Rep. L. Gohmert (R-Texas) VP Pence has ***Exclusive Authority*** to refuse EC Electors from Battleground States

Rep. L.Gohmert is correct, as VP, Pence has total authority to refuse electors from battleground states...

And that's exactly what he will do come January 6th.

Thank you and well done Mr.VP! :2up:
That is why Vice Presidents always get to pick who the next President is

Who needs voters??


Don't be ridiculous, please.

If some states, like Pennsylvania for example, failed to follow their own election laws, it's the duty and obligation of the VP to refuse electors from that state.

That's what the Constitution says....if some don't like it, it's too bad. :dunno:
Tell me where in the Constitution that it says the VP can refuse electors.
 
GOP Lawmaker Sues Pence to Give Him ‘Exclusive Authority’ to Stop the Steal

Several Constitutional Law Professors concur:

Preparing for a dispute election, 51 Loyola University Chicago Law Journal 309, 325 (2019 )


"the “President of the Senate” has the exclusive constitutional authority to determine which “certificates” to
“open” and thus which electoral votes “to be counted.” This interpretation can derive support from the observation that the President of the Senate is the only officer, or instrumentality, of government given an active role
in the process of opening the certificates and counting the electoral votes from the states. The Senate and House of Representatives, on this view, have an observational role only.
"


______________--------------------_______________________

The treasonous/seditious Demo Rats must be taught a lesson they will never - ever - forget !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I seriously hope this comes to fruition.
Im not aware of the history when it comes to past elections in reference to competing slates being issued.
My point is, the fear of this event setting a precedent without an amendment to the constitution, for future elections.
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.
 
Rep. L.Gohmert is correct, as VP, Pence has total authority to refuse electors from battleground states...

And that's exactly what he will do come January 6th.

Thank you and well done Mr.VP! :2up:
That is why Vice Presidents always get to pick who the next President is

Who needs voters??


Don't be ridiculous, please.

If some states, like Pennsylvania for example, failed to follow their own election laws, it's the duty and obligation of the VP to refuse electors from that state.

That's what the Constitution says....if some don't like it, it's too bad. :dunno:
Tell me where in the Constitution that it says the VP can refuse electors.


I don't have to tell you anything, if you don't know that already, that's your problem.
 
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.

Then what terminology do you prefer ?


“Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors’ votes, or whether none, shall be counted,” the lawsuit argues.
The lawsuit also asks for a declaration that “with respect to competing slates of electors from the State of Arizona or other Contested States, or with respect to objection to any single slate of electors, the Twelfth Amendment contains the exclusive dispute resolution mechanisms, that (i) Vice President Pence determines which slate of electors’ votes shall be counted, or if none be counted, for that State and (ii) if no person has a majority, then the House of Representatives (and only the House of Representatives) shall choose the President where ‘the votes [in the House of Representatives] shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.'”
 
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.

Then what terminology do you prefer ?


“Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors’ votes, or whether none, shall be counted,” the lawsuit argues.
The lawsuit also asks for a declaration that “with respect to competing slates of electors from the State of Arizona or other Contested States, or with respect to objection to any single slate of electors, the Twelfth Amendment contains the exclusive dispute resolution mechanisms, that (i) Vice President Pence determines which slate of electors’ votes shall be counted, or if none be counted, for that State and (ii) if no person has a majority, then the House of Representatives (and only the House of Representatives) shall choose the President where ‘the votes [in the House of Representatives] shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.'”
Gohmert is lying. There aren't competing slates.
 
Rep. L.Gohmert is correct, as VP, Pence has total authority to refuse electors from battleground states...

And that's exactly what he will do come January 6th.

Thank you and well done Mr.VP! :2up:
That is why Vice Presidents always get to pick who the next President is

Who needs voters??


Don't be ridiculous, please.

If some states, like Pennsylvania for example, failed to follow their own election laws, it's the duty and obligation of the VP to refuse electors from that state.

That's what the Constitution says....if some don't like it, it's too bad. :dunno:
Tell me where in the Constitution that it says the VP can refuse electors.


I don't have to tell you anything, if you don't know that already, that's your problem.
You can't tell me anything because you're full of shit or a shitty troll.
 
GOP Lawmaker Sues Pence to Give Him ‘Exclusive Authority’ to Stop the Steal

Several Constitutional Law Professors concur:

Preparing for a dispute election, 51 Loyola University Chicago Law Journal 309, 325 (2019 )


"the “President of the Senate” has the exclusive constitutional authority to determine which “certificates” to
“open” and thus which electoral votes “to be counted.” This interpretation can derive support from the observation that the President of the Senate is the only officer, or instrumentality, of government given an active role
in the process of opening the certificates and counting the electoral votes from the states. The Senate and House of Representatives, on this view, have an observational role only.
"


______________--------------------_______________________

The treasonous/seditious Demo Rats must be taught a lesson they will never - ever - forget !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I seriously hope this comes to fruition.
Im not aware of the history when it comes to past elections in reference to competing slates being issued.
My point is, the fear of this event setting a precedent without an amendment to the constitution, for future elections.
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.


Electors in 7 States Cast Dueling Votes for Trump

Republican electors in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico cast alternative slates of votes for President Donald Trump on Dec. 14, .



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There weren't competing slates issued this year though.

Then what terminology do you prefer ?


“Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors’ votes, or whether none, shall be counted,” the lawsuit argues.
The lawsuit also asks for a declaration that “with respect to competing slates of electors from the State of Arizona or other Contested States, or with respect to objection to any single slate of electors, the Twelfth Amendment contains the exclusive dispute resolution mechanisms, that (i) Vice President Pence determines which slate of electors’ votes shall be counted, or if none be counted, for that State and (ii) if no person has a majority, then the House of Representatives (and only the House of Representatives) shall choose the President where ‘the votes [in the House of Representatives] shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.'”
Gohmert is lying. There aren't competing slates.

You deflected my question as to what you prefer to call them, because there were indeed two separate slates presented from each of the disputed swing states. Do you prefer "alternate slates" ?
Are you denying that there were two separate slates from each of the disputed swing states ?


While there are indeed serious concerns about the presidential election and some alternate slates of electors have declared themselves such.
 
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There weren't competing slates issued this year though.

Then what terminology do you prefer ?


“Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors’ votes, or whether none, shall be counted,” the lawsuit argues.
The lawsuit also asks for a declaration that “with respect to competing slates of electors from the State of Arizona or other Contested States, or with respect to objection to any single slate of electors, the Twelfth Amendment contains the exclusive dispute resolution mechanisms, that (i) Vice President Pence determines which slate of electors’ votes shall be counted, or if none be counted, for that State and (ii) if no person has a majority, then the House of Representatives (and only the House of Representatives) shall choose the President where ‘the votes [in the House of Representatives] shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.'”
Gohmert is lying. There aren't competing slates.

You deflected my question as to what you prefer to call them, because there were indeed two separate slates presented from each of the disputed swing states. Do you prefer "alternate slates" ?
Are you denying that there were two separate slates from each of the disputed swing states ?


While there are indeed serious concerns about the presidential election and some alternate slates of electors have declared themselves such, those alternate electors have considerably less credibility. If Pence were to choose them, or to choose not to open the electoral votes from certain disputed states, that decision would cause a constitutional crisis.
What they are called is meaningless because nobody sent or certified them. The Trump electors in those states got together and voted but those electors weren't sent to anyone. Apparently those people have nothing better to do with their time. The Electoral College voted already, Biden won.
 
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.

Then what terminology do you prefer ?


“Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors’ votes, or whether none, shall be counted,” the lawsuit argues.
The lawsuit also asks for a declaration that “with respect to competing slates of electors from the State of Arizona or other Contested States, or with respect to objection to any single slate of electors, the Twelfth Amendment contains the exclusive dispute resolution mechanisms, that (i) Vice President Pence determines which slate of electors’ votes shall be counted, or if none be counted, for that State and (ii) if no person has a majority, then the House of Representatives (and only the House of Representatives) shall choose the President where ‘the votes [in the House of Representatives] shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.'”
Gohmert is lying. There aren't competing slates.

You deflected my question as to what you prefer to call them, because there were indeed two separate slates presented from each of the disputed swing states. Do you prefer "alternate slates" ?
Are you denying that there were two separate slates from each of the disputed swing states ?


While there are indeed serious concerns about the presidential election and some alternate slates of electors have declared themselves such, those alternate electors have considerably less credibility. If Pence were to choose them, or to choose not to open the electoral votes from certain disputed states, that decision would cause a constitutional crisis.
What they are called is meaningless because nobody sent or certified them. The Trump electors in those states got together and voted but those electors weren't sent to anyone. Apparently those people have nothing better to do with their time. The Electoral College voted already, Biden won.


Really, because the strategy worked for JFK in 1960.

Which list is preferred is up to VP Pence.


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There weren't competing slates issued this year though.

Then what terminology do you prefer ?


“Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors’ votes, or whether none, shall be counted,” the lawsuit argues.
The lawsuit also asks for a declaration that “with respect to competing slates of electors from the State of Arizona or other Contested States, or with respect to objection to any single slate of electors, the Twelfth Amendment contains the exclusive dispute resolution mechanisms, that (i) Vice President Pence determines which slate of electors’ votes shall be counted, or if none be counted, for that State and (ii) if no person has a majority, then the House of Representatives (and only the House of Representatives) shall choose the President where ‘the votes [in the House of Representatives] shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.'”
Gohmert is lying. There aren't competing slates.

You deflected my question as to what you prefer to call them, because there were indeed two separate slates presented from each of the disputed swing states. Do you prefer "alternate slates" ?
Are you denying that there were two separate slates from each of the disputed swing states ?


While there are indeed serious concerns about the presidential election and some alternate slates of electors have declared themselves such, those alternate electors have considerably less credibility. If Pence were to choose them, or to choose not to open the electoral votes from certain disputed states, that decision would cause a constitutional crisis.
What they are called is meaningless because nobody sent or certified them. The Trump electors in those states got together and voted but those electors weren't sent to anyone. Apparently those people have nothing better to do with their time. The Electoral College voted already, Biden won.


Really, because the strategy worked for JFK in 1960.

Which list is preferred is up to VP Pence.


.
There were two slates slates certified in 1960 in Hawaii. There are two slates certified in 2020 in no states.
 
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.

Then what terminology do you prefer ?


“Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors’ votes, or whether none, shall be counted,” the lawsuit argues.
The lawsuit also asks for a declaration that “with respect to competing slates of electors from the State of Arizona or other Contested States, or with respect to objection to any single slate of electors, the Twelfth Amendment contains the exclusive dispute resolution mechanisms, that (i) Vice President Pence determines which slate of electors’ votes shall be counted, or if none be counted, for that State and (ii) if no person has a majority, then the House of Representatives (and only the House of Representatives) shall choose the President where ‘the votes [in the House of Representatives] shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.'”
Gohmert is lying. There aren't competing slates.

You deflected my question as to what you prefer to call them, because there were indeed two separate slates presented from each of the disputed swing states. Do you prefer "alternate slates" ?
Are you denying that there were two separate slates from each of the disputed swing states ?


While there are indeed serious concerns about the presidential election and some alternate slates of electors have declared themselves such, those alternate electors have considerably less credibility. If Pence were to choose them, or to choose not to open the electoral votes from certain disputed states, that decision would cause a constitutional crisis.
What they are called is meaningless because nobody sent or certified them. The Trump electors in those states got together and voted but those electors weren't sent to anyone. Apparently those people have nothing better to do with their time. The Electoral College voted already, Biden won.
Fact is: You said,
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.
You were wrong.
Regardless of the term, there is two separate slates.
 
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.

Then what terminology do you prefer ?


“Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors’ votes, or whether none, shall be counted,” the lawsuit argues.
The lawsuit also asks for a declaration that “with respect to competing slates of electors from the State of Arizona or other Contested States, or with respect to objection to any single slate of electors, the Twelfth Amendment contains the exclusive dispute resolution mechanisms, that (i) Vice President Pence determines which slate of electors’ votes shall be counted, or if none be counted, for that State and (ii) if no person has a majority, then the House of Representatives (and only the House of Representatives) shall choose the President where ‘the votes [in the House of Representatives] shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.'”
Gohmert is lying. There aren't competing slates.

You deflected my question as to what you prefer to call them, because there were indeed two separate slates presented from each of the disputed swing states. Do you prefer "alternate slates" ?
Are you denying that there were two separate slates from each of the disputed swing states ?


While there are indeed serious concerns about the presidential election and some alternate slates of electors have declared themselves such, those alternate electors have considerably less credibility. If Pence were to choose them, or to choose not to open the electoral votes from certain disputed states, that decision would cause a constitutional crisis.
What they are called is meaningless because nobody sent or certified them. The Trump electors in those states got together and voted but those electors weren't sent to anyone. Apparently those people have nothing better to do with their time. The Electoral College voted already, Biden won.


Really, because the strategy worked for JFK in 1960.

Which list is preferred is up to VP Pence.


.
There were two slates slates certified in 1960 in Hawaii. There are two slates certified in 2020 in no states.


There are two certified lists.

But VP Pence is the ONLY individual authorized to determine which list is acceptable.


.
 
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.

Then what terminology do you prefer ?


“Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors’ votes, or whether none, shall be counted,” the lawsuit argues.
The lawsuit also asks for a declaration that “with respect to competing slates of electors from the State of Arizona or other Contested States, or with respect to objection to any single slate of electors, the Twelfth Amendment contains the exclusive dispute resolution mechanisms, that (i) Vice President Pence determines which slate of electors’ votes shall be counted, or if none be counted, for that State and (ii) if no person has a majority, then the House of Representatives (and only the House of Representatives) shall choose the President where ‘the votes [in the House of Representatives] shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.'”
Gohmert is lying. There aren't competing slates.

You deflected my question as to what you prefer to call them, because there were indeed two separate slates presented from each of the disputed swing states. Do you prefer "alternate slates" ?
Are you denying that there were two separate slates from each of the disputed swing states ?


While there are indeed serious concerns about the presidential election and some alternate slates of electors have declared themselves such, those alternate electors have considerably less credibility. If Pence were to choose them, or to choose not to open the electoral votes from certain disputed states, that decision would cause a constitutional crisis.
What they are called is meaningless because nobody sent or certified them. The Trump electors in those states got together and voted but those electors weren't sent to anyone. Apparently those people have nothing better to do with their time. The Electoral College voted already, Biden won.
Fact is: You said,
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.
You were wrong.
Regardless of the term, there is two separate slates.
But there aren't. Nobody is taking the Trump slate of electors in states Biden won seriously outside of Trump fan fiction sites like OAN or Newsmax.
 
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.

Then what terminology do you prefer ?


“Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors’ votes, or whether none, shall be counted,” the lawsuit argues.
The lawsuit also asks for a declaration that “with respect to competing slates of electors from the State of Arizona or other Contested States, or with respect to objection to any single slate of electors, the Twelfth Amendment contains the exclusive dispute resolution mechanisms, that (i) Vice President Pence determines which slate of electors’ votes shall be counted, or if none be counted, for that State and (ii) if no person has a majority, then the House of Representatives (and only the House of Representatives) shall choose the President where ‘the votes [in the House of Representatives] shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.'”
Gohmert is lying. There aren't competing slates.

You deflected my question as to what you prefer to call them, because there were indeed two separate slates presented from each of the disputed swing states. Do you prefer "alternate slates" ?
Are you denying that there were two separate slates from each of the disputed swing states ?


While there are indeed serious concerns about the presidential election and some alternate slates of electors have declared themselves such, those alternate electors have considerably less credibility. If Pence were to choose them, or to choose not to open the electoral votes from certain disputed states, that decision would cause a constitutional crisis.
What they are called is meaningless because nobody sent or certified them. The Trump electors in those states got together and voted but those electors weren't sent to anyone. Apparently those people have nothing better to do with their time. The Electoral College voted already, Biden won.


Really, because the strategy worked for JFK in 1960.

Which list is preferred is up to VP Pence.


.
There were two slates slates certified in 1960 in Hawaii. There are two slates certified in 2020 in no states.


There are two certified lists.

But VP Pence is the ONLY individual authorized to determine which list is acceptable.


.
It is amazing how misinformed you are.
 
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.

Then what terminology do you prefer ?


“Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors’ votes, or whether none, shall be counted,” the lawsuit argues.
The lawsuit also asks for a declaration that “with respect to competing slates of electors from the State of Arizona or other Contested States, or with respect to objection to any single slate of electors, the Twelfth Amendment contains the exclusive dispute resolution mechanisms, that (i) Vice President Pence determines which slate of electors’ votes shall be counted, or if none be counted, for that State and (ii) if no person has a majority, then the House of Representatives (and only the House of Representatives) shall choose the President where ‘the votes [in the House of Representatives] shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.'”
Gohmert is lying. There aren't competing slates.

You deflected my question as to what you prefer to call them, because there were indeed two separate slates presented from each of the disputed swing states. Do you prefer "alternate slates" ?
Are you denying that there were two separate slates from each of the disputed swing states ?


While there are indeed serious concerns about the presidential election and some alternate slates of electors have declared themselves such, those alternate electors have considerably less credibility. If Pence were to choose them, or to choose not to open the electoral votes from certain disputed states, that decision would cause a constitutional crisis.
What they are called is meaningless because nobody sent or certified them. The Trump electors in those states got together and voted but those electors weren't sent to anyone. Apparently those people have nothing better to do with their time. The Electoral College voted already, Biden won.
Fact is: You said,
There weren't competing slates issued this year though.
You were wrong.
Regardless of the term, there is two separate slates.
But there aren't. Nobody is taking the Trump slate of electors in states Biden won seriously outside of Trump fan fiction sites like OAN or Newsmax.


WOW !
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