Republican Senators send a letter to Iran. Wow. Damn!

[ChrisL]

Can we just return to the forum discussion? Which is Chris making up bullshit and then expecting others to hunt for answers with her Google search ... which actually proved you wrong. In case you forgot already, I asked you how did Russia and China interfere with sanctions which allowed Iran to begin enriching Uranium .... and you took me to a link about how China went against the sanctions after Iran had already begun enriching Uranium.

Here's a good one . . .

Getting China to Sanction Iran Foreign Affairs

Excerpt:

For more than three decades, the United States has tried to persuade the international community to counter the threat posed by Iran's Islamic regime. The results have often been underwhelming, with even Washington's closest allies resisting tough measures against Iran because of strategic considerations and commercial interests.

Recently, however, that landscape has changed. Last June, the United Nations Security Council penalized Tehran for failing to suspend its uranium-enrichment program by adopting strict new sanctions, including an arms embargo and tough restrictions on Iranian banks and the Revolutionary Guard Corps. Resolution 1929 also paved the way for individual states to adopt even more stringent penalties. Australia, Canada, Japan, Norway, South Korea, and the European Union implemented unprecedented curbs on investment in Iran. The U.S. Congress passed new sanctions against any company selling gasoline to Iran or investing in Iran's refining capacity. Collectively, these measures have squeezed Iran's economy.

Yet one uncertainty still looms large: China's commitment to such policies. Driven by economic interests, as well as sympathy for Iran's grievances, China is the only major player still active in the Iranian oil patch. Whereas firms from most other countries have retreated due to international pressure and Iran's unfavorable business climate, China and its companies adhere only to the letter of Resolution 1929, which contains no explicit restrictions on energy investment or trade. China has thus emerged as the linchpin of the international sanctions regime against Iran and, by extension, of the effort to forestall Iran from acquiring a nuclear capability.

Again, proving my point. When was UN resolution adopted? When did Iran start enriching Uranium?

That's because countries do NOT abide by the sanctions, obviously. IF they were, Iran would have no means to obtain such materials. Do you understand that? Other countries like China lie and hide things too!

Let me guess, you are going to claim that CHINA is honest now and that they hadn't been doing business with Iran all along? Lol.

 

[Slyhunter]

Can we just return to the forum discussion? Which is Chris making up bullshit and then expecting others to hunt for answers with her Google search ... which actually proved you wrong. In case you forgot already, I asked you how did Russia and China interfere with sanctions which allowed Iran to begin enriching Uranium .... and you took me to a link about how China went against the sanctions after Iran had already begun enriching Uranium.

Look at my google link. There are MANY articles to choose from. China and others interfere with sanctions and, of course, that makes them pretty much ineffective. IF we could get them to cooperate, then sanctions would be much more effective. Do you deny this?

Which is exactly the reason why chasing someone's Google searches is a waste of time. How many articles do you expect others to hunt through when you're inacapable of making a point? If you can prove your assertion, do so. So far, all you've done is corroborate my position.

You're arguing a pointless technicality. Who cares if they created centrifuges first or if china violated sanctions first. Both were done, the order is immaterial.

 

[Slyhunter]

sanctions kill innocent people who have no say Chris, while the gvt officials bask in luxury....and continue to pursue their nuke goals.

Sanctions were a success in Iraq, eh?

Saddam and his fuel for food scam just made him richer...

Sanctions don't work when the players cheat the system. Russia, China, and others trade with these countries we have sanctions against making our sanctions worthless. That leaves us with no alternative but war.

And please explain to me why it is in America's best interest to send our children, father's brother's and sisters etc to DIE in this War of yours that you deem as necessary?

And what is the end result that you see happening in this war of mere choice of yours? Will the entire middle east magically become a land of milk and honey, with world peace and love abound after this war of yours?

Or will this lead to the continuation of perpetual war?

The death of those wanting to spread their caliphate until the only ones left are the more reasonable ones.

 

[Slyhunter]

Can we just return to the forum discussion? Which is Chris making up bullshit and then expecting others to hunt for answers with her Google search ... which actually proved you wrong. In case you forgot already, I asked you how did Russia and China interfere with sanctions which allowed Iran to begin enriching Uranium .... and you took me to a link about how China went against the sanctions after Iran had already begun enriching Uranium.

Look at my google link. There are MANY articles to choose from. China and others interfere with sanctions and, of course, that makes them pretty much ineffective. IF we could get them to cooperate, then sanctions would be much more effective. Do you deny this?

Which is exactly the reason why chasing someone's Google searches is a waste of time. How many articles do you expect others to hunt through when you're inacapable of making a point? If you can prove your assertion, do so. So far, all you've done is corroborate my position.

You see? Now I just posted you a link. You refuse to acknowledge it, so why should I bother? You are obviously not capable of figuring things out on your own. That's your problem if you just want to abide by whatever your government decides, right or wrong, because of your own partisanship.

If you were to search, you could find PLENTY of information about how other countries have not cooperated with our sanctions. This, in turn, makes them ineffective. There are things we can use to our advantage to persuade them to join in on tough sanctions. MONEY talks.

Christ he's arguing a technicality trying to get you to prove that China's violating the sanctions allowed Iran to build the centrifuges. China violated the sanctions. Iran built the centrifuges. two items I don't care if one caused the other.

 

[ChrisL]

Can we just return to the forum discussion? Which is Chris making up bullshit and then expecting others to hunt for answers with her Google search ... which actually proved you wrong. In case you forgot already, I asked you how did Russia and China interfere with sanctions which allowed Iran to begin enriching Uranium .... and you took me to a link about how China went against the sanctions after Iran had already begun enriching Uranium.

Look at my google link. There are MANY articles to choose from. China and others interfere with sanctions and, of course, that makes them pretty much ineffective. IF we could get them to cooperate, then sanctions would be much more effective. Do you deny this?

Which is exactly the reason why chasing someone's Google searches is a waste of time. How many articles do you expect others to hunt through when you're inacapable of making a point? If you can prove your assertion, do so. So far, all you've done is corroborate my position.

You see? Now I just posted you a link. You refuse to acknowledge it, so why should I bother? You are obviously not capable of figuring things out on your own. That's your problem if you just want to abide by whatever your government decides, right or wrong, because of your own partisanship.

If you were to search, you could find PLENTY of information about how other countries have not cooperated with our sanctions. This, in turn, makes them ineffective. There are things we can use to our advantage to persuade them to join in on tough sanctions. MONEY talks.

Christ he's arguing a technicality trying to get you to prove that China's violating the sanctions allowed Iran to build the centrifuges. China violated the sanctions. Iran built the centrifuges. two items I don't care if one caused the other.

And we give China money. How stupid are we?

 

[JoeB131]

Sanctions do work, especially when you can get everyone on board. If sanctions did NOT work, we would not bother with them and would have abandoned them long ago.

We've had sanctions on Cuba for 55 years now, trying to get rid of Castro.

Castro is still there.

Sanctions don't work. If anything, they strengthen dictatorships, because now any failure of the government to perform can be blamed on "those people".

 

[JoeB131]

Bullshit. I don't want to reform their culture. I just don't want US giving them the means to destruction.

Which we aren't. But that's okay.

You just want to whine about their "culture" to justify our bad behavior.

History lesson. Iran had real Democracy once. And when they voted for a guy who wanted to spend Iran's oil wealth on Iran, the CIA and British Petroleum went in and toppled him and put the Shah in power. He proceeded to brutalize his people for 25 years.

So I can see why Iran would want a "Don't **** with Me!" Weapon. Which is what nukes are, really.

 

[JoeB131]

And we give China money. How stupid are we?

Extremely. You whine about Iran executing homosexuals (who were probably child molestors, but never mind) but in China, you have mass executions, you have people being harvested for organs, you have prison camps for cheap labor, you have people being sent off to prison camps for tweeting bad things about the government. Women are forced to have abortions.

And big corporations can't wait to ship jobs over there.

 

[JoeB131]

We have the MOAB, which can level a capital city into a parking lot.

Not really.

You just don't know much about military stuff, do you?

 

[JoeB131]

Sanctions don't work when the players cheat the system. Russia, China, and others trade with these countries we have sanctions against making our sanctions worthless. That leaves us with no alternative but war.

NO, we have a perfectly good alternative to war.

It's called "Minding your own ******* business".

And

"Stop letting the Zionists dictate our policy."

 

[Faun]

Can we just return to the forum discussion? Which is Chris making up bullshit and then expecting others to hunt for answers with her Google search ... which actually proved you wrong. In case you forgot already, I asked you how did Russia and China interfere with sanctions which allowed Iran to begin enriching Uranium .... and you took me to a link about how China went against the sanctions after Iran had already begun enriching Uranium.

Look at my google link. There are MANY articles to choose from. China and others interfere with sanctions and, of course, that makes them pretty much ineffective. IF we could get them to cooperate, then sanctions would be much more effective. Do you deny this?

Which is exactly the reason why chasing someone's Google searches is a waste of time. How many articles do you expect others to hunt through when you're inacapable of making a point? If you can prove your assertion, do so. So far, all you've done is corroborate my position.

You see? Now I just posted you a link. You refuse to acknowledge it, so why should I bother? You are obviously not capable of figuring things out on your own. That's your problem if you just want to abide by whatever your government decides, right or wrong, because of your own partisanship.

If you were to search, you could find PLENTY of information about how other countries have not cooperated with our sanctions. This, in turn, makes them ineffective. There are things we can use to our advantage to persuade them to join in on tough sanctions. MONEY talks.

Christ he's arguing a technicality trying to get you to prove that China's violating the sanctions allowed Iran to build the centrifuges. China violated the sanctions. Iran built the centrifuges. two items I don't care if one caused the other.

Umm, it's not a "technicality." It's evidence that sanctions don'don't work. I understand it's a pesky little detail which hinders a perfectly good rant, but it demonstrates that despite sanctions, Iran still managed to enrich uranium. China doing business with Iran after becomes nothing but a red herring to this argument. So what's a rightie like you to do with such information? Admit the sanctions failed to prevent Iran from forging ahead on their nuclear program or make up some dumbass excuse like ... that's just a technicality.

 

[Slyhunter]

Sanctions do work, especially when you can get everyone on board. If sanctions did NOT work, we would not bother with them and would have abandoned them long ago.

We've had sanctions on Cuba for 55 years now, trying to get rid of Castro.

Castro is still there.

Sanctions don't work. If anything, they strengthen dictatorships, because now any failure of the government to perform can be blamed on "those people".

Sanctions were never given a chance in Cuba. Cuba trades with Russia and tourist flock there for vacations.

 

[lake avenue]

devil's advocate. making a side comment, etc.

Oh, devil's advocate, huh? Okay . . .

Why is this such a common occurrence on these forums? A laugh at someone's post with no real content added to the discussion. What's the point in you even posting?

I have added to the discussion. Don't know what you're talking about. I was just acknowledging your off topic comment and unwillingness to participate in the discussion.

Playing devils advocate is not an unwillingness to participate in the discussion, I am unwilling to participate in whatever past feuds you seem to have with each other. As if a smiley and 'Okay..' isn't off-topic lmfao

I'm not having a "feud." Don't know what your issue is. If you want to participate, then you can look at google. It proves what I said that China stands in the way of sanctions. NOW, do you have something to add?

That's the point. Telling someone to go look at Google is inhibiting discussion and makes you look lazy. You spent extra posts telling him to just 'look it up' when you could have just have him a source. There's literally no reason for that besides you being an asshat.

 

[lake avenue]

Sanctions do work, especially when you can get everyone on board. If sanctions did NOT work, we would not bother with them and would have abandoned them long ago.

We've had sanctions on Cuba for 55 years now, trying to get rid of Castro.

Castro is still there.

Sanctions don't work. If anything, they strengthen dictatorships, because now any failure of the government to perform can be blamed on "those people".

Sanctions were never given a chance in Cuba. Cuba trades with Russia and tourist flock there for vacations.

Still a shit country, though.

 

[ChrisL]

Oh, devil's advocate, huh? Okay . . .

Why is this such a common occurrence on these forums? A laugh at someone's post with no real content added to the discussion. What's the point in you even posting?

I have added to the discussion. Don't know what you're talking about. I was just acknowledging your off topic comment and unwillingness to participate in the discussion.

Playing devils advocate is not an unwillingness to participate in the discussion, I am unwilling to participate in whatever past feuds you seem to have with each other. As if a smiley and 'Okay..' isn't off-topic lmfao

I'm not having a "feud." Don't know what your issue is. If you want to participate, then you can look at google. It proves what I said that China stands in the way of sanctions. NOW, do you have something to add?

That's the point. Telling someone to go look at Google is inhibiting discussion and makes you look lazy. You spent extra posts telling him to just 'look it up' when you could have just have him a source. There's literally no reason for that besides you being an asshat.

Not at all. I do that so that people cannot nit pick at the source. This way you get to choose your own sources.

 

[ChrisL]

Can we just return to the forum discussion? Which is Chris making up bullshit and then expecting others to hunt for answers with her Google search ... which actually proved you wrong. In case you forgot already, I asked you how did Russia and China interfere with sanctions which allowed Iran to begin enriching Uranium .... and you took me to a link about how China went against the sanctions after Iran had already begun enriching Uranium.

Look at my google link. There are MANY articles to choose from. China and others interfere with sanctions and, of course, that makes them pretty much ineffective. IF we could get them to cooperate, then sanctions would be much more effective. Do you deny this?

Which is exactly the reason why chasing someone's Google searches is a waste of time. How many articles do you expect others to hunt through when you're inacapable of making a point? If you can prove your assertion, do so. So far, all you've done is corroborate my position.

You see? Now I just posted you a link. You refuse to acknowledge it, so why should I bother? You are obviously not capable of figuring things out on your own. That's your problem if you just want to abide by whatever your government decides, right or wrong, because of your own partisanship.

If you were to search, you could find PLENTY of information about how other countries have not cooperated with our sanctions. This, in turn, makes them ineffective. There are things we can use to our advantage to persuade them to join in on tough sanctions. MONEY talks.

Christ he's arguing a technicality trying to get you to prove that China's violating the sanctions allowed Iran to build the centrifuges. China violated the sanctions. Iran built the centrifuges. two items I don't care if one caused the other.

Umm, it's not a "technicality." It's evidence that sanctions don'don't work. I understand it's a pesky little detail which hinders a perfectly good rant, but it demonstrates that despite sanctions, Iran still managed to enrich uranium. China doing business with Iran after becomes nothing but a red herring to this argument. So what's a rightie like you to do with such information? Admit the sanctions failed to prevent Iran from forging ahead on their nuclear program or make up some dumbass excuse like ... that's just a technicality.

China and others, as my link states, have never cooperated with sanctions in 3 decades.

 

[ChrisL]

Can we just return to the forum discussion? Which is Chris making up bullshit and then expecting others to hunt for answers with her Google search ... which actually proved you wrong. In case you forgot already, I asked you how did Russia and China interfere with sanctions which allowed Iran to begin enriching Uranium .... and you took me to a link about how China went against the sanctions after Iran had already begun enriching Uranium.

Look at my google link. There are MANY articles to choose from. China and others interfere with sanctions and, of course, that makes them pretty much ineffective. IF we could get them to cooperate, then sanctions would be much more effective. Do you deny this?

Which is exactly the reason why chasing someone's Google searches is a waste of time. How many articles do you expect others to hunt through when you're inacapable of making a point? If you can prove your assertion, do so. So far, all you've done is corroborate my position.

You see? Now I just posted you a link. You refuse to acknowledge it, so why should I bother? You are obviously not capable of figuring things out on your own. That's your problem if you just want to abide by whatever your government decides, right or wrong, because of your own partisanship.

If you were to search, you could find PLENTY of information about how other countries have not cooperated with our sanctions. This, in turn, makes them ineffective. There are things we can use to our advantage to persuade them to join in on tough sanctions. MONEY talks.

Christ he's arguing a technicality trying to get you to prove that China's violating the sanctions allowed Iran to build the centrifuges. China violated the sanctions. Iran built the centrifuges. two items I don't care if one caused the other.

Umm, it's not a "technicality." It's evidence that sanctions don'don't work. I understand it's a pesky little detail which hinders a perfectly good rant, but it demonstrates that despite sanctions, Iran still managed to enrich uranium. China doing business with Iran after becomes nothing but a red herring to this argument. So what's a rightie like you to do with such information? Admit the sanctions failed to prevent Iran from forging ahead on their nuclear program or make up some dumbass excuse like ... that's just a technicality.

Basically, you are trying to tell us is that we have no options, except helping Iran or going to war. That is just not the case. Sanctions haven't worked because of other countries not abiding by them. I'm sure you are smart enough to figure that out. Or maybe not. Lol.

 

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