Republican Budget goes after the Weak, Favors the powerful

[Claudette]

Thanks for showing us your humane side. "**** you, I got mine". That about sums it up, right? Ahhh, the spirit of being American. Hold your head high, be proud, be a true patriot.

No "**** you Dude." I worked for mine.

We know. **** everyone else, I got what I need.

Nope. I worked for what I have. I never expect anyone to pay my way for anything. I only say **** those who expect someone else to provide it for em.

 

[kaz]

we need fairness in laws, so that those below the wealthiest can earn what can support them.....

doling out handouts to those who have been taken advantage of, does not solve our underlying problems, I AGREE.....it is only a patch, that does not address our real problems....but to blame those that work full time for a living, only to not earn enough to feed themselves is a mistake, and wrong imho... it's the playing field that is not level.

So another brainless not taxing people more then others but not as much as you want them to is actually tilting the playing field in their favor. Do you notice only the left has to argue like that? If truth were on your side, you'd stick to truth rather then characterizing not fair enough in your view is actually not fair in their favor.

kaz, it's not just the unfairness in tax laws, though it is part of it....but it is taking the middle class's social security taxes and using that money to pay for what income tax revenues should be paying, it is rewriting bankruptcy laws so that the middle class and poor get hurt more, even though banks already collect the risk of loaning to these higher risk people by charging them 30% interest rates, it's the federal gvt giving printed money to the banks at less than 1 % while the banks continue to charge us peons 10%=30% for our loans from them, it's the gvt bailing out these banks with our tax monies, it's the gvt having laws on the books that gets a GE a credit of our tax monies when they earned billions upon billions in profits, it's printing money that causes inflation that hurts the middle class and the poor the most....it's laws and trade policies that gives businesses money to move jobs overseas, it's laws that allowed banks to become too big to fail.....

there is so much more.....

all of these type things tilt the playing field in the direction of the wealthiest among us, while making it harder for the middle class to succeed imho.

care

You look at all the opportunity everyone has in this country that's unprecedented in this history of man and just complain it's not even easier. All I can tell you is that's life. Every door in this country is open to anyone, but no one's going to hand it to them. Including if you get your way with government, and then there's going to be a lot less pie to distribute as you continue to disincent achievement and get less achievement as a result. You have to stop making excuses for people and start to challenge them to do for themselves if you want there to be a real change.

 

[Care4all]

So another brainless not taxing people more then others but not as much as you want them to is actually tilting the playing field in their favor. Do you notice only the left has to argue like that? If truth were on your side, you'd stick to truth rather then characterizing not fair enough in your view is actually not fair in their favor.

kaz, it's not just the unfairness in tax laws, though it is part of it....but it is taking the middle class's social security taxes and using that money to pay for what income tax revenues should be paying, it is rewriting bankruptcy laws so that the middle class and poor get hurt more, even though banks already collect the risk of loaning to these higher risk people by charging them 30% interest rates, it's the federal gvt giving printed money to the banks at less than 1 % while the banks continue to charge us peons 10%=30% for our loans from them, it's the gvt bailing out these banks with our tax monies, it's the gvt having laws on the books that gets a GE a credit of our tax monies when they earned billions upon billions in profits, it's printing money that causes inflation that hurts the middle class and the poor the most....it's laws and trade policies that gives businesses money to move jobs overseas, it's laws that allowed banks to become too big to fail.....

there is so much more.....

all of these type things tilt the playing field in the direction of the wealthiest among us, while making it harder for the middle class to succeed imho.

care

You look at all the opportunity everyone has in this country that's unprecedented in this history of man and just complain it's not even easier. All I can tell you is that's life. Every door in this country is open to anyone, but no one's going to hand it to them. Including if you get your way with government, and then there's going to be a lot less pie to distribute as you continue to disincent achievement and get less achievement as a result. You have to stop making excuses for people and start to challenge them to do for themselves if you want there to be a real change.

I agree that this is greatest country in the world, even with all of our faults we have opportunities that other citizens of other countries would beg for....but to deny that the playing field has been and is still being tilted to make things harder for some and easier for others is not taking place is not in the reality realm imho.

I do not believe handouts is a solution to the problems.....but I see them as only a patch to the underlying problems that do exist.

 

[kaz]

to deny that the playing field has been and is still being tilted to make things harder for some and easier for others is not taking place is not in the reality realm imho

I agree, but you haven't remotely offered any solution that in any way untilts the field. Every time government goes in it makes it worse. While the field may have tilts, it's fair enough that anything is possible by anyone. Focusing on getting people to embrace that responsibility for their own lives and making what they want happen could be effective. Government forced re-tillting and redistribution of wealth are not going to do anything but make it worse.

 

[Care4all]

to deny that the playing field has been and is still being tilted to make things harder for some and easier for others is not taking place is not in the reality realm imho

I agree, but you haven't remotely offered any solution that in any way untilts the field. Every time government goes in it makes it worse. While the field may have tilts, it's fair enough that anything is possible by anyone. Focusing on getting people to embrace that responsibility for their own lives and making what they want happen could be effective. Government forced re-tillting and redistribution of wealth are not going to do anything but make it worse.

I agree with you kaz, people need to have the "When the going gets tough, the tough get going" attitude and it will help break through those brick walls that stand in the way....this could help a great deal....but there are still laws and trade agreements that weigh heavily in the favor of the wealthiest that could be addressed as well, so that the full time worker, won't need to beg for food stamp assistance.

 

[Seawytch]

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Ppl don't work till April to pay taxes. They work because that's how you earn money. You are offended by poor people wanting or needing assistance but turn a blind eye to the richest of the rich receiving handouts, beating the system and not paying taxes.

Why is that? Either you're against people defrauding the system or not? The only anger you have is for the poorest of the poor.

Quite an easy target, kicking around kids and the poor..

I get so sick and tired of hearing about the damned poor. Let the poor get off their asses and take care of themselves and their resonsibilities for a change.

I would like to see all entitlements, subsidies and tax breaks gone.

If you and others like you want to take care of the poor well just pool your money and do so. You at least will be doing it because you want to not because some assholes in Govt decided that those with should take care of those without.

I'd be willing to bet if the free ride came to a screeching halt tomorrow you would see these poor and downtrodden surviving. You would see them get off their asses.

I'm sick of the freeloaders. All of them.

Thanks for showing us your humane side. "**** you, I got mine". That about sums it up, right? Ahhh, the spirit of being American. Hold your head high, be proud, be a true patriot.

The funny thing is that statements like this come from those that would claim that the United States is a "Christian Nation".

 

[Vanquish]

Are there lazy citizens? Yes.

Are there evil corporations? Yes.

Are all citizens lazy? No.

Are all corporations evil? No.

Do some honest people need help because of life circumstances beyond their control? Yes.

Is that help de-motivating..as in makes them lazy? Sometimes yes...Sometimes no.

Should all help to those in need be seen as a handout? No.

Do evil corporations use their money and influence to become more profitable? Yes.

Does that profit sometimes come at the expense of taxpayers? Yes.

If you can't agree with the simple points above, then there's something wrong with you. Seriously. There's never going to be any way we can get anything fixed if people just say "**** the poor. It's all handouts that they could be doing for themselves."

The government's role is not to create a nanny state...but it's also too draconian to say that forced government aid is anti-capitalism. It just is.

There's a line...and it's not a clear, easy to define line..which is why some fucktards can't wrap their heads around it. But it's there. A way to advance the common good without becoming a nanny state.

 

[Seawytch]

Just another example of Republicans giving MORE away to the richest Americans and taking it from the less fortunate...

The Georgia GOP Tax Increase

 

[Lasher]

Republicans in the House of Representatives are expected to unveil a budget plan next week for the coming fiscal year that would cut taxes, deepen spending cuts and cut the Medicaid health-insurance plan for the poor and disabled, according to lawmakers and aides familiar with the plan.

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But it would not balance the budget for 20 years at the earliest, said Republican Representative Tim Scott. That may not be fast enough for the party's more conservative members, who are planning a budget proposal of their own.

Republicans eye bigger cuts amid budget fight - Yahoo! News

So here is the priorities, Cut taxes then cut the programs for the poor and disabled to make it even out 20 years from now. Great.

Seriously? It's like the Republicans are snatching the slingshot from David and giving it to Goliaith

It isn't the right of the poor and disabled to have the government rob people of their property and give it to them. Most people sucking on the public tit are neither poor nor disabled, they are simply oportunist jerks who want something for nothing, and a day's hard work is pure anathema to these sorry insects and rodents.

 

[Lasher]

Republicans in the House of Representatives are expected to unveil a budget plan next week for the coming fiscal year that would cut taxes, deepen spending cuts and cut the Medicaid health-insurance plan for the poor and disabled, according to lawmakers and aides familiar with the plan.

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But it would not balance the budget for 20 years at the earliest, said Republican Representative Tim Scott. That may not be fast enough for the party's more conservative members, who are planning a budget proposal of their own.

Republicans eye bigger cuts amid budget fight - Yahoo! News

So here is the priorities, Cut taxes then cut the programs for the poor and disabled to make it even out 20 years from now. Great.

Seriously? It's like the Republicans are snatching the slingshot from David and giving it to Goliaith

Correct your grammer first dumbass... here ARE the priorities... Second?

You are making this partisan...and on a false premise that Government was NEVER mandated to do in the first place...only assumed the role...and third?

*Blaming Republicans* For wanting to take something Unconstitutional AWAY...that should have never been there in the first place according to Article 1,Section 8 Of the Constitution...

Your spelling isn't exactly sterling, my friend - "grammar."

 

[Lasher]

I'm certain that cuts that involve fraud could be taken that would not affect the recipients of Medicaid....why not focus on the en mass medicaid fraud to cut the budget instead of turning a blind eye to such and going after the recipients?

And we should stop fighting Israel's wars in the M.E. and paying them and the Arabs not to fight each other.

 

[Lasher]

Republicans eye bigger cuts amid budget fight - Yahoo! News

So here is the priorities, Cut taxes then cut the programs for the poor and disabled to make it even out 20 years from now. Great.

Seriously? It's like the Republicans are snatching the slingshot from David and giving it to Goliaith

Good news. We've found the death panels.

Exactly. The Republicans have instituted their own Death Panels a la Jan Brewer.

May God bless Governor Brewer for her efforts on behalf of decent, law-abiding Americans.

 

[Lasher]

Um it has been deemed so by 2 judges, and deemed ok by 2 others.

And wtf does Medicaid have to do with anything? Does Medicaid Force you to buy something from a private company or pay a fine/tax? No? Then why compare it to the part of the Health care law that 2 Judges have already deemed unconstitutional.

I'm sorry, I thought this thread was about the cuts the republicans plan to make to Medicaid..... I didn't realize you were talking about obamacare?

He just wants to change the subject because Republicans routinly target and bully the least amongst us. Its easy to kick the little people and when Republicans have to choose...They always choose the smallest guys to kick around

Well put, Karl Marx.

 

[Lasher]

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Ppl don't work till April to pay taxes. They work because that's how you earn money. You are offended by poor people wanting or needing assistance but turn a blind eye to the richest of the rich receiving handouts, beating the system and not paying taxes.

Why is that? Either you're against people defrauding the system or not? The only anger you have is for the poorest of the poor.

Quite an easy target, kicking around kids and the poor..

You need to go live with Fidel in Cuba, old sport. This isn't supposed to be a socialist, collectivist government, as you seem to want.

 

[Lasher]

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Ppl don't work till April to pay taxes. They work because that's how you earn money. You are offended by poor people wanting or needing assistance but turn a blind eye to the richest of the rich receiving handouts, beating the system and not paying taxes.

Why is that? Either you're against people defrauding the system or not? The only anger you have is for the poorest of the poor.

Quite an easy target, kicking around kids and the poor..

I get so sick and tired of hearing about the damned poor. Let the poor get off their asses and take care of themselves and their resonsibilities for a change.

I would like to see all entitlements, subsidies and tax breaks gone.

If you and others like you want to take care of the poor well just pool your money and do so. You at least will be doing it because you want to not because some assholes in Govt decided that those with should take care of those without.

I'd be willing to bet if the free ride came to a screeching halt tomorrow you would see these poor and downtrodden surviving. You would see them get off their asses.

I'm sick of the freeloaders. All of them.

Lawdy, Miss Claudie, I think I love you!

 

[Lasher]

You would see them alright..storming through your door. Looking out for the poor prevents other unnecessary consequences from happening.

Looking out for the rich over the poor needs to be addressed

So you feel we should pay the poor not to attack us and rob us?

The rich don't need any help from the government, they are too busy trying to figure out how to save their businesses and hire more of you who hate them for being successful.

 

[Lasher]

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Ppl don't work till April to pay taxes. They work because that's how you earn money. You are offended by poor people wanting or needing assistance but turn a blind eye to the richest of the rich receiving handouts, beating the system and not paying taxes.

Why is that? Either you're against people defrauding the system or not? The only anger you have is for the poorest of the poor.

Quite an easy target, kicking around kids and the poor..

I get so sick and tired of hearing about the damned poor. Let the poor get off their asses and take care of themselves and their resonsibilities for a change.

I would like to see all entitlements, subsidies and tax breaks gone.

If you and others like you want to take care of the poor well just pool your money and do so. You at least will be doing it because you want to not because some assholes in Govt decided that those with should take care of those without.

I'd be willing to bet if the free ride came to a screeching halt tomorrow you would see these poor and downtrodden surviving. You would see them get off their asses.

I'm sick of the freeloaders. All of them.

I'm sick of freeloading CORPORATIONS, too.

Guess which class of freeloaders gets more from government?

Here's a hint...it isn't po folks.

Doubt me?

Look it up.

Guess whether it's poor or rich who keep the wheels of industry and business turning and employing you "poor" folks? Top 10 % of wage earners pay 50% of all income taxes; bottom 10% of wage earners pay zero % of all income taxes.

 

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Republicans in the House of Representatives are expected to unveil a budget plan next week for the coming fiscal year that would cut taxes, deepen spending cuts and cut the Medicaid health-insurance plan for the poor and disabled, according to lawmakers and aides familiar with the plan.

<snip>

But it would not balance the budget for 20 years at the earliest, said Republican Representative Tim Scott. That may not be fast enough for the party's more conservative members, who are planning a budget proposal of their own.

Republicans eye bigger cuts amid budget fight - Yahoo! News

So here is the priorities, Cut taxes then cut the programs for the poor and disabled to make it even out 20 years from now. Great.

Seriously? It's like the Republicans are snatching the slingshot from David and giving it to Goliaith

It isn't the right of the poor and disabled to have the government rob people of their property and give it to them. Most people sucking on the public tit are neither poor nor disabled, they are simply oportunist jerks who want something for nothing, and a day's hard work is pure anathema to these sorry insects and rodents.

The Fanjul brothers -- Alfonso "Alfy", José "Pepe", Alexander, and Andres—are owners of Flo-Sun, Inc., a vast sugar and real estate conglomerate in the United States and Dominican Republic, comprising the subsidiaries Domino Sugar, Florida Crystals, as well as the airport and resorts surrounding La Romana in the Dominican Republic. As of 2008, the company owned 450,000 acres (1,800 km2) of property.

FanjulCorp's Flo-Sun company is frequently criticized as being the largest recipient of U.S. Government aid and heightened profit due to the protections levied in favor of U.S. sugar producers. It is widely known that sugar costs about two-three times as much in the U.S. as it does on the world market.

 

[Lasher]

I am 68 and trying to retire but can't do it yet. Washington is cutting medicare so no doctors will take me, problem solved. I either die early so can't vote or get sick and can't get to the poles, they win both ways.

How do congressman sleep at night. Sad thing is I bet they don't have any trouble at all..

You should have foreseen this situation when you were younger, old sport. The fact that you didn't shouldn't make me responsible for your upkeep. If I were old and insolvent, I would have to take my fate like a man and thank the powers that be I was able to get so seasoned before I passed away.

 

[Lasher]

Is it any wonder that the definition of the name Claudette is LAME?

And is it any wonder that you have make these lame arguments that have nothing to do with the topic at hand? It's not that you can honestly argue that we aren't spending enough consider we don't have the Trillions we are spending now.

I wonder what Avatar thinks about all the money we borrow to give to foreign nations.