Repeal it already!

[flacaltenn]

What obviously needs to happen is to surgically SEPARATE Medicaid from Insurance legislation. Put it back to the welfare that it was. and NOT hide it's costs in the "pool" like Jonathan Gruber TRICKED You into doing.

You can spot bullshit conspiracy theories a mile away in the way they concentrate around personas rather than policy.

Can you clarify exactly how ACA changed Medicaid to "hide it's costs in the pool"??? All it did was expand qualification to 125% poverty level and change program re-imbursement to pay for OUTCOMES rather then procedures (great idea btw!).

If you are talking about providers making up low re-imbersement from Medicare with higher bills to other patients then you are not talking about ACA chang, it was happening for a while now.

You admitting that you don't have a clue how "medicaid expansion" works? Folks were invited onto MediCaid that are several times above poverty. They were given shitty insurance subsidized by the POOL and loads of pork to the insurance companies.. Policies with deductibles that would BANKRUPT them if they ever needed extensive care.

THIS was the primary cause of PREMIUM inflation that doomed O-Care. Because when you subsidize something in a limited market -- it inflates. EVEN WORSE -- it was BY DESIGN to hide the costs of the "expansion". So that they could show MORE folks getting covered -- essentially for FREE in terms of budget.

I tell you -- those Dems and Gruber were GENIUSES and Miracle Workers.

 

[CubanTexan]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

They tried to Repeal, it failed. Shockingly enough not many people want to see millions less people not have health insurance which in turn would raise costs for the insured. Weird huh?

How about they work on lowering costs and getting more people coverage. Novel idea huh?

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do. It would lower costs because the competition would increase, and more people could by health insurance if they wanted to because they would be able to afford it, unlike what Obamacare does.

You couldn't be more wrong. Removing the mandate and subsidies would decrease competition. How do you not see that?

Removing the mandate (AKA the tax) would stop people from paying a fee not to have health insurance. That's good, not bad.

Removing subsidies stops one business from being favored over another. Let the playing field be fair. One business versus another, not one business constantly funded by the government versus another business having to make its own money.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

They tried to Repeal, it failed. Shockingly enough not many people want to see millions less people not have health insurance which in turn would raise costs for the insured. Weird huh?

How about they work on lowering costs and getting more people coverage. Novel idea huh?

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do. It would lower costs because the competition would increase, and more people could by health insurance if they wanted to because they would be able to afford it, unlike what Obamacare does.

You couldn't be more wrong. Removing the mandate and subsidies would decrease competition. How do you not see that?

The 'competition' is already disappearing......some states only have one provider and even those may disappear...

 

[flacaltenn]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

This is a MAJOR fail for the Repubs. Skinny is NOWHERE NEAR repeal. It's an attempt to save it.

And they had SEVEN F'ing YEARS to formulate a plan. TOLD US -- they had one. And they did Jack Crap..

They are toast. Both Brand Name parties are taking us down the crapper. There's gonna be NEW Leadership and it ain't gonna come from EITHER party. Because EVERYONE in Congress is useless -- except for the 4 party bosses. 500 of them ---- might as well NOT be there. Can't speak out or they pummeled. Especially in the Dem camp.

Need Indies and 3rd Parties.. And stop voting "winners".. America needs to vote for competence and leadership to survive right now --- not more "winning".. The WINNING is killing my country....

Right now we need a 3rd political party in Congress with enough seats to force the major parties to deal with them. Never mind the WH, that's for much later down the road, IMHO the major obstacle these days is the Legislative Branch of gov't. Only way I see to fix that is enough people in enough places voting in some Independent people so that the other 2 parties do not have a majority. Will that happen? Probably not, but I'm not seeing any other solution on the horizon.

A third party would only serve to further dilute the vote. Everything would have to be a compromise. I don't see how that helps anything.

Vote is already diluted. You're focused on winning. Not on Leadership and quality. Both parties are BLEEDING faithful. The Big Middle is now bigger than BOTH parties put together.

Whoever gets the most votes wins. Whether they win at 48% or 36%.. Dilution is a phony crutch...

 

[Slade3200]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

They tried to Repeal, it failed. Shockingly enough not many people want to see millions less people not have health insurance which in turn would raise costs for the insured. Weird huh?

How about they work on lowering costs and getting more people coverage. Novel idea huh?

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do. It would lower costs because the competition would increase, and more people could by health insurance if they wanted to because they would be able to afford it, unlike what Obamacare does.

Take millions of paying people out of the market and what happens to costs? You didn't factor that into the equation did you?

You do have a point, if they deregulate than insurers can create crap plans and sell them for dirt cheap and their competitors will follow suit. That's what was happening before ocare. I'm actually fine with allowing catastrophic plans and increaseing competition but let's be honest about the cause and effects that effect costs. Shall we?

 

[flacaltenn]

It's survival time. From outside the circus -- I see whole "Big Top" collapsing. Opportunities to head off COMPLETE collapse are narrowing. You party animals need to assess your future.....

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

They tried to Repeal, it failed. Shockingly enough not many people want to see millions less people not have health insurance which in turn would raise costs for the insured. Weird huh?

How about they work on lowering costs and getting more people coverage. Novel idea huh?

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do. It would lower costs because the competition would increase, and more people could by health insurance if they wanted to because they would be able to afford it, unlike what Obamacare does.

You couldn't be more wrong. Removing the mandate and subsidies would decrease competition. How do you not see that?

Removing the mandate (AKA the tax) would stop people from paying a fee not to have health insurance. That's good, not bad.

Removing subsidies stops one business from being favored over another. Let the playing field be fair. One business versus another, not one business constantly funded by the government versus another business having to make its own money.

Removing the mandate frees everyone to not buy insurance. It would decrease demand and competition. The markets will shrink and the cost will rise.

 

[CubanTexan]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

They tried to Repeal, it failed. Shockingly enough not many people want to see millions less people not have health insurance which in turn would raise costs for the insured. Weird huh?

How about they work on lowering costs and getting more people coverage. Novel idea huh?

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do. It would lower costs because the competition would increase, and more people could by health insurance if they wanted to because they would be able to afford it, unlike what Obamacare does.

Take millions of paying people out of the market and what happens to costs? You didn't factor that into the equation did you?

You do have a point, if they deregulate than insurers can create crap plans and sell them for dirt cheap and their competitors will follow suit. That's what was happening before ocare. I'm actually fine with allowing catastrophic plans and increaseing competition but let's be honest about the cause and effects that effect costs. Shall we?

Those millions of paying people partially pay the company, and partially pay the government. If you don't want health insurance or you want your non-government plan, you have to pay a tax. That's horrible.

Taking away Obamacare allows those people who were forced to buy Obamacare to be able to choose the health insurance they want.

Deregulation doesn't necessarily mean insurance companies make crap plans. If a company does that, the consumers can punish them by not purchasing until they change the plans so they can make some money.

 

[Slade3200]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

They tried to Repeal, it failed. Shockingly enough not many people want to see millions less people not have health insurance which in turn would raise costs for the insured. Weird huh?

How about they work on lowering costs and getting more people coverage. Novel idea huh?

The cost as it stands is going up anyway....even with a skinny repeal it's a start in the right direction...

The costs are going up, like they always have been even before Ocare. The ACA did a good job at getting people In the market and increasing the quality of coverage. Now they have to work on bringing down costs and increasing the products in the marketplace along with their network of service providers.

There's a lot of work to be done. But straight up Repeal is a huge step backwards.

 

[AntonToo]

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do..

You are insane, just ask CBO:

• The number of people who are uninsured would increase by 18 million in the first new plan year following enactment of the bill. Later, after the elimination of the ACA’s expansion of Medicaid eligibility and of subsidies for insurance purchased through the ACA marketplaces, that number would increase to 27 million, and then to 32 million in 2026.
• Premiums in the nongroup market (for individual policies purchased through the marketplaces or directly from insurers) would increase by 20 percent to 25 percent—relative to projections under current law—in the first new plan year following enactment. The increase would reach about 50 percent in the year following the elimination of the Medicaid expansion and the marketplace subsidies, and premiums would about double by 2026.

How Repealing Portions of the Affordable Care Act Would Affect Health Insurance Coverage and Premiums

 

[CubanTexan]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

They tried to Repeal, it failed. Shockingly enough not many people want to see millions less people not have health insurance which in turn would raise costs for the insured. Weird huh?

How about they work on lowering costs and getting more people coverage. Novel idea huh?

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do. It would lower costs because the competition would increase, and more people could by health insurance if they wanted to because they would be able to afford it, unlike what Obamacare does.

You couldn't be more wrong. Removing the mandate and subsidies would decrease competition. How do you not see that?

Removing the mandate (AKA the tax) would stop people from paying a fee not to have health insurance. That's good, not bad.

Removing subsidies stops one business from being favored over another. Let the playing field be fair. One business versus another, not one business constantly funded by the government versus another business having to make its own money.

Removing the mandate frees everyone to not buy insurance. It would decrease demand and competition. The markets will shrink and the cost will rise.

That's exactly what removing the mandate does, and that's great. You shouldn't be required to buy health insurance. No one has a right to force that on you. Decreasing demand? People who want it, should be able to have the choice to buy it. People who don't want it shouldn't have to buy it. End of story.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

They tried to Repeal, it failed. Shockingly enough not many people want to see millions less people not have health insurance which in turn would raise costs for the insured. Weird huh?

How about they work on lowering costs and getting more people coverage. Novel idea huh?

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do. It would lower costs because the competition would increase, and more people could by health insurance if they wanted to because they would be able to afford it, unlike what Obamacare does.

Take millions of paying people out of the market and what happens to costs? You didn't factor that into the equation did you?

You do have a point, if they deregulate than insurers can create crap plans and sell them for dirt cheap and their competitors will follow suit. That's what was happening before ocare. I'm actually fine with allowing catastrophic plans and increaseing competition but let's be honest about the cause and effects that effect costs. Shall we?

the real problem is how the insurance industry controls it all.....we need to open borders and innovate more direct care solutions...

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

This is a MAJOR fail for the Repubs. Skinny is NOWHERE NEAR repeal. It's an attempt to save it.

And they had SEVEN F'ing YEARS to formulate a plan. TOLD US -- they had one. And they did Jack Crap..

They are toast. Both Brand Name parties are taking us down the crapper. There's gonna be NEW Leadership and it ain't gonna come from EITHER party. Because EVERYONE in Congress is useless -- except for the 4 party bosses. 500 of them ---- might as well NOT be there. Can't speak out or they pummeled. Especially in the Dem camp.

Need Indies and 3rd Parties.. And stop voting "winners".. America needs to vote for competence and leadership to survive right now --- not more "winning".. The WINNING is killing my country....

Right now we need a 3rd political party in Congress with enough seats to force the major parties to deal with them. Never mind the WH, that's for much later down the road, IMHO the major obstacle these days is the Legislative Branch of gov't. Only way I see to fix that is enough people in enough places voting in some Independent people so that the other 2 parties do not have a majority. Will that happen? Probably not, but I'm not seeing any other solution on the horizon.

A third party would only serve to further dilute the vote. Everything would have to be a compromise. I don't see how that helps anything.

Vote is already diluted. You're focused on winning. Not on Leadership and quality. Both parties are BLEEDING faithful. The Big Middle is now bigger than BOTH parties put together.

Whoever gets the most votes wins. Whether they win at 48% or 36%.. Dilution is a phony crutch...

It's the Republicans that have no leadership and cannot pass anything with their own members.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They tried to Repeal, it failed. Shockingly enough not many people want to see millions less people not have health insurance which in turn would raise costs for the insured. Weird huh?

How about they work on lowering costs and getting more people coverage. Novel idea huh?

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do. It would lower costs because the competition would increase, and more people could by health insurance if they wanted to because they would be able to afford it, unlike what Obamacare does.

You couldn't be more wrong. Removing the mandate and subsidies would decrease competition. How do you not see that?

Removing the mandate (AKA the tax) would stop people from paying a fee not to have health insurance. That's good, not bad.

Removing subsidies stops one business from being favored over another. Let the playing field be fair. One business versus another, not one business constantly funded by the government versus another business having to make its own money.

Removing the mandate frees everyone to not buy insurance. It would decrease demand and competition. The markets will shrink and the cost will rise.

That's exactly what removing the mandate does, and that's great. You shouldn't be required to buy health insurance. No one has a right to force that on you. Decreasing demand? People who want it, should be able to have the choice to buy it. People who don't want it shouldn't have to buy it. End of story.

That's not what you said in your original post, dope.

 

[CubanTexan]

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do..

You are insane, just ask CBO:

• The number of people who are uninsured would increase by 18 million in the first new plan year following enactment of the bill. Later, after the elimination of the ACA’s expansion of Medicaid eligibility and of subsidies for insurance purchased through the ACA marketplaces, that number would increase to 27 million, and then to 32 million in 2026.
• Premiums in the nongroup market (for individual policies purchased through the marketplaces or directly from insurers) would increase by 20 percent to 25 percent—relative to projections under current law—in the first new plan year following enactment. The increase would reach about 50 percent in the year following the elimination of the Medicaid expansion and the marketplace subsidies, and premiums would about double by 2026.

How Repealing Portions of the Affordable Care Act Would Affect Health Insurance Coverage and Premiums

No duh people who are uninsured would increase. That's because people wouldn't be forced to buy health insurance they can't afford.

Premiums will only increase as long as there's no competition. Why do you think premiums have increased under Obamacare?

 

[flacaltenn]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

They tried to Repeal, it failed. Shockingly enough not many people want to see millions less people not have health insurance which in turn would raise costs for the insured. Weird huh?

How about they work on lowering costs and getting more people coverage. Novel idea huh?

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do. It would lower costs because the competition would increase, and more people could by health insurance if they wanted to because they would be able to afford it, unlike what Obamacare does.

Take millions of paying people out of the market and what happens to costs? You didn't factor that into the equation did you?

You do have a point, if they deregulate than insurers can create crap plans and sell them for dirt cheap and their competitors will follow suit. That's what was happening before ocare. I'm actually fine with allowing catastrophic plans and increaseing competition but let's be honest about the cause and effects that effect costs. Shall we?

It's up to me and my family to make that decision. If we don't WANT all the mandated O-Care features -- that's on us. Don't need you to tell me I need mental health or abortion services.

Best survival tool right now IS "catastrophic coverage". Because all the normal lower tier medical service prices could come WAAAAAYY the hell down if consumers and doctors actually KNEW the costs. They don't. That's one reason you see inflated rack rates on pharma and med services. Because the doctors and pharma negotiate "DISCOUNTS" with the insurers. And when the greedy insurers beat them up --- they raise their "rack rates".. NOBODY pays that rate. It's phony.

You could pay direct for most out-patient care and be way ahead if there was a freer price concious market. WITHOUT the insurers in the middle.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

They tried to Repeal, it failed. Shockingly enough not many people want to see millions less people not have health insurance which in turn would raise costs for the insured. Weird huh?

How about they work on lowering costs and getting more people coverage. Novel idea huh?

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do. It would lower costs because the competition would increase, and more people could by health insurance if they wanted to because they would be able to afford it, unlike what Obamacare does.

You couldn't be more wrong. Removing the mandate and subsidies would decrease competition. How do you not see that?

The 'competition' is already disappearing......some states only have one provider and even those may disappear...

Yes, and for what reason(s) is that happening?

 

[CubanTexan]

Lowering costs and getting more people coverage would be exactly what repeal would do. It would lower costs because the competition would increase, and more people could by health insurance if they wanted to because they would be able to afford it, unlike what Obamacare does.

You couldn't be more wrong. Removing the mandate and subsidies would decrease competition. How do you not see that?

Removing the mandate (AKA the tax) would stop people from paying a fee not to have health insurance. That's good, not bad.

Removing subsidies stops one business from being favored over another. Let the playing field be fair. One business versus another, not one business constantly funded by the government versus another business having to make its own money.

Removing the mandate frees everyone to not buy insurance. It would decrease demand and competition. The markets will shrink and the cost will rise.

That's exactly what removing the mandate does, and that's great. You shouldn't be required to buy health insurance. No one has a right to force that on you. Decreasing demand? People who want it, should be able to have the choice to buy it. People who don't want it shouldn't have to buy it. End of story.

That's not what you said in your original post, dope.

That is. The mandate frees people from having to buy insurance. It stops people from paying a fee, as I previously said. Also, calling me a dope gets you nowhere. Let's keep this debate clean, please?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



Read more: Articles: Medicaid: The Snag in Obamacare Repeal

This is a MAJOR fail for the Repubs. Skinny is NOWHERE NEAR repeal. It's an attempt to save it.

And they had SEVEN F'ing YEARS to formulate a plan. TOLD US -- they had one. And they did Jack Crap..

They are toast. Both Brand Name parties are taking us down the crapper. There's gonna be NEW Leadership and it ain't gonna come from EITHER party. Because EVERYONE in Congress is useless -- except for the 4 party bosses. 500 of them ---- might as well NOT be there. Can't speak out or they pummeled. Especially in the Dem camp.

Need Indies and 3rd Parties.. And stop voting "winners".. America needs to vote for competence and leadership to survive right now --- not more "winning".. The WINNING is killing my country....

Right now we need a 3rd political party in Congress with enough seats to force the major parties to deal with them. Never mind the WH, that's for much later down the road, IMHO the major obstacle these days is the Legislative Branch of gov't. Only way I see to fix that is enough people in enough places voting in some Independent people so that the other 2 parties do not have a majority. Will that happen? Probably not, but I'm not seeing any other solution on the horizon.

A third party would only serve to further dilute the vote. Everything would have to be a compromise. I don't see how that helps anything.

Vote is already diluted. You're focused on winning. Not on Leadership and quality. Both parties are BLEEDING faithful. The Big Middle is now bigger than BOTH parties put together.

Whoever gets the most votes wins. Whether they win at 48% or 36%.. Dilution is a phony crutch...

It's the Republicans that have no leadership and cannot pass anything with their own members.

Dims always vote like they are members of the Borg....how do they do that?

 

[flacaltenn]

Skinny or not......get the damn Obamacare off the books.....! Treat Medicaid separately or.....

“Replace” has become too much. Republicans should shoot for a simple repeal, and deal with the thorny issues of Medicaid reform in a later bill. But if the price of the holdouts is to retain the Medicaid expansion, then retain the expansion. And if the holdouts are concerned about the uninsurable enrollees in the subsidy program, then throw the truly desperate with pre-existing conditions into Medicaid. But that’s it; the rest of Obamacare must go, because it’s rotten to the core.

If Republicans can’t get something done on Obamacare this year, their leadership in Congress should be replaced, and repeal holdouts should be “primaried” with challengers who will clean their clocks in the primaries of 2018.



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This is a MAJOR fail for the Repubs. Skinny is NOWHERE NEAR repeal. It's an attempt to save it.

And they had SEVEN F'ing YEARS to formulate a plan. TOLD US -- they had one. And they did Jack Crap..

They are toast. Both Brand Name parties are taking us down the crapper. There's gonna be NEW Leadership and it ain't gonna come from EITHER party. Because EVERYONE in Congress is useless -- except for the 4 party bosses. 500 of them ---- might as well NOT be there. Can't speak out or they pummeled. Especially in the Dem camp.

Need Indies and 3rd Parties.. And stop voting "winners".. America needs to vote for competence and leadership to survive right now --- not more "winning".. The WINNING is killing my country....

Right now we need a 3rd political party in Congress with enough seats to force the major parties to deal with them. Never mind the WH, that's for much later down the road, IMHO the major obstacle these days is the Legislative Branch of gov't. Only way I see to fix that is enough people in enough places voting in some Independent people so that the other 2 parties do not have a majority. Will that happen? Probably not, but I'm not seeing any other solution on the horizon.

A third party would only serve to further dilute the vote. Everything would have to be a compromise. I don't see how that helps anything.

Vote is already diluted. You're focused on winning. Not on Leadership and quality. Both parties are BLEEDING faithful. The Big Middle is now bigger than BOTH parties put together.

Whoever gets the most votes wins. Whether they win at 48% or 36%.. Dilution is a phony crutch...

It's the Republicans that have no leadership and cannot pass anything with their own members.

And the Dems are obstructing and sitting on their asses. That's the polarization effect. So less than 1/2 of voters ever WIN in an election. And then they get less than 1/2 a Leadership corp...

What a fucking good "WINNING" plan that is -- huh????