Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. Their failed arguments are examined here:

[Lone Wanderer]

A woman is not a government. When the fetus is part of her body and without its own consciousness she is not required to give due process to what she does not want to be there.

How are you defining consciousness? In the later stages of development, it actually does have a consciousness by most agreed upon definitions.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

Do you believe the states can deprive a law abiding citizen of liberty without cause?

You and I define liberty differently.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

A fetus is inside an individual’s body and according to Dr. James Dobson “a developing embryo or fetus was not regarded as a full human being”.

Opinions vary on the matter, but even a pro-choice individual has to define when life should legally begin. 10 years ago, most pro-choice people defined it as the last trimester. Now, it appears that many believe life doesn't legally begin until birth, and yet, the murder of a pregnant woman in many pro-abortion jurisdictions still counts as a double homicide in many cases.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

It falls to the individual as well when an inalienable right is not enumerated in the Bill of Rights such as the right of bodily autonomy.


I suspect your Calvinistic Christianity makes you suspect of individuals having rights outside of your religious belief if not specifically mentioned in the constitution.

I'm suspect of democratic governments and humanity in general, but that's neither here nor there. While I do lean Calvinist now, I wasn't particularly impressed with democracy or humanity even when I was an atheist. As the famous quote goes, "the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

Nonetheless, I do support the notion that states can regulate various aspects of life that aren't covered by the Constitution. The Bill of Rights doesn't specify a right to bodily autonomy, although, if we're going there, why did so many advocates of "bodily autonomy" ignore that concept with things like vax mandates?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

the murder of a pregnant woman in many pro-abortion jurisdictions still counts as a double homicide in many cases.

No one but the potential birth mother can decide the fate of the human life developing inside her body.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

How are you defining consciousness?

The definition is what it is, The question is when does a fetus develop the capability to have it. Preemie survivors suggest the earliest would be 21 weeks.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

As the famous quote goes, "the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

As long as you are willing to lick the jackboot of whoever has convinced the police and military and a good share of the citizenry and corporate interests that a dictatorship is the best way to keep civil order much better than all the stupid voters and their elected officials can.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

What is a person? 240623 {post•349}. progressive hunter Jun’24 Swiap: a person is an individual human being distinguishable from anyone else,, and since a child at conception has their own unique DNA distinguishable from anyone else that makes them a person,, prgrssvhntr 240624 Swiap00349


Look at this failed argument; How many zygotes has Saint_Progressivehunter been able to distinguish between the zygote sbd and the person the zygote is inside?

 

[Lone Wanderer]

No one but the potential birth mother can decide the fate of the human life developing inside her body.

Which creates a completely illogical definition of life...

 

[Lone Wanderer]

The definition is what it is, The question is when does a fetus develop the capability to have it. Preemie survivors suggest the earliest would be 21 weeks.

That would suggest abortion should be banned in most situations from that point onward.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

As long as you are willing to lick the jackboot of whoever has convinced the police and military and a good share of the citizenry and corporate interests that a dictatorship is the best way to keep civil order much better than all the stupid voters and their elected officials can.

Plenty of "democracies" behave like dictatorships. Numerous countries did with the lockdowns.

 

[American Eagle]

Rationalize this.


Fetus 6 weeks.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

MAGA says those are all persons.

Fetus 6 weeks.

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[whutTHEYsay]

Regardless of "the norm", killing innocent babies is wrong. Folks with no moral base is the basic issue.

Are you saying the 170,000 new volunteers in the following article have no moral base perhaps because they do not interpret the Holy Bible the same way you’ve been taught to read it?

'These numbers are insane': MSNBC panel stunned by massive sign-up of Harris volunteers

On Saturday morning the co-hosts and panel of guests on MSNBC's "The Weekend" were stunned by the number of volunteers who have signed up to help Vice President Kamala Harris win the presidency in November.Kicking off the segment on Saturday, MSNBC's Symone Sanders-Townsend pointed out to her...

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The Kamala Harris coalition is hosting 2300 events to motivate voters in key swing states, the campaign has more than 250 battleground offices to organize in the months ahead. And since Sunday, 170,000 new volunteers — these numbers are insane — have joined the campaign effort," she reported.

 

[sealybobo]

If you need to believe all that BS to have a great life more power to you. I disagree completely but you aren’t changing your opinion and I’m not changing mine. Thanks for the opinions.

He nailed you idiot! Great point he made. Whites seem to think the GOP cares about them. It's why so many of us are voting GOP.

The minorities and women all vote Democratic. Labor typically votes Democratic. And for some reason that bothers you. Even though you won't admit you're voting Republican.

No, no one is changing your mind. You're a white male conservative voting for Trump

 

[Frankenstein]

I don’t either.

I vote for one of the two political parties to benefit multicultural working class.

It’s not a matter of race, religion, education, marital status, sexual preference.

It is a simple fact that non-whites happen to make up a large portion of the paycheck to paycheck laborer category of voters who consciously vote Democrat.

It is rational to sense the voters in the Democrat coalition are voting in their own self interest. I trust the worker party. I sure don’t trust the mono-culture that is sympathetic with a billionaire wannabe like Trump.

The Republican Party shows no remorse for the 20Jan6 attack on my National Coalition of Biden voters.

The entire democrat platform is race, and class division, and abortion, along with the mental illness cabal

 

[MagicMike]

Dont spread your legs to any Tom, Dick, or Harry and you wont have to worry about carrying a baby. Abstinence works, but then most Democrats couldnt get laid then.

Abstinence works?
Didn't work too well for your "Virgin Mary" did it?

 

[Papageorgio]

The minorities and women all vote Democratic. Labor typically votes Democratic. And for some reason that bothers you.

How does this bother me?

 

[Frankenstein]

Abstinence works?
Didn't work too well for your "Virgin Mary" did it?

Is that the best you have? Shame on you, though being morally reprehensible is your thing

 

[Frankenstein]

Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. It is why Republicans are suffering politically since they won a states rights argument with the Dobbs decision.

But state’s rights do not supersede individual right’s including the unenumerated individual right to privacy for impregnated women.

One of Saint Ding’s failed arguments goes something like this:

ding said: It's extremely clear that the reason you are playing word games in your dehumanization of human life is to make it easier to kill them and dismiss their right to life. dvng. #4,716​

An argument based upon what Saint Ding thinks I am thinking being evil, is not an argument at all.

Protected unborn life from the instant of conception has not been a norm for Americans for centuries. The norm the past fifty years has been that protected life begins at reasonable expectation of life outside the womb.

Saint Heynorm does the same thing by accusing me of thinking ZEFs are worthless clump of cells,

HeyNorm said: “ ….. all they are carrying is a worthless clump of cells, right? Like a parasite, right?” hynrm.23.11.19 #772​

I don’t think that at all. My response is here:
nf.23.11.21 #11,948 to hynrm.23.11.19 #772

nf.23.11.21 #1

NO ONE PERSON IS FORCING WOMEN TO DO ANY SUCH THING! NOBODY FORCED PREGNANCY ON HER!!!!!!!!