Republican bill stops funding to states issuing DL's to illegals

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

What does a Drivers License have to do with immigration?

It raises the status of illegals closer to that of citizens.

No it doesn’t

It just shows they have the skills and training to drive a car.

C'mon man.

 

[pknopp]

Illegal aliens should be deported instead of coddled by giving them permission to drive on our streets

Since they won't be and we continue to allow them to work, we need to make sure they can drive safely.

No, we need to arrest and deport them if caught driving without a drivers license.

They need to be arrested and deported in any event. They are afterall, ILLEGAL!

If you believed that you would be pressuring the Trump administration to make raid after raid after raid on the businesses hiring them.

There are so many businesses hiring them that it would be in the news daily. Why isn't it? Politicians (including Trump) want them here.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

No, it's already been recorded that 90% of the illegals come in through the ports of entry. And it's not just the overstaying of the Visas it's also the fake entry papers.

That has not even been alleged by any credible source much less proven

but if we do both types of law enforcement the question is moot

Okay, I'll give you the win on this. You seem to need one and who am I to deny you a win once in awhile.

Thank you Daryl but this is not personal with me

Ending illegal alien migration is good for America

It's personal to me. I have friends that are nearing shutting down businesses that have been affected by the illegal workforces. Some have already shut down and now work at some min wage job. That's one hell of a lot of American Talent to lose.

Turns Out, Trump’s ‘Evil’ ICE Raids Benefited American Workers

There is a problem with it. Rump Enterprises as well as his Uber Rich Buddies all hire illegals, use them until they notice that other workers are getting more, ask for more (like at least min wage) then they call ICE and have ICE do a raid and haul them off. Right after that, they just import more illegals to work for slave labor wages.

 

[Dragonlady]

Illegal immigrant didn't "break in", they're being openly invited by employers to come to America.

Employers don't have the legal ability to invite them anywhere. If anything, it's the Democrat party inviting them in.

When our yard was overrun with raccoons, we discovered our third floor tenant was feeding them. Putting bowls of food out on her deck. Not only did the raccoons come back, but they brought their friends, their kids, and the whole problem got worse.

And how is that different than allowing illegals to obtain drivers licenses in the US?

A driver's license is a protection to the general public, not a job.

Republican Ronald Reagan gave millions of illegals amnesty. Trump has not prosecuted any corporate employers, despite raids on numerous facilities. Not one. He's rounded up thousands of illegals but he's not deporting them.

Clinton passed the most stringent anti-illegal laws on record. Republicans have consistenly blocked legislation increasing regulations and punishment for employers.

Obama deported more illegal than Trump has. Trump just locks them up indefinitely at the taxpayers' expense. What a waste of taxpayer money that is. Incarcerating 45,000 otherwise law abiding residents, for a misdemeanor crime.

You keep believing Trump's lies about illegals. No other country in the world has this problem with illegal immigration. That's because no other country in the world allows employers to hire illegals with impunity. Trump won't punish those who employ illegals because he's one of those employers.

So you're under the assumption that Trump runs our court system, laws, and processing of illegals? Trump doesn't do any of that. Once the illegals or employers are caught, it's in the hands of the courts--not the President. And remember how many times the commies took Trump's policies to court in order to have his immigrant policies stopped either temporarily or permanently.

What laws regarding employers have Republicans stopped? When did Democrats ever offer any laws to make coming here more difficult? The Democrats have a Welcome door mat at our border. Giving them drivers licenses make that mat even bigger.

Again, insisting that people who drive a car be licensed, certified as capable to operate a car and conversant with the laws of the road is not some benefit which encourages illegal immigration. It's a protection for the general public. Similarly, insisting on medical exams for illegals isn't giving them free medical care, it's to ensure they're not bringing in diseases.

In 2006, Democrats tried to pass a bill strengthening laws against employing illegal immigrants and Republicans refused, saying the existing laws were sufficient. It should also be noted that W's Administration didn't prosecute any employers either. Not one.

So you have Democrats with higher rates of deportation, than Republicans. Strong anti-illegal laws than Republicans, and Republicans refusing to prosecute employers.

If you're not going to deport illegals, then why put them in jail. Crossing the border illegally is NOT a felony. These people are not endangering anyone. And you're paying $700 per day, per prisoner, to simply hold them indefinitely.

Stop blaming people who are trying to keep the general public safe all manner of crimes which arise when people exploit illegal immigration, and start punishing the employers who are really the ones inviting them.

But most of all start using your head. Trump has been profitting from illegal immigration all of his adult life. His companies have been prosecuting multiple times for employing illegals. But now he lies to you and claims the Democrats are for open borders. That's simply not true.

Playing into your fears and racism is what Trump does. It has nothing to do with facts.

After the stock market crash of 2008, 300,000 illegal immigrants self-deported because they couldn't find work. If that doesn't tell you where the solution to the problem lies, nothing will.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Illegal aliens should be deported instead of coddled by giving them permission to drive on our streets

Since they won't be and we continue to allow them to work, we need to make sure they can drive safely.

No, we need to arrest and deport them if caught driving without a drivers license.

They need to be arrested and deported in any event. They are afterall, ILLEGAL!

There are a lot of problems with that which includes the litigation to have them legally deported. Trump tried to institute a fast track system, but the leftist courts shot it down. He's doing everything he can, so the priority are those who are criminals.

As I mentioned earlier, the only thing that would work is create a law that getting caught being here illegally is a minimum of five years in prison. That would do the trick for both, border crossers and Visa overstays.

All you Republicans keep going on about states' rights.

Federal LAW Trumps the State ya foreign nitwit.

Why don't you find a forum FOR YOUR COUNTRY and stop wasting our time with your WORTHLESS tripe.

Why don't you take a good hard look at how you're being lead into dictatorship by a corrupt and criminal administration who is pandering to your worst instincts?

This is a sharp descent into authoritarianism and dictatorship. This is straight out of 1984. Trump is calling for the prosecution and incarceration of anyone who criticizes him, or opposes him. His "enemies list" now includes Bolton, Kelly, Sondland, judges, lawyers, anyone who criticizes him.

Trump asked Barr to prosecute Bolton. All of his investigations have found NOTHING to support his allegations against the previous administration, or those involved in the various investigations, but he's still trying to have McCabe and Comey charged, and now Brennan.

Just like Trump, you want to silence those who say things you don't want to hear, but you can't silence truth. The majority of Americans believe this is wrong and those numbers are growing daily and Trump continues to subvert the rule of law.

Trump turns on everyone, eventually. All the people he's attacking now are the people he hired.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Illegal aliens should be deported instead of coddled by giving them permission to drive on our streets

Since they won't be and we continue to allow them to work, we need to make sure they can drive safely.

No, we need to arrest and deport them if caught driving without a drivers license.

They need to be arrested and deported in any event. They are afterall, ILLEGAL!

There are a lot of problems with that which includes the litigation to have them legally deported. Trump tried to institute a fast track system, but the leftist courts shot it down. He's doing everything he can, so the priority are those who are criminals.

As I mentioned earlier, the only thing that would work is create a law that getting caught being here illegally is a minimum of five years in prison. That would do the trick for both, border crossers and Visa overstays.

One problem, Rumps idea didn't allow for due process. Even a Canine has some form of due process under the law. The answer is still expand the number of Immigration Courts until they get the up to 2 year backlog taken care of.

 

[pknopp]

Illegal aliens should be deported instead of coddled by giving them permission to drive on our streets

Since they won't be and we continue to allow them to work, we need to make sure they can drive safely.

No, we need to arrest and deport them if caught driving without a drivers license.

They need to be arrested and deported in any event. They are afterall, ILLEGAL!

There are a lot of problems with that which includes the litigation to have them legally deported. Trump tried to institute a fast track system, but the leftist courts shot it down. He's doing everything he can, so the priority are those who are criminals.

As I mentioned earlier, the only thing that would work is create a law that getting caught being here illegally is a minimum of five years in prison. That would do the trick for both, border crossers and Visa overstays.

One problem, Rumps idea didn't allow for due process. Even a Canine has some form of due process under the law. The answer is still expand the number of Immigration Courts until they get the up to 2 year backlog taken care of.

You would actually have to pay for that. Not that Trump understands that concept.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Illegal immigrant didn't "break in", they're being openly invited by employers to come to America.

Employers don't have the legal ability to invite them anywhere. If anything, it's the Democrat party inviting them in.

When our yard was overrun with raccoons, we discovered our third floor tenant was feeding them. Putting bowls of food out on her deck. Not only did the raccoons come back, but they brought their friends, their kids, and the whole problem got worse.

And how is that different than allowing illegals to obtain drivers licenses in the US?

Dragonlady is correct. If the Jobs weren't there inviting them in, there wouldn't be any way you could blame it on the Democrats because they would stay home. One of the reasons that Mexico tries to hire almost anyone willing to work coming up south of them is that in certain areas, there is a shortage of workers. And in those industrial areas in Mexico, they don't have the drug cartels because the Uber Rich have their own private armies.

 

[Mac-7]

Illegal aliens should be deported instead of coddled by giving them permission to drive on our streets

Since they won't be and we continue to allow them to work, we need to make sure they can drive safely.

Only you do not want illegals deported and the border sealed

both of which can and should be done

If the jobs are cut off, they deport themselves.

You mean just pick up their anchor baby and return to mexico?

I dont think so

and when they refuse to leave I dont think bleeding heart libs will let them starve

 

[Daryl Hunt]

What does a Drivers License have to do with immigration?

It just makes sure drivers have the proper skills and training?

The OP is a bit misleading, but the actual gop proposal is not insane. Halting all funding would be unconst under Roberts reasoning in denying the dems the power to force states to expand Medicaid or lose all Medicaid dollars. Once the feds tie money to states doing "something" it should limit the fed's power to change what the "something" is.

But this money seems to be for law enforcement and courts. And as the link provided makes clearer, DL is only a portion. But basically is a local govt chooses not tell its law enforcement folks to cooperate with the DOJ in immigration issues, then the local jurisdiction may lose federal dollars that go to assting law enforcement.

And then the States limit the amount they send to the Feds. Actually, I am for that type of program. Make the states stand on their own. Too much money ends up being channeled to poor Red States from Well Off Blue States to pay for the Red States mishandling of their own economy.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Since they won't be and we continue to allow them to work, we need to make sure they can drive safely.

No, we need to arrest and deport them if caught driving without a drivers license.

They need to be arrested and deported in any event. They are afterall, ILLEGAL!

There are a lot of problems with that which includes the litigation to have them legally deported. Trump tried to institute a fast track system, but the leftist courts shot it down. He's doing everything he can, so the priority are those who are criminals.

As I mentioned earlier, the only thing that would work is create a law that getting caught being here illegally is a minimum of five years in prison. That would do the trick for both, border crossers and Visa overstays.

One problem, Rumps idea didn't allow for due process. Even a Canine has some form of due process under the law. The answer is still expand the number of Immigration Courts until they get the up to 2 year backlog taken care of.

You would actually have to pay for that. Not that Trump understands that concept.

I think if we take a crosshatch of everyone's ideas and put them to work, the extra Courts would be just temporary. Believe it or not, we are all pretty much saying the same things. But each one of you thinks just your part is the most important. It's all important.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Illegal aliens should be deported instead of coddled by giving them permission to drive on our streets

Since they won't be and we continue to allow them to work, we need to make sure they can drive safely.

Only you do not want illegals deported and the border sealed

both of which can and should be done

If the jobs are cut off, they deport themselves.

You mean just pick up their anchor baby and return to mexico?

I dont think so

and when they refuse to leave I dont think bleeding heart libs will let them starve

There is a huge problem. It's called the 18th amendment. You know, that pesky thing called the Constitution?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Illegal immigrant didn't "break in", they're being openly invited by employers to come to America.

Employers don't have the legal ability to invite them anywhere. If anything, it's the Democrat party inviting them in.

When our yard was overrun with raccoons, we discovered our third floor tenant was feeding them. Putting bowls of food out on her deck. Not only did the raccoons come back, but they brought their friends, their kids, and the whole problem got worse.

And how is that different than allowing illegals to obtain drivers licenses in the US?

A driver's license is a protection to the general public, not a job.

Republican Ronald Reagan gave millions of illegals amnesty. Trump has not prosecuted any corporate employers, despite raids on numerous facilities. Not one. He's rounded up thousands of illegals but he's not deporting them.

Clinton passed the most stringent anti-illegal laws on record. Republicans have consistenly blocked legislation increasing regulations and punishment for employers.

Obama deported more illegal than Trump has. Trump just locks them up indefinitely at the taxpayers' expense. What a waste of taxpayer money that is. Incarcerating 45,000 otherwise law abiding residents, for a misdemeanor crime.

You keep believing Trump's lies about illegals. No other country in the world has this problem with illegal immigration. That's because no other country in the world allows employers to hire illegals with impunity. Trump won't punish those who employ illegals because he's one of those employers.

So you're under the assumption that Trump runs our court system, laws, and processing of illegals? Trump doesn't do any of that. Once the illegals or employers are caught, it's in the hands of the courts--not the President. And remember how many times the commies took Trump's policies to court in order to have his immigrant policies stopped either temporarily or permanently.

What laws regarding employers have Republicans stopped? When did Democrats ever offer any laws to make coming here more difficult? The Democrats have a Welcome door mat at our border. Giving them drivers licenses make that mat even bigger.

Again, insisting that people who drive a car be licensed, certified as capable to operate a car and conversant with the laws of the road is not some benefit which encourages illegal immigration. It's a protection for the general public. Similarly, insisting on medical exams for illegals isn't giving them free medical care, it's to ensure they're not bringing in diseases.

In 2006, Democrats tried to pass a bill strengthening laws against employing illegal immigrants and Republicans refused, saying the existing laws were sufficient. It should also be noted that W's Administration didn't prosecute any employers either. Not one.

So you have Democrats with higher rates of deportation, than Republicans. Strong anti-illegal laws than Republicans, and Republicans refusing to prosecute employers.

If you're not going to deport illegals, then why put them in jail. Crossing the border illegally is NOT a felony. These people are not endangering anyone. And you're paying $700 per day, per prisoner, to simply hold them indefinitely.

Stop blaming people who are trying to keep the general public safe all manner of crimes which arise when people exploit illegal immigration, and start punishing the employers who are really the ones inviting them.

But most of all start using your head. Trump has been profitting from illegal immigration all of his adult life. His companies have been prosecuting multiple times for employing illegals. But now he lies to you and claims the Democrats are for open borders. That's simply not true.

Playing into your fears and racism is what Trump does. It has nothing to do with facts.

After the stock market crash of 2008, 300,000 illegal immigrants self-deported because they couldn't find work. If that doesn't tell you where the solution to the problem lies, nothing will.

Illegal immigrant didn't "break in", they're being openly invited by employers to come to America.

Employers don't have the legal ability to invite them anywhere. If anything, it's the Democrat party inviting them in.

When our yard was overrun with raccoons, we discovered our third floor tenant was feeding them. Putting bowls of food out on her deck. Not only did the raccoons come back, but they brought their friends, their kids, and the whole problem got worse.

And how is that different than allowing illegals to obtain drivers licenses in the US?

Dragonlady is correct. If the Jobs weren't there inviting them in, there wouldn't be any way you could blame it on the Democrats because they would stay home. One of the reasons that Mexico tries to hire almost anyone willing to work coming up south of them is that in certain areas, there is a shortage of workers. And in those industrial areas in Mexico, they don't have the drug cartels because the Uber Rich have their own private armies.

This LefTarded spin is so damn fascinating....You sometimes seeming smart people don't realize just how fucking stupid you sound.
"I bought and did the drugs because the drug dealer was on the corner selling them..it's his fault that I'm a drug addict."
"The liquor store on the corner is responsible for my alcoholism."
"I'm only a prostitute because a man offered me money for my puss...he made me do it."
"If you leave the keys in the ignition and you car is stolen it is not the thief's fault."

Please listen to yourselves once in a while...you'll stay somewhat credible if you do.

 

[Mac-7]

Illegal aliens should be deported instead of coddled by giving them permission to drive on our streets

Since they won't be and we continue to allow them to work, we need to make sure they can drive safely.

No, we need to arrest and deport them if caught driving without a drivers license.

They need to be arrested and deported in any event. They are afterall, ILLEGAL!

There are a lot of problems with that which includes the litigation to have them legally deported. Trump tried to institute a fast track system, but the leftist courts shot it down. He's doing everything he can, so the priority are those who are criminals.

As I mentioned earlier, the only thing that would work is create a law that getting caught being here illegally is a minimum of five years in prison. That would do the trick for both, border crossers and Visa overstays.

One problem, Rumps idea didn't allow for due process. Even a Canine has some form of due process under the law. The answer is still expand the number of Immigration Courts until they get the up to 2 year backlog taken care of.

And tighten the refugee loophole

 

[Ame®icano]

Illegal immigrant didn't "break in", they're being openly invited by employers to come to America.

Employers don't have the legal ability to invite them anywhere. If anything, it's the Democrat party inviting them in.

When our yard was overrun with raccoons, we discovered our third floor tenant was feeding them. Putting bowls of food out on her deck. Not only did the raccoons come back, but they brought their friends, their kids, and the whole problem got worse.

And how is that different than allowing illegals to obtain drivers licenses in the US?

Dragonlady is correct. If the Jobs weren't there inviting them in, there wouldn't be any way you could blame it on the Democrats because they would stay home. One of the reasons that Mexico tries to hire almost anyone willing to work coming up south of them is that in certain areas, there is a shortage of workers. And in those industrial areas in Mexico, they don't have the drug cartels because the Uber Rich have their own private armies.

 

[pknopp]

Illegal aliens should be deported instead of coddled by giving them permission to drive on our streets

Since they won't be and we continue to allow them to work, we need to make sure they can drive safely.

Only you do not want illegals deported and the border sealed

both of which can and should be done

If the jobs are cut off, they deport themselves.

You mean just pick up their anchor baby and return to mexico?

I dont think so

and when they refuse to leave I dont think bleeding heart libs will let them starve

No, 20 million people can not be fed. The sad part is that you know you are supporting a liar.

 

[Rigby5]

Illegal immigrants are not coming to the US in order to get driver's licenses.
All countries issue them, they are easier to get on other countries, and the US has to recognize the use of foreign driver's licenses in the US.

So if we do not issue a driver's license to an undocumented immigrant in the US, we are not gaining anything.
All that means is they will still drive, but under foreign criteria that we will then have no input on.

And it is not legal for the TSA to demand a state driver's license as a federal ID anyway.
Lots of people do not drive or have a driver's license.
It can not legally be demanded by anyone except someone enforcing driving laws on a person driving.

If you want a federal citizenship ID, then pass a federal law creating one.
It is illegal to try to use extortion on states so that you can coopt their state driver's license.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Illegal aliens should be deported instead of coddled by giving them permission to drive on our streets

Since they won't be and we continue to allow them to work, we need to make sure they can drive safely.

Only you do not want illegals deported and the border sealed

both of which can and should be done

If the jobs are cut off, they deport themselves.

You mean just pick up their anchor baby and return to mexico?

I dont think so

and when they refuse to leave I dont think bleeding heart libs will let them starve

There is a huge problem. It's called the 18th amendment. You know, that pesky thing called the Constitution?

Ummm ...

Amendment XVIII
Section 1.
After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

Section 2.
The Congress and the several states shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 3.
This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Since they won't be and we continue to allow them to work, we need to make sure they can drive safely.

No, we need to arrest and deport them if caught driving without a drivers license.

They need to be arrested and deported in any event. They are afterall, ILLEGAL!

There are a lot of problems with that which includes the litigation to have them legally deported. Trump tried to institute a fast track system, but the leftist courts shot it down. He's doing everything he can, so the priority are those who are criminals.

As I mentioned earlier, the only thing that would work is create a law that getting caught being here illegally is a minimum of five years in prison. That would do the trick for both, border crossers and Visa overstays.

One problem, Rumps idea didn't allow for due process. Even a Canine has some form of due process under the law. The answer is still expand the number of Immigration Courts until they get the up to 2 year backlog taken care of.

And tighten the refugee loophole

The problem isn't the loopholes. It's the fact that we have Due Process by law and that includes people in Immigration Court, we have only so many Immigration Courts and we also have only so many beds to keep people waiting for arraignment. I believe the law is 60 days but some want it changed to 20 days. I don't mind the change if we get the additional courts as well. Even with the 60 days, they still have to play Catch and Release way too much of the time.

 

[Mac-7]

What does a Drivers License have to do with immigration?

It just makes sure drivers have the proper skills and training?

The OP is a bit misleading, but the actual gop proposal is not insane. Halting all funding would be unconst under Roberts reasoning in denying the dems the power to force states to expand Medicaid or lose all Medicaid dollars. Once the feds tie money to states doing "something" it should limit the fed's power to change what the "something" is.

But this money seems to be for law enforcement and courts. And as the link provided makes clearer, DL is only a portion. But basically is a local govt chooses not tell its law enforcement folks to cooperate with the DOJ in immigration issues, then the local jurisdiction may lose federal dollars that go to assting law enforcement.

And then the States limit the amount they send to the Feds. Actually, I am for that type of program. Make the states stand on their own. Too much money ends up being channeled to poor Red States from Well Off Blue States to pay for the Red States mishandling of their own economy.

The states send zero dollars to the fed gov