Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. Their failed arguments are examined here:

[whutTHEYsay]

Yet one has enough value to be protected and the other does not.

An unborn baby, and a born baby have equal protections from being harmed by every single person in existence living and breathing outside of the particular worm that the unborn baby is using to become ready for birth.

 

[Unkotare]

Whenever a communist starts making predictions, you know he's wrong. From Karl right up till today.

 

[Rawley]

When a woman terminates her own pregnancy within a few weeks of learning she is pregnant using the abortion pill in the privacy of her home, how are you harmed?

WHen a husband shoots his wife in the face in the privacy of their home, how are you harmed? You can't make a logical, rational argument there is a difference

 

[HeyNorm]

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No. it’s not a matter of value assigned to the fetus and a newborn baby. That late time in a pregnancy it is obvious that the mother highly values the fetus and she wants to deliver it to the world. Abortion happens at that stage when something goes wrong.

That is the flaw in your stupid argument as all your arguments are stupid.

If you agree, that abortion is justified to save the life of the mother, then you’ve knocked down your own argument.

Most people place a higher value on the mothers life then the fetus is Life, especially during the rigors and strain and stress of child.

So no, it’s not a matter of value and situated legal argument.

We do have laws justifying killing in the matter of self defense.

You knew that, right?

Waiting for more word salad.

 

[Unkotare]

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The ...Republican Party today demands intellectual conformity ...

This coming from a democrat?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

This coming from a democrat?

I noticed you are intellectually dishonest, which is typical of Republicans by not citing my entire statement. Here it is.

NotfooledbyW said: The white mostly Republican Party today demands intellectual conformity to the male dominant Catholic Roman Church doctrine that human life’s value begins at conception.​

You, Saint Unkotare are a Republican and you are intellectually aligned with that Catholic drop doctrine that the value of human life begins at conception. Do you want to enforce through MAGA contempt for democracy that that Catholic doctrine being enforced as secular law. You are therefore an election, dishonest and aligned with Republican dogma.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

We do have laws justifying killing in the matter of self defense.

Are you agreeing women, among many other factors, have the right to terminate their own pregnancy early on based on self-defense?

That is a reasonable way of looking at reproductive freedom for women.

 

[Unkotare]

I noticed you are intellectually dishonest.....

Your words are your words. Stand by them or choose them more carefully.

 

[Unkotare]

...the value of human life begins at conception. ...

Giving the benefit of the doubt to human life. What a crazy concept!

 

[Slyhunter]

I noticed you are intellectually dishonest, which is typical of Republicans by not citing my entire statement. Here it is.

NotfooledbyW said: The white mostly Republican Party today demands intellectual conformity to the male dominant Catholic Roman Church doctrine that human life’s value begins at conception.​

You, Saint Unkotare are a Republican and you are intellectually aligned with that Catholic drop doctrine that the value of human life begins at conception. Do you want to enforce through MAGA contempt for democracy that that Catholic doctrine being enforced as secular law. You are therefore an election, dishonest and aligned with Republican dogma.

Some extreme right may do that, but not the majority of the party. They believe in being judged by merit and ability, not on what group you are a member of.

 

[Unkotare]

Leave it to a democrat to claim, with a straight face, that valuing human life is a "threat to democracy." The democrat contempt for human life is astonishing. No wonder why the further left you go, the more millions and millions of human lives are lost.

 

[Slyhunter]

Leave it to a democrat to claim, with a straight face, that valuing human life is a "threat to democracy." The democrat contempt for human life is astonishing. No wonder why the further left you go, the more millions and millions of human lives are lost.

Damn, I neglected to read the second line of his post. Even non-religious folks can understand a fetus is a Human being. But I am unsure that Humans are so special that their lives should be protected from conception to old age and death, simply because I, myself, am human.

 

[Slyhunter]

You ignore the fact that Israeli Zionists have been dehumanizing and slaughtering Palestinians for decades:

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They are colonizers there to take other people's lands and they're not going to succeed.

Israel has 1 country, the Arabs have 150. Palestine was not considered a country until Israel moved in, and the Arabs flocked in, in their attempts to push Israel into the sea. The Muslims are the colonizers. Israel has been there since 600 CE.

Not one shred of evidence that there is a Hamas HQ under a hospital. See how easy it is for you to dismiss the lives of civilians when they're Palestinians? The Israeli Jews have no right to take Palestinian farmlands, homes, villages, towns, cities..etc. No right to do it, hence they have no argument or justification, for bombing anyone in the Holy Land. Hamas is a militant resistance, and they have the right to defend themselves against an illegal, brutal, racist, Jewish Zionist occupation.

There are pictures taken by IDF and CNN.

Jewish Israelis have no right to defend themselves against those who they are colonizing and brutalizing. Zero justification for doing that, much less bombing hospitals and schools. You quickly dismiss the lives of Palestinians because you're a piece of shit racist. A Zionist scumbag.

You are justifying terrorism.

The Palestinians are constantly being raped, you dumbass. They're being dehumanized, under a brutal apartheid state, that constantly violates their human rights, dispossesses them of their farmlands and homes, and illegally incarcerates them without pressing charges and murders them. You ignore that because you're a disingenuous piece of shit.

I don't believe that shit. There may be individual criminal crimes by Israelis vs Palestinians, it is not the norm unlike the other way around.

Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Pakistanis, and many other countries, have guns too. They even have nukes.



The Palestinians have one home, Palestine, that's their land and the Ashkenazi European Jews can go back to New Jersey or Poland, wherever the hell they came from. They have no right to impose their religion or racist trash ideology upon the Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Palestinian didn't exist as a country but as a region, much like Bavaria is not a country or a race. I'm comparing it to Bavarians in Germany for the il-informed.

What Israelites are you talking about who have been there since 600 CE/AD? Ashkenazi Jews comprise 80% of world Jewry and they hardly have Middle Eastern DNA or Genetics. It's ridiculous to claim that the Jews from Poland or Crown Heights Brooklyn, are ancient Israelites. You're so stupid. The only reason I waste any time or effort responding to your ridiculous claptrap is for the sake of others, not you. You're so full of shit.

Your opinion, and the opinion of the Islamists.
The religious areas built under the Muslim ones are Christian and Jewish. The Muslims tried, and failed, to eradicatre their religious places by building the Muslim ones on top of them.

All of the Arabs aren't the same. Just because someone is Arab or has adopted the Arab language and culture, doesn't imply that they are of the same country or region of the Middle East. The Palestinians are the Indigenous, native people of the Levant region of the Middle East, and that includes Palestine, a.k.a. The Holy Land. Christians and Muslims, are natives of that land, even more so than Ashkenazi, European Jews. They have more DNA, and genetic connections, to that land than these Ashkenazi Jews. because they never left. You're the one not doing the math or thinking. No one should have the right to brutalize anyone to colonize land, dispossessing people of their country.

Don't care, you might as well be arguing for the return of Native Americans and Spanish folk in America. None of which is going to happen. You lost 3 times, accept defeat gracefully. Or, don't ***** when they raze your places to the ground.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

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harmed?

i. NotfooledbyW Oct’24 Vrftma: When a woman terminates her own pregnancy within a few weeks of learning she is pregnant using the abortion pill in the privacy of her home, how are you harmed? nfbw 241022 Vrftma01651

ii. Rawley Oct’24 Srftma: {reply to 1651}. When a husband shoots his wife in the face in the privacy of their home, how are you harmed? rwly 241023 Srftma01666

iii. NotfooledbyW Oct’24 Vrftma: {reply to 1666} I am not harmed directly by any distant criminal atrocity; that much is true.

The criminal atrocity itself directly impacts the victim, and close relatives, friends, and coworkers, business associates etc; so there is harm to “others” in that aspect of criminal violence.

This is my specific answer to paragraph ii: Please respond accordingly.

The larger point referring to the necessity of criminal prosecution and subsequent restriction of liberty of whoever is convicted of a violent crime. Murderers, kidnappers, rapists and thieves must be apprehended, arrested, indicted, arraigned, tried, convicted and punished for their actions. If none of that were to be the reality we cannot have peace, harmony, high quality of life, and all the other necessities for civil order. Your life and your family’s life and my life and my family‘s life would be harmed if the husband will never be prosecuted for shooting his wife in the face., Men would be shooting their wives in the face at will etc. and etc.. chaos society is horrible to every single member and society.

You snd I would be harmed because civil tranquility and order would cease to exist.

When a woman terminates her pregnancy under safe medical supervision as cited in paragraph i. and everything she does is illegal as it is under the Ohio Constitution recently passed, there is no breakdown in civil orders anyway shape or form two shooting his wife in the face legal.

That’s what I mean when I say no harm cones do you and the entirety of society when a woman terminates her own pregnancy according to proper medical advice and procedures.

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[Unkotare]

... I am unsure that Humans are so special that their lives should be protected from conception to old age and death...

Then on this we disagree.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Leave it to a democrat to claim, with a straight face, that valuing human life is a "threat to democracy."

I am a Democrat and I have never made that claim. So you are a liar..

 

[Unkotare]

I am a democrat and I have never made that claim. ..

You just did.

 

[Rawley]

That’s what I mean when I say no harm cones do you and the entirety of society when a woman terminates her own pregnancy according to proper medical advice and procedures.

"terminates her own pregnancy' Does your use of that euphemism somehow shield you from the unassailable fact that she is taking a life?

Some of seek to protect all life, particularly of the most vulnerable. Some don't. You've made it crystal clear into which camp you stand.

 

[Unkotare]

The democrats love doublespeak. "Reproductive rights" is the exact opposite of that.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You just did.

Where?