundation
and claim it as charitable contributions on their taxes

And when they bailed out Wall Street,
Wall Street didn’t suffer any loses, they made money

 

[Andylusion]

On the one hand, a liberal would say to a republican that we know socialism works because the Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism works. Repubs then say "those aren't socialist countries! They have private economies"

Um okay. They are socialist countries even though they have private economies. Those concepts don't have to be conflicting. They get that, right?

However, republicans will call those nations socialist depending on the context of the conversation.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela. A liberal defending Bernie Sanders will say "No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies"......in response the republican says "THAT'S JUST LIKE VENEZUELA!"

No, it isn't.

Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism

They are not socialist. If you look at the economic freedom index, they are just as much free-market capitalist based systems, as the US is.
Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Again, even those countries will say openly that Bernie is full of crap.

Denmark says it isn’t the socialist utopia Bernie Sanders thinks it is

“I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.”
​

So you can stop your childish whining about Republicans saying the Nordic countries are not socialist. The Nordic countries are saying they are not socialist. Bernie lied to you. Time to learn facts over feelings, and accept the truth.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela.

Well yeah. That's dead on right. Bernie will do exactly that, and he's said as much. If you look at all the policies that Bernie has proposed, they mirror Venezuela perfectly.

No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies

No, actually Bernie has openly said he wants to end the private market system in several interviews I've seen.

Further, if you look at the Nordic countries, most of them have policies that Bernie and his ilk, would be completely against.

For example, many don't have a minimum wage. Are you in favor of eliminating the minimum wage?
Many don't have welfare. There is no "welfare". There is unemployment compensation, which you can qualify for only if you have actually worked a job for a year or more. But there is no just free money handed out by the government, because you sucked air.

Another example would be education, where only the best advance. For example, you don't get into high school because you existed, and sucked air. You get into high school in Finland, because you made the grades, and past an entrance examine. If you don't... then you don't. There is no guarantee of education. There's a guarantee that if you earn it, you get it.

Are you in favor of any of these?

Here's the bottom line.....

Bernie and you, and the rest of the myth chaser, have created a false utopian world out of the Nordic countries, that does not exist.

You have made up this false world, claim it's brilliant and perfect, and then say we should mimic that world.

That world you made up, doesn't fit with reality. The Nordic countries have insanely high taxes, and have funding problems throughout, and have been for the last decade moving away from socializing, and more towards capitalism. As it turns out, people don't like paying over 50% of their income in taxes. As it turns out, privately run business operates better than government.



If you really want to learn, the facts are that in cases like Sweden, most of the wealth they have generated, from before they even became a mixed economy. And by the way, a massive amount of their tax revenue comes from a consumption tax, rather than taxing the rich. Which as any consumption tax does, it nails the lower and middle class the most. There is no 'sharing the wealth' that Bernie suggests. The wealthy in Sweden, are wealthy. The poor, are poor, just like anywhere else in the world.

 

[francoHFW]

Money Is the Root of All Evil…

Then why do you want other people's money?

Then why do you want other people's money?

Some people have already done that

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

That deal doesn't bother me. It's that he was such a crappy businessman he lost so much money, he could write it all off and not pay taxes for decades.

Hmmm, I’m confused

Seems to me, if he was able to write off his losses
and didn’t have to pay taxes for decades
because of those losses...

He was a shrewd businessman, not a crappy one

The Clinton’s donate to their own foundation
and claim it as charitable contributions on their taxes

And when they bailed out Wall Street,
Wall Street didn’t suffer any loses, they made money

First he had to lose more money than anyone else in the country for 10 years. George W bush bailed out Wall Street. Obama bailed out main Street. Great job scumbag GOP.

 

[francoHFW]

On the one hand, a liberal would say to a republican that we know socialism works because the Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism works. Repubs then say "those aren't socialist countries! They have private economies"

Um okay. They are socialist countries even though they have private economies. Those concepts don't have to be conflicting. They get that, right?

However, republicans will call those nations socialist depending on the context of the conversation.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela. A liberal defending Bernie Sanders will say "No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies"......in response the republican says "THAT'S JUST LIKE VENEZUELA!"

No, it isn't.

Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism

They are not socialist. If you look at the economic freedom index, they are just as much free-market capitalist based systems, as the US is.
Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Again, even those countries will say openly that Bernie is full of crap.

Denmark says it isn’t the socialist utopia Bernie Sanders thinks it is

“I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.”
​

So you can stop your childish whining about Republicans saying the Nordic countries are not socialist. The Nordic countries are saying they are not socialist. Bernie lied to you. Time to learn facts over feelings, and accept the truth.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela.

Well yeah. That's dead on right. Bernie will do exactly that, and he's said as much. If you look at all the policies that Bernie has proposed, they mirror Venezuela perfectly.

No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies

No, actually Bernie has openly said he wants to end the private market system in several interviews I've seen.

Further, if you look at the Nordic countries, most of them have policies that Bernie and his ilk, would be completely against.

For example, many don't have a minimum wage. Are you in favor of eliminating the minimum wage?
Many don't have welfare. There is no "welfare". There is unemployment compensation, which you can qualify for only if you have actually worked a job for a year or more. But there is no just free money handed out by the government, because you sucked air.

Another example would be education, where only the best advance. For example, you don't get into high school because you existed, and sucked air. You get into high school in Finland, because you made the grades, and past an entrance examine. If you don't... then you don't. There is no guarantee of education. There's a guarantee that if you earn it, you get it.

Are you in favor of any of these?

Here's the bottom line.....

Bernie and you, and the rest of the myth chaser, have created a false utopian world out of the Nordic countries, that does not exist.

You have made up this false world, claim it's brilliant and perfect, and then say we should mimic that world.

That world you made up, doesn't fit with reality. The Nordic countries have insanely high taxes, and have funding problems throughout, and have been for the last decade moving away from socializing, and more towards capitalism. As it turns out, people don't like paying over 50% of their income in taxes. As it turns out, privately run business operates better than government.



If you really want to learn, the facts are that in cases like Sweden, most of the wealth they have generated, from before they even became a mixed economy. And by the way, a massive amount of their tax revenue comes from a consumption tax, rather than taxing the rich. Which as any consumption tax does, it nails the lower and middle class the most. There is no 'sharing the wealth' that Bernie suggests. The wealthy in Sweden, are wealthy. The poor, are poor, just like anywhere else in the world.

We have the worst inequality and upward Mobility ever and in the modern world. Thanks scumbag GOP

 

[keepitreal]

Then why do you want other people's money?

Then why do you want other people's money?

Some people have already done that

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

That deal doesn't bother me. It's that he was such a crappy businessman he lost so much money, he could write it all off and not pay taxes for decades.

Hmmm, I’m confused

Seems to me, if he was able to write off his losses
and didn’t have to pay taxes for decades
because of those losses...

He was a shrewd businessman, not a crappy one

The Clinton’s donate to their own foundation
and claim it as charitable contributions on their taxes

And when they bailed out Wall Street,
Wall Street didn’t suffer any loses, they made money

First he had to lose more money than anyone else in the country for 10 years. George W bush bailed out Wall Street. Obama bailed out main Street. Great job scumbag GOP.

ROFLMFAO

Seeing how wealth increased for Wall Street
and evaporated from Main Street...
Bush should have bailed out Main Street

 

[Billy000]

On the one hand, a liberal would say to a republican that we know socialism works because the Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism works. Repubs then say "those aren't socialist countries! They have private economies"

Um okay. They are socialist countries even though they have private economies. Those concepts don't have to be conflicting. They get that, right?

However, republicans will call those nations socialist depending on the context of the conversation.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela. A liberal defending Bernie Sanders will say "No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies"......in response the republican says "THAT'S JUST LIKE VENEZUELA!"

No, it isn't.

Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism

They are not socialist. If you look at the economic freedom index, they are just as much free-market capitalist based systems, as the US is.
Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Again, even those countries will say openly that Bernie is full of crap.

Denmark says it isn’t the socialist utopia Bernie Sanders thinks it is

“I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.”
​

So you can stop your childish whining about Republicans saying the Nordic countries are not socialist. The Nordic countries are saying they are not socialist. Bernie lied to you. Time to learn facts over feelings, and accept the truth.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela.

Well yeah. That's dead on right. Bernie will do exactly that, and he's said as much. If you look at all the policies that Bernie has proposed, they mirror Venezuela perfectly.

No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies

No, actually Bernie has openly said he wants to end the private market system in several interviews I've seen.

Further, if you look at the Nordic countries, most of them have policies that Bernie and his ilk, would be completely against.

For example, many don't have a minimum wage. Are you in favor of eliminating the minimum wage?
Many don't have welfare. There is no "welfare". There is unemployment compensation, which you can qualify for only if you have actually worked a job for a year or more. But there is no just free money handed out by the government, because you sucked air.

Another example would be education, where only the best advance. For example, you don't get into high school because you existed, and sucked air. You get into high school in Finland, because you made the grades, and past an entrance examine. If you don't... then you don't. There is no guarantee of education. There's a guarantee that if you earn it, you get it.

Are you in favor of any of these?

Here's the bottom line.....

Bernie and you, and the rest of the myth chaser, have created a false utopian world out of the Nordic countries, that does not exist.

You have made up this false world, claim it's brilliant and perfect, and then say we should mimic that world.

That world you made up, doesn't fit with reality. The Nordic countries have insanely high taxes, and have funding problems throughout, and have been for the last decade moving away from socializing, and more towards capitalism. As it turns out, people don't like paying over 50% of their income in taxes. As it turns out, privately run business operates better than government.



If you really want to learn, the facts are that in cases like Sweden, most of the wealth they have generated, from before they even became a mixed economy. And by the way, a massive amount of their tax revenue comes from a consumption tax, rather than taxing the rich. Which as any consumption tax does, it nails the lower and middle class the most. There is no 'sharing the wealth' that Bernie suggests. The wealthy in Sweden, are wealthy. The poor, are poor, just like anywhere else in the world.

Okay two points about this:

1) Socialism isn’t the antithesis of capitalism. It doesn’t matter if a country has a private market, it is still inherently socialist to a degree. Any government program funded by tax payers is an example of socialism. Bernie’s philosophy of social democracy is about people funded programs that benefit the population at large. Our defense budget is the biggest socialist institution in the world.

2) Also, if you think Bernie is a socialist (and he is) how can that be if Bernie’s actual platform has nothing to do with ending the private market?

Do you see how dumb you all sound?

 

[daveman]

Then why do you want other people's money?

Then why do you want other people's money?

Some people have already done that

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

Can you?

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

DU is nothing but morons. So are those who cite it as anything besides mockery.

DU is nothing but morons. So are those who cite it as anything besides mockery.

Is Trump a moron? - The Feed

Ahhh, the old "NO U" gambit. Devastating. Popular among third-graders and leftists (pardon the redundancy) everywhere.

 

[georgephillip]

Some people have already done that

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

Can you?

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

DU is nothing but morons. So are those who cite it as anything besides mockery.

DU is nothing but morons. So are those who cite it as anything besides mockery.

Is Trump a moron? - The Feed

Ahhh, the old "NO U" gambit. Devastating. Popular among third-graders and leftists (pardon the redundancy) everywhere.

Ahhh, the old "NO U" gambit. Devastating. Popular among third-graders and leftists (pardon the redundancy) everywhere.

Third graders could do better.

Bolton 'deep in his heart' believes Trump is a 'moron,' former aide claims

 

[daveman]

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

Oh, no, you did NOT just cite DemocraticPsychosUnderground.

Can you?

MEMES: Trump Tax Evasion Scandal - Democratic Underground

DU is nothing but morons. So are those who cite it as anything besides mockery.

DU is nothing but morons. So are those who cite it as anything besides mockery.

Is Trump a moron? - The Feed

Ahhh, the old "NO U" gambit. Devastating. Popular among third-graders and leftists (pardon the redundancy) everywhere.

Ahhh, the old "NO U" gambit. Devastating. Popular among third-graders and leftists (pardon the redundancy) everywhere.

Third graders could do better.

Bolton 'deep in his heart' believes Trump is a 'moron,' former aide claims

And here you are, wallowing in it.

Dumbass.

 

[elektra]

The DemoRATs must redefine socialism. For over 200 years socialism has failed. In the 20th century, socialism is responsible for over 100 million dead people.

But, DemoRATs think they can do better? Perhaps this time only 90 million will die.