candycorn
Diamond Member
We'll, I think it comes down to faith. You make many valid points, but, at the same time, this country has come a long way. We all know at the end of the day, in our hearts of hearts, and of our souls of souls, we know we cannot have a stable civilized society, if we do not pursue what is right. Do we always get it right? No! More times no than yes, but we know what we must strive for. And your two conviction cases you illustrated, point to that continuing struggle. Those two conviction cases are the symptoms and evidence of our struggle that tell us we still have a long way to go. We can still get that right. Let's keep pushing, talking, debating, scratching, fighting, whatever it takes to achieve what we all know is right. We may not get 100% participation, but we know what needs to happen.
You know, as sickening as it is, if you go all the way back to 1607 in this country, and revisit the atrocities the European settlers imposed upon other races of people, even their own, it's always been a fight and a struggle to get things right. We aren't finished getting it right. And somehow, we continue working towards making it right, even if we take a few steps backwards. That has been my observation, and I think our subconscious knows this. There are those, who, in my opinion, fantasize about Banana Republics, criminality, an unfair justice system, an unfair playing field, or anything that pits their interests above others. But even they know that is not the path that serves the populace or the world in the long haul.
Just look at the Roman Empire. It eventually fell. How? Because those who were trying to live out their fantasies of power and control, eventually lost to the masses. They lost to outside tribes, overused and abused farmlands, inequality, injustices, slavery, etc. The very same things a small percentage are fantasizing about doing again. But, I think we might be better tooled, educated, and prepared to push back those fantasies this time.
We're a long way from collapse in some ways. The average American has more opportunities at birth than most adults have by the end of their lives. By that I mean education, the fact that you won't be conscripted into military service without an act of Congress, that you won't be shot dead in the street unless you hit someone with a skate board.
That is a different topic from what I'm talking about although it is good to remember.
What I mean is simply this:
A grand jury was announced today in Georgia to look into whether or not Trump and his allies took part in election interference.
Court Approves Special Grand Jury in Trump Election Inquiry (Published 2022)
A district attorney in Georgia is investigating possible election interference by former President Donald J. Trump and his allies.
www.nytimes.com
We heard the tapes of the phone calls to where he clearly did.
"I need you to find me 11,000 votes"
‘Fellas, I Need 11,000 Votes’: Trump Pressures Georgia Officials To Overturn Election In Leaked Audio Clip
The exchange could land the president in hot water legally.
www.forbes.com
What will be the outcome? Likely Nothing.
We know he tried to interfere in the election...we have it on tape. The Grand Jury will come back with no indictment at all somehow, inexplicably reasoning that such a request is not improper. Or, my favorite, that electioneering is improper but not criminal since there is no iron clad proof that this was Trump on the phone...it could have ben an imposter after all!!!!! But if he is indicted...the court that it gets referred to will say, "Yeah but he wasn't successful so who cares?" or "How can you interfere in an election after the election"???? (as we saw with Pence--clearly you can try). And then there will be an appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal after appeal until finally the courts move on or Trump passes away or the Supreme Court of Georgia rules "big deal" or something equally as hollow.
Trump is the object of this investigation but it could just as easily have been Cuomo or Blagovich or some prominent/uber wealthy liberal.
And the first order of business for the next Republican President if she/he is seated in 2024? Pardoning Trump and the entire administration so we can "move on".
I'd be happy as a lark if I were wrong about this but I know I"m not. At least I hope I'm wrong.