Spoonman
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koshergrl
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Here's a funny thing...Oregon unemployment benefit recipients who were in extension mode all received big scary letters telling them their unemployment was ending 12/31/13.
And then they were quietly re-upped effective 01/01/14, with nice new balances and weekly benefit amounts.
emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
1. Simple solution is to substitute loans for welfare handouts. Set up a work-study program similar to student loans and grants, and keep the money flowing on a rotating basis. instead of hiring lobbyists or lawyers to fight for one side or another on these contested laws, or spending 130 million on PR for the contested health care reform half the nation opposes, why not spend that money creating jobs in collections and payment plans to finance education and health care AGAINST debts owed to govt that taxes already paid for?
if the money owed isn't paid back yet, then credits can be lent against that amount owed as long as there is a plan or agreement for paying it back from the previous recipients. turn welfare into a rolling work study loan program, lending money out as it is paid back.
2. One major thing I learned from watching both the Greens and then the Occupy "consensus process" get blocked by obstructionists
is that people who block should be REQUIRED to provide an alternative. And they should have an open floor or process to hear citizens who have alternatives.
there should be 2-3 groups of representative roles.
a. people who provide input or objections or both
b. people who facilitate between the input and objections
and where they acknowledge a block/objection they substitute a correction or option
c. people who approve the final decision as accommodating all the input
and objections successfully where no one is excluded from representation
but all grievances are redressed
so the people doing this blocking without correcting should be in group a
and not in charge of either b or c
and people in charge of b should have a system or hierarchy through the different parties, districts or states, where the constituents who DO have alternative ideas can feed their input through to correct the points of conflict, from any level, all the way to the top
I know a lot of people who have ideas that could solve these conflicts
and they aren't being heard by their own parties much less by Congress
so until that gets "unblocked" then we keep seeing this process get deadlocked at the top
if the money owed isn't paid back yet, then credits can be lent against that amount owed as long as there is a plan or agreement for paying it back from the previous recipients. turn welfare into a rolling work study loan program, lending money out as it is paid back.
2. One major thing I learned from watching both the Greens and then the Occupy "consensus process" get blocked by obstructionists
is that people who block should be REQUIRED to provide an alternative. And they should have an open floor or process to hear citizens who have alternatives.
there should be 2-3 groups of representative roles.
a. people who provide input or objections or both
b. people who facilitate between the input and objections
and where they acknowledge a block/objection they substitute a correction or option
c. people who approve the final decision as accommodating all the input
and objections successfully where no one is excluded from representation
but all grievances are redressed
so the people doing this blocking without correcting should be in group a
and not in charge of either b or c
and people in charge of b should have a system or hierarchy through the different parties, districts or states, where the constituents who DO have alternative ideas can feed their input through to correct the points of conflict, from any level, all the way to the top
I know a lot of people who have ideas that could solve these conflicts
and they aren't being heard by their own parties much less by Congress
so until that gets "unblocked" then we keep seeing this process get deadlocked at the top
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Good, EVERY amendment should be denied on the face of it.In fact NO amendments should be allowed. If you want to get a bill passed, introduce it on its OWN merits.
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It is when people are getting let go because of the added regulations of Obamacare in the market place
Sunshine
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If Obama says the economy has recovered, the economy has recovered. They need to go out and get all those jobs he created.
RandomVariable
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If you can tell me how many amendments were allowed to be presented on 1845 before the Republicans voted it down I will continue to converse this with you. Otherwise go back to your regularly scheduled radio program.
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rdean
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rdean
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If you're so competitive then explain to me how the rich can hold you down as you claim they can. I have done very well for myself despite the fuckups of my youth and without interference from any outside group including the rich.
Grampa Murked U - Where, if anywhere, does personal responsibility fit into that? I made shit wages when I started out in life. In fact my first two bosses only hired me because of the tax incentives they got for hiring an ex con.
But you need to be applauded that you admit you did get help from the government. That's what it's there for.
Flopper
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With out federal benefit extensions, unemployment in most states ends after 6 months. The chance of finding a job during the first few weeks is about 3 in 10. Over the first 6 months, most people that are unemployed will find jobs. The chances of finding a job after 6 months continues to drop. After 1 year, the chances are 1 in 10.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/14/news/economy/long-term-unemployment/
Extending unemployment benefits indefinitely is not the answer nor is cutting all support to the long term unemployed. What we need is a better program for dealing with long term unemployment.
Most employers are very reluctant to hire someone who has been out of work for an expended period of time. Many employers do not even look at the long term unemployed. I think one plan that was been suggested has some merit. Pay the extended unemployment benefits, either part or all to the employer who is willing to take a chance on hiring a person who has been out of work for an extended period, gradually decreasing payments. Even it the job doesn't workout, the employee has some recent experience to carry forward in a job search.
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Barb
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It isn't when you're doing it to be a douche bag.
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That's right! I forgot! All those ******* Green jobs he was going to create. Can anyone tell me where the next mass production plant is opening by Solyindra?
Maybe he was planning to employee those psychopaths at GitMo he promised to move some where else. Or maybe the 'stimulus money' will pay off.
Are all those thousands of Soylindra employees driving Chey Volts?
Hope they aren't buying any Chrysler products. Not since ******* Fiat bought them out!
What a bunch of LIB losers! Literally everything they touch ***** the country.
Spoonman
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watch for a flurry of job applications going out all of a sudden
Barb
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Retired, are you?
Lovebears65
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You know all we hear from you dems is Obama created so many jobs. If we have so many jobs created why do we need to extend unemployment???
Barb
Carpe Scrotum
How many were we down when he started?
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And who on earth is doing it to be a douche bag? We are defunding Obamacare because it's going to destroy our health care system
Remodeling Maidiac
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I am quite competitive. I will not stop until I am the #1 TROLL.
If you're so competitive then explain to me how the rich can hold you down as you claim they can. I have done very well for myself despite the fuckups of my youth and without interference from any outside group including the rich.
Grampa Murked U - Where, if anywhere, does personal responsibility fit into that? I made shit wages when I started out in life. In fact my first two bosses only hired me because of the tax incentives they got for hiring an ex con.
But you need to be applauded that you admit you did get help from the government. That's what it's there for.
Derp derp derp
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rdean
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Oh these minimum wage Republicans. Insisting they have it made.
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