Repealing the second amendment...

[DrLove]

Do you really, really think that this has a chance? Of ever becoming law? Oh well...live your dream...I think the weather is getting better..might go out and shoot..I have some nice pieces of scrap steel--like how they ring..much like that noise you hear in your head, I expect.

That's a good reminder that I'm due to get to the range with my Glock before the Deep State comes for it!

 

[Rustic]

Yes, repealing the second amendment is totally an agenda item.
Then Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer will personally go door to door grabbing guns.
Bunker up!

In New York....miss an arbitrary deadline and lose your Right to bear arms forever.....

Fail to meet that deadline....asshole, and any interaction with a police officer becomes a gun confiscation event.......call the cops on a noisy neighbor, and they can see you missed the deadline and will ask you to hand over your guns......they don't have to go door to door, they will just wait for any interaction to put you in jail....moron.


Miss a deadline, lose your gun rights forever

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you no one wants to take your guns. The state of New York wants to:

The passage of New York’s so-called SAFE Act (“Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act of 2013”) drastically changed the landscape for lawful gun owners in the Empire State. Besides new restrictions on commonly owned semi-automatic rifles the state calls “assault weapons,” bans on magazines, and limits on the number of rounds that could be loaded into a gun, the Act imposed a requirement that handgun license holders be “recertified” every five years, with all licensees completing the initial recertification by January 31, 2018. The recertification formrequires that the licensee disclose his or her “name, date of birth, gender, race, residential address, social security number, [and] firearms possessed by such license holder,” along with the listed identifying details (make, model, caliber, and serial number). (“Firearm” under the applicable New York law means a handgun or other gun of a size which may be concealed upon the person.)

A failure to recertify operates as an automatic revocation of the license. Possession of a “firearm” without a valid license is a criminal offense, and the revocation makes the person ineligible to apply for or renew a license.

Once a license is revoked, state law mandates that every gun owned or possessed by the licensee be “surrendered” to a law enforcement agency.


A New York State Police field guide on the SAFE Act, prepared by attorneys for the Division of State Police, unequivocally instructs officers that when “a licensee becomes ineligible to hold a pistol permit, the Safe Act requires the person to surrender all firearms to police, including all rifles and shotguns for which no license or registration is required.” (Emphasis in the original.)

Should the person fail to comply by turning in every gun, the SAFE Act (codified as NY Penal Law § 400.00(11)(c)) not only authorizes but requires that police officers confiscate such property: the guns “shall be removed and declared a nuisance and any police officer or peace officer acting pursuant to his or her special duties is authorized to remove any and all such weapons.”

That state is so fucked up, I could not even imagine living there.

 

[2aguy]

Yes, typical anti gunner....immediately go to the "gun is a penis" comparison......moron.

The reason the majority of people answer polling questions about background checks the way they do is they don't understand the issue and the question isn't honest.

The question is not..."Do you favor universal background checks if it requires universal gun registration?" And there is no question that points out..."Do you realize that universal gun registration has led to gun confiscation in Germany, Britain, Australia, Canada, California and New York, and now that you know this, do you favor universal background checks which will require universal gun registration?"

Ask you buddies, if they exist, those questions....then get back to us.

Damn..it's as though I'm shouting into a well...I'm not an 'anti-gunner' are you stupid..or is it just that you can't read? I own 3 guns..and support the 2nd. Idiots..sheesh!
I will put it to you that most of us DO understand..and reject your premise...period. I reject your slanted characterizations and I reject your comparisons of the United States to other countries. Last I checked There were tens of millions of guns legally owned in California...quite a few in New York as well. Because some losers get their weapons taken..most because they break the law..does NOT validate your argument.

That there are abuses..notably the failure to return confiscated weapons to lawful owners does NOT validate your argument. No system is perfect..and you will always find some problem. So?

You are a fool. Baby step confiscation is baby steps to confiscation...moron.......if they have the power they will outlaw guns.....they are going to take legally owned guns from law abiding gun owners in New York if they miss a licensing deadline...guns that are already in possession of the law abiding gun owners......you are a moron, you don't understand the issue......

Check it out asswipe...you are the moron to even begin to believe that series of NRA invented events would ever take place. I understand just fine...you freakin' tool. In New York they broke the law..criminals don't get guns..once they broke the law..they were no longer 'law-abiding'.

You keep stating the gospel according to the NRA...you might as well save your breath. We could trade insults all day long..it still will not make you right.,

Wow...shitstain...didn't take long to draw you out......

this ruling...


https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Published/141945A.P.pdf

That is, we are convinced that the banned assault weapons and large-capacity magazines are among those arms that are “like” “M-16 rifles” — “weapons that are most useful in military service” — which the Heller Court singled out as being beyond the Second Amendment’s reach.

...ends your possession of bolt action hunting rifles....and pump action shotguns...and semi auto pistols......since all of those are current military weapons......moron.....

And when they get those, they will move on to revolvers....and lever action rifles...also military weapons...in fact, miltary weapons they will say were used in the genocide against the native Americans......and you will lose those too...

Do you really, really think that this has a chance? Of ever becoming law? Oh well...live your dream...I think the weather is getting better..might go out and shoot..I have some nice pieces of scrap steel--like how they ring..much like that noise you hear in your head, I expect.

It already is law in Massachusetts, and if the Supreme Court upholds it, it is the law of the land and states can start enacting gun bans based on that 4th circuit ruling....are you this stupid in real life, or do you just pretend to be this stupid when you post...?

 

[Rustic]

In New York....miss an arbitrary deadline and lose your Right to bear arms forever.....
Miss a deadline, lose your gun rights forever

WOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!

Buy more guns and ammo...

 

[2aguy]

Do you really, really think that this has a chance? Of ever becoming law? Oh well...live your dream...I think the weather is getting better..might go out and shoot..I have some nice pieces of scrap steel--like how they ring..much like that noise you hear in your head, I expect.

That's a good reminder that I'm due to get to the range with my Glock before the Deep State comes for it!

the ruling in the 4th Circuit Court of appeals on the Massachusetts assault weapon ban, if left to stand, will allow them to take your pistol.....

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Shit for brains, Our military and law-enforcement are overwhelmingly pro second amendment. They would never go for firearm confiscation, That would result in millions on both sides dying. Universal background checks are for spineless control freaks like yourself. There is a reason why your so called universal background checks were slapped down, spineless fuckers like yourselves try to control everybody.
Violent criminals should be put down that’s how you limit population in prisons

***yawn***
Not much real to say huh? Reading comprehension could use a little boost as well. I believe I said that confiscation of guns is a non-starter--but your knee-jerk no doubt got in the way of what passes for your intelligence. I'm tired of children paying the price for your penis substitute. Anything that limits criminals and crazies from gun ownership is fine with me. If that includes you..oh well.

BTW..as a retired Veteran with combat time--you're full of shit if you think that the military is all about zero controls on private gun ownership...I took a bit of a poll at the VA hospital a few months ago..a little more than half present favored background checks. The reason that there are no universal checks..despite the majority of Americans favoring them..has more to do with the NRA and the gun lobby in general..along with gerrymandering.

But I wouldn't expect you to appreciate nuance..or facts. Just keep regurgitating the NRA talking points...You'll do fine.

Yes, typical anti gunner....immediately go to the "gun is a penis" comparison......moron.

The reason the majority of people answer polling questions about background checks the way they do is they don't understand the issue and the question isn't honest.

The question is not..."Do you favor universal background checks if it requires universal gun registration?" And there is no question that points out..."Do you realize that universal gun registration has led to gun confiscation in Germany, Britain, Australia, Canada, California and New York, and now that you know this, do you favor universal background checks which will require universal gun registration?"

Ask you buddies, if they exist, those questions....then get back to us.

The pro universal background checks anti-gun nutters don’t even understand the difference between a sporting rifle and a military grade weapon.
Their ignorance is astounding, the federal government/deep state know through firearm confiscation/single payer/believe in man made climate change is the only way to control the American individual. The goal of socialism is to eliminate any sort of freedom and individuality.

Trying to understand fellas like him is a lost cause...

Keep saying it loud and proud..let those echoes just convince you of the truth of your position.

Yes...you are stupid......anarchism would be Right wing...moron,except for the ones who claim socialist anarchism....fascism is left wing moron, since it calls for more government, not less......nazims is socialism moron...
You truly do not understand anything you are posting about...

Noope..moron..you do not get to reinvent history or social science..the latest alt/right babble is stupid and unsupportable..although I love watching people try.

I got you sussed anyway--got a pic of Spencer on your Jack-off wall do you?

 

[Rustic]

Again Zippo threat to my hunting rifles. Never had been. I don't care who is in charge. Where do you folks farmer this trash up from?

This is just a sporting rifle, nothing more nothing less - 100 percent a. sporting rifle.

Nice..can you pot a deer with it at a hundred yards--stock seems a bit flimsy?

Back east that would work for some white tails in the trees, but mostly it’s a varmint rifle. It certainly is not an assault rifle only a fool would think so.
.223 is illegal in some states for larger game, it works great for hogs though.

 

[initforme]

It looks like a piece of junk.

 

[Rustic]

Do you really, really think that this has a chance? Of ever becoming law? Oh well...live your dream...I think the weather is getting better..might go out and shoot..I have some nice pieces of scrap steel--like how they ring..much like that noise you hear in your head, I expect.

That's a good reminder that I'm due to get to the range with my Glock before the Deep State comes for it!

I live near two military bases, and I sell firearms to the local sheriffs department.
The people I sell firearms to do not trust the federal government that should tell you something. I would be out of business if I did not have military, police and firemen as customers.

 

[Issa]

The US should let go of its love for guns....is becoming laughable.
Check any news outlet you will read, hear and see the following:
Son kills his entire family
Husband kills his entire family.
Work shooting.
Preschool shooting.
Freeway shooting.
Church shooting.
Game shooting.

Do gun lovers know that most of the world doesn't have this madness, they you even know what leaving without guns feels like?
I do i lived ina gun free country , it' ******* pathetic that you guys love guns and violence.

 

[Rustic]

Damn..it's as though I'm shouting into a well...I'm not an 'anti-gunner' are you stupid..or is it just that you can't read? I own 3 guns..and support the 2nd. Idiots..sheesh!
I will put it to you that most of us DO understand..and reject your premise...period. I reject your slanted characterizations and I reject your comparisons of the United States to other countries. Last I checked There were tens of millions of guns legally owned in California...quite a few in New York as well. Because some losers get their weapons taken..most because they break the law..does NOT validate your argument.

That there are abuses..notably the failure to return confiscated weapons to lawful owners does NOT validate your argument. No system is perfect..and you will always find some problem. So?

You are a fool. Baby step confiscation is baby steps to confiscation...moron.......if they have the power they will outlaw guns.....they are going to take legally owned guns from law abiding gun owners in New York if they miss a licensing deadline...guns that are already in possession of the law abiding gun owners......you are a moron, you don't understand the issue......

Check it out asswipe...you are the moron to even begin to believe that series of NRA invented events would ever take place. I understand just fine...you freakin' tool. In New York they broke the law..criminals don't get guns..once they broke the law..they were no longer 'law-abiding'.

You keep stating the gospel according to the NRA...you might as well save your breath. We could trade insults all day long..it still will not make you right.,

Wow...shitstain...didn't take long to draw you out......

this ruling...


https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Published/141945A.P.pdf

That is, we are convinced that the banned assault weapons and large-capacity magazines are among those arms that are “like” “M-16 rifles” — “weapons that are most useful in military service” — which the Heller Court singled out as being beyond the Second Amendment’s reach.

...ends your possession of bolt action hunting rifles....and pump action shotguns...and semi auto pistols......since all of those are current military weapons......moron.....

And when they get those, they will move on to revolvers....and lever action rifles...also military weapons...in fact, miltary weapons they will say were used in the genocide against the native Americans......and you will lose those too...

Do you really, really think that this has a chance? Of ever becoming law? Oh well...live your dream...I think the weather is getting better..might go out and shoot..I have some nice pieces of scrap steel--like how they ring..much like that noise you hear in your head, I expect.

It already is law in Massachusetts, and if the Supreme Court upholds it, it is the law of the land and states can start enacting gun bans based on that 4th circuit ruling....are you this stupid in real life, or do you just pretend to be this stupid when you post...?

That is why one must resist every little thing the politically correct anti-gun nutters try to pass off as “reasonable”...

 

[Rustic]

***yawn***
Not much real to say huh? Reading comprehension could use a little boost as well. I believe I said that confiscation of guns is a non-starter--but your knee-jerk no doubt got in the way of what passes for your intelligence. I'm tired of children paying the price for your penis substitute. Anything that limits criminals and crazies from gun ownership is fine with me. If that includes you..oh well.

BTW..as a retired Veteran with combat time--you're full of shit if you think that the military is all about zero controls on private gun ownership...I took a bit of a poll at the VA hospital a few months ago..a little more than half present favored background checks. The reason that there are no universal checks..despite the majority of Americans favoring them..has more to do with the NRA and the gun lobby in general..along with gerrymandering.

But I wouldn't expect you to appreciate nuance..or facts. Just keep regurgitating the NRA talking points...You'll do fine.

Yes, typical anti gunner....immediately go to the "gun is a penis" comparison......moron.

The reason the majority of people answer polling questions about background checks the way they do is they don't understand the issue and the question isn't honest.

The question is not..."Do you favor universal background checks if it requires universal gun registration?" And there is no question that points out..."Do you realize that universal gun registration has led to gun confiscation in Germany, Britain, Australia, Canada, California and New York, and now that you know this, do you favor universal background checks which will require universal gun registration?"

Ask you buddies, if they exist, those questions....then get back to us.

The pro universal background checks anti-gun nutters don’t even understand the difference between a sporting rifle and a military grade weapon.
Their ignorance is astounding, the federal government/deep state know through firearm confiscation/single payer/believe in man made climate change is the only way to control the American individual. The goal of socialism is to eliminate any sort of freedom and individuality.

Trying to understand fellas like him is a lost cause...

Keep saying it loud and proud..let those echoes just convince you of the truth of your position.

Yes...you are stupid......anarchism would be Right wing...moron,except for the ones who claim socialist anarchism....fascism is left wing moron, since it calls for more government, not less......nazims is socialism moron...
You truly do not understand anything you are posting about...

Noope..moron..you do not get to reinvent history or social science..the latest alt/right babble is stupid and unsupportable..although I love watching people try.

I got you sussed anyway--got a pic of Spencer on your Jack-off wall do you?

Pure socialism

 

[2aguy]

The US should let go of its love for guns....is becoming laughable.
Check any news outlet you will read, hear and see the following:
Son kills his entire family
Husband kills his entire family.
Work shooting.
Preschool shooting.
Freeway shooting.
Church shooting.
Game shooting.

Do gun lovers know that most of the world doesn't have this madness, they you even know what leaving without guns feels like?
I do i lived ina gun free country , it' ******* pathetic that you guys love guns and violence.

The rest of the world murders more people when they decide to murder people.....in the 10s of millions...so citing the rest of the world as any example is pretty stupid......

WILLIAMS: Fascism And Communism

The People's Republic of China tops the list, with 76 million lives lost at the hands of the government from 1949 to 1987. The Soviet Union follows, with 62 million lives lost from 1917 to 1987. Adolf Hitler's Nazi German government killed 21 million people between 1933 and 1945. Then there are lesser murdering regimes, such as Nationalist China, Japan, Turkey, Vietnam and Mexico. According to Rummel's research, the 20th century saw 262 millionpeople's lives lost at the hands of their own governments.

And as more Americans own and carry guns...our crime rate has gone down....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And as other countries banned and confiscated guns...their gun crime rate and violent crime rates have sky rocketed....


U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.
The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data. Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.


Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

You don't understand anything you posted....

 

[Rustic]

It looks like a piece of junk.

It certainly is not military grade, it would never pass muster...

 

[danielpalos]

Well that’s a pretty lame argument. I guess it all depends on the law. But of course there’s the fact that some laws could decrease violence which would be the point

Actually more frivolous laws only hurt law abiding people... Criminal control not gun control

Crime control is fine but doesn’t have anything to with the question if gun control reduces violence. I’d say our gun laws, for the most part, reduces access and takes guns and fire power out of more criminal hands than law abiding citizens. If that’s the case then it would likely be a factor in reducing violence. I don’t think you are making a strong argument at all

You mean except for actual research on the topic of gun control and reducing violence?

Gun control doesn’t reduce crime, violence, say studies

The National Academy of Sciences issued a 328-page report based on 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, a survey of 80 different gun-control laws and some of its own independent study.

In short, the panel could find no link between restrictions on gun ownership and lower rates of crime, firearms violence or even accidents with guns.

And how about Britain...they banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate has only gone up.....27% across the whole country last year, and up 42% in London alone, and their violent crime rate is higher than ours and going up....

How do you explain that since they banned guns.....? Kind of makes your point kinda silly....

No I think my point makes perfect sense. Criminals and crimes are always going to exist. Question is do we want to make it harder for them to access firepower or not? I’d rather a criminal have a pistol over a machine gun. I’d rather a criminal have a knife over a pistol. I’d rather a criminal have to seek out these weapons on the black market instead of be able to easily purchase at a store. #commonsense

Criminals don’t purchase firearms, they steal.

Only illegals, do that.

 

[Rustic]

The US should let go of its love for guns....is becoming laughable.
Check any news outlet you will read, hear and see the following:
Son kills his entire family
Husband kills his entire family.
Work shooting.
Preschool shooting.
Freeway shooting.
Church shooting.
Game shooting.

Do gun lovers know that most of the world doesn't have this madness, they you even know what leaving without guns feels like?
I do i lived ina gun free country , it' ******* pathetic that you guys love guns and violence.

Firearms have no control over people, most people learn that grade school

 

[Rustic]

The US should let go of its love for guns....is becoming laughable.
Check any news outlet you will read, hear and see the following:
Son kills his entire family
Husband kills his entire family.
Work shooting.
Preschool shooting.
Freeway shooting.
Church shooting.
Game shooting.

Do gun lovers know that most of the world doesn't have this madness, they you even know what leaving without guns feels like?
I do i lived ina gun free country , it' ******* pathetic that you guys love guns and violence.

You go ahead and live in your Utopia, leave the rest of us out of it.

 

[Rustic]

Actually more frivolous laws only hurt law abiding people... Criminal control not gun control

Crime control is fine but doesn’t have anything to with the question if gun control reduces violence. I’d say our gun laws, for the most part, reduces access and takes guns and fire power out of more criminal hands than law abiding citizens. If that’s the case then it would likely be a factor in reducing violence. I don’t think you are making a strong argument at all

You mean except for actual research on the topic of gun control and reducing violence?

Gun control doesn’t reduce crime, violence, say studies

The National Academy of Sciences issued a 328-page report based on 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, a survey of 80 different gun-control laws and some of its own independent study.

In short, the panel could find no link between restrictions on gun ownership and lower rates of crime, firearms violence or even accidents with guns.

And how about Britain...they banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate has only gone up.....27% across the whole country last year, and up 42% in London alone, and their violent crime rate is higher than ours and going up....

How do you explain that since they banned guns.....? Kind of makes your point kinda silly....

No I think my point makes perfect sense. Criminals and crimes are always going to exist. Question is do we want to make it harder for them to access firepower or not? I’d rather a criminal have a pistol over a machine gun. I’d rather a criminal have a knife over a pistol. I’d rather a criminal have to seek out these weapons on the black market instead of be able to easily purchase at a store. #commonsense

Criminals don’t purchase firearms, they steal.

Only illegals, do that.

Both do

 

[Rustic]

Nothing you guys propose achieves this. If you want to do what you say you want to do...stop punishing normal gun owners....and pass sentencing laws for gun criminals, actual gun criminals, who use guns for rape, robbery and murder....30-life for any crime where a gun is used....30-life if you are a prohibited criminal and are caught with a gun....this is how Japan stopped their Yakuza from shooting each other.....we need to do this...

Anything else is simply baby step gun confiscation....

So, we house this ever increasing prison population at public expense--and you think it will solve something? It hasn't yet.

Universal background checks and the elimination of untraceable private sales only makes sense. I'm a gun owner and a staunch believer in the 2nd. I believe that the ole' their coming to take our guns' is nothing but manipulation. Anyone with any sense can see that that is not going to happen. Thus, it is just a tired political rallying cry and a right-wing litmus test...nothing more.

Let's cut to the chase, shall we? Folks who want no controls at all of gun ownership say that they are the last check and balance on the Govt.. That their being armed is a guarantee against govt. excess and over-reach.
How absurd is that? If the govt. came after someone..they are nothing but f'ked--no matter how many guns they have...the govt. has more, bigger and used by people with better training.

If one is not a criminal or a crazy...undergoing a background check upon purchasing their weapon should pose no issue.

You don't understand the issue...we are not locking people up. Because of democrat policies on crime, we are repeatedly releasing violent gun offenders back onto the streets, often with less than 3 years served for repeat gun offenses...that is the problem.

Please explain how universal background checks will stop criminals and mass shooters from getting and using guns, since the current federal background checks can't stop them right now.

Do you understand that criminals use straw buyers....people who can pass federally mandated background checks to buy their guns...so any universal background check for a private sale will also be passed by these same straw buyers...do you understand that?

Do you believe that the attempt by Hawaii to take guns away from medicianal medical pot users was a manipulation...or the 9th circuit and 4th circuit courts of appeal rulings were manipulations? Or how about the New York safe act that is a defacto gun confiscation program if you fail to recerify your gun license....how about that?

You don't know what you are talking about, you don't understand the issues beyond a superficial emotional understanding pushed by anti gunners....

I do understand that no system is perfect..and nothing will stop straw buys. That is no reason not to do what we can. Need to re-certify..so re-certify. Obey the law..and keep your gun. As for violent criminal getting out after minimal time..I can only speak for my State..in Idaho..if you go to prison as a violent offender..and if you are a violent offender, you will go to prison--you're going to be there for a while..if you have a gun enhancement..you will be there for long while.

The only reason anti gun leadership wants universal background checks is so they can push for universal gun registration, and people like you, who do not understand the issue, don't understand this sequence.

Do not confuse disagreement with a lack of understanding. I get it..I just don't agree with the premise. I do get that, over time..as new weapons are purchased and old ones are sold..that a de facto database of gun owners will be compiled...the longer the law remained in effect..the more complete the database.

I have no issues with this..in fact..gun registration does not bother me. Fundamentally, the concept that the govt. will come one day and take everyone guns...is a non-starter. I do not believe that it will happen...or at least, I think the odds so small--that the risk to our populace is greater by not doing anything..over time.

I believe that an armed populace is essential for being the last line of defense in our country against foreign aggression and invasion. I do not believe that gun ownership is any deterrent to govt. malfeasance.

OK, me and millions just like me have absolutely no trust of the federal government/deep state. Firearm registration is absolutely unconstitutional… That’s enough for me

 

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Yes, typical anti gunner....immediately go to the "gun is a penis" comparison......moron.

The reason the majority of people answer polling questions about background checks the way they do is they don't understand the issue and the question isn't honest.

The question is not..."Do you favor universal background checks if it requires universal gun registration?" And there is no question that points out..."Do you realize that universal gun registration has led to gun confiscation in Germany, Britain, Australia, Canada, California and New York, and now that you know this, do you favor universal background checks which will require universal gun registration?"

Ask you buddies, if they exist, those questions....then get back to us.

The pro universal background checks anti-gun nutters don’t even understand the difference between a sporting rifle and a military grade weapon.
Their ignorance is astounding, the federal government/deep state know through firearm confiscation/single payer/believe in man made climate change is the only way to control the American individual. The goal of socialism is to eliminate any sort of freedom and individuality.

Trying to understand fellas like him is a lost cause...

Keep saying it loud and proud..let those echoes just convince you of the truth of your position.

Yes...you are stupid......anarchism would be Right wing...moron,except for the ones who claim socialist anarchism....fascism is left wing moron, since it calls for more government, not less......nazims is socialism moron...
You truly do not understand anything you are posting about...

Noope..moron..you do not get to reinvent history or social science..the latest alt/right babble is stupid and unsupportable..although I love watching people try.

I got you sussed anyway--got a pic of Spencer on your Jack-off wall do you?

Pure socialism

Do you really believe that because the Nazi's had 'socialism' in their name they were Socialist? I don't have the time or inclination to give a history lesson today..but..Hitler had to give a nod to the workers of Germany..to bring them on board. But he was a Right-wing fascist through and through. Absolute dictator. The two ends of the spectrum resemble each other in the loss of personal freedoms and rights--the main difference being one believes in the worker controlling the means of production..and the other believes in the State doing the controlling. In practice..The USSR was a totalitarian Marxist/Communist regime--but it really wasn't all that Socialist. Nazi Germany..had one ruler--and a cabal of industrialists controlling the production.

The continued attempt to use revisionist history to change how political doctrines are viewed is noted..and laughed at.