Rent Seeking and the Boston Tea Party

Winston

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The biggest problem in our economy today is rent seeking. In an effort to explain the concept of rent seeking I thought revisiting the Boston Tea Party might be constructive. Then we can find concrete examples of rent seeking in our current economy.

The Tea Act was not about taxes. At the time the East India company had huge stores of tea quickly rotting. The royal family and almost all of the upper house in England were shareholders in the East India Company. In a word, at the time, the company was too big to fail. In order to protect the company the Tea Act was passed, which reduced the tax that the East India Company paid and provided them with a significant competitive advantage. Not only could colonists now purchase British tea cheaper than Dutch tea, they could purchase British tea at half the price of the British.

Rent seeking is an attempt to increase one's wealth without producing any additional wealth. The tea was already produced. By getting the British government to pass legislation the East India Tea company was able to sell the tea they otherwise would not have been able to sell and it provided them with a competitive advantage that no other tea suppliers could attain.

The “tea partiers” were not protesting a tax hike, but a corporate tax break.

10 Things You May Not Know About the Boston Tea Party - History in the Headlines

Now, to modern times. We actually have something in place that is precisely the same thing as the break the British gave the East India Company. It is called a Miscellaneous Tariff Bill. We pass dozens of them every year. It is a law that temporarily reduces or suspends tariffs to goods imported into the United States.

It works like this. A well placed donation to a congressman can get that congressman to propose a MTB. Take Roger Millikan, owner of Millikan and Company, one of the largest textile and chemical companies in the United States. He donated $1,300 to the 2010 campaign of deficit hawk Mick Mulvaney. Mulvaney promptly proposed two MTB's listing Millikan and Company as the interested entity. The value of those two MTB's was 2.6 MILLION dollars.

So, Millikan and Company does not produce anything additional and reaps 2.6 million dollars in additional wealth. Does anyone really expect a company to invest in expanding their company and creating additional wealth when they can get a two and a half million dollar return on a $1,300 donation to a Congressman?

The founders would have revolted long long ago. Americans today don't deserve to call themselves Americans.
 

Wow, I guess it was a little advanced for you. Maybe I should start with Goldilocks and the Three Bears.

Maybe you should start with a more descriptive title and concise summary of whatever point you are trying to make.

WTF

Boston Tea Party was about RENT SEEKING, not taxes. Today, the very thing the colonists protested about is standard operating procedure in our Congress. The founders have been rolling in their graves for decades. Wake the fawk up America.
 

Wow, I guess it was a little advanced for you. Maybe I should start with Goldilocks and the Three Bears.

Maybe you should start with a more descriptive title and concise summary of whatever point you are trying to make.

WTF

Boston Tea Party was about RENT SEEKING, not taxes. Today, the very thing the colonists protested about is standard operating procedure in our Congress. The founders have been rolling in their graves for decades. Wake the fawk up America.

So what you are saying is that special interest campaign contributions are a from of bribery to access the public treasury? If so, i agree. Unfortunately, this has been going on throughout modern history. Our founders sought to ameliorate this problem through a layered form of representative democracy, but this has been undermined by popular voting for U.S. Senators and in Presidential elections which has increased the value of these contributions.
 
The biggest problem in our economy today is rent seeking. In an effort to explain the concept of rent seeking I thought revisiting the Boston Tea Party might be constructive. Then we can find concrete examples of rent seeking in our current economy.

The Tea Act was not about taxes. At the time the East India company had huge stores of tea quickly rotting. The royal family and almost all of the upper house in England were shareholders in the East India Company. In a word, at the time, the company was too big to fail. In order to protect the company the Tea Act was passed, which reduced the tax that the East India Company paid and provided them with a significant competitive advantage. Not only could colonists now purchase British tea cheaper than Dutch tea, they could purchase British tea at half the price of the British.

Rent seeking is an attempt to increase one's wealth without producing any additional wealth. The tea was already produced. By getting the British government to pass legislation the East India Tea company was able to sell the tea they otherwise would not have been able to sell and it provided them with a competitive advantage that no other tea suppliers could attain.

The “tea partiers” were not protesting a tax hike, but a corporate tax break.

10 Things You May Not Know About the Boston Tea Party - History in the Headlines

Now, to modern times. We actually have something in place that is precisely the same thing as the break the British gave the East India Company. It is called a Miscellaneous Tariff Bill. We pass dozens of them every year. It is a law that temporarily reduces or suspends tariffs to goods imported into the United States.

It works like this. A well placed donation to a congressman can get that congressman to propose a MTB. Take Roger Millikan, owner of Millikan and Company, one of the largest textile and chemical companies in the United States. He donated $1,300 to the 2010 campaign of deficit hawk Mick Mulvaney. Mulvaney promptly proposed two MTB's listing Millikan and Company as the interested entity. The value of those two MTB's was 2.6 MILLION dollars.

So, Millikan and Company does not produce anything additional and reaps 2.6 million dollars in additional wealth. Does anyone really expect a company to invest in expanding their company and creating additional wealth when they can get a two and a half million dollar return on a $1,300 donation to a Congressman?

The founders would have revolted long long ago. Americans today don't deserve to call themselves Americans.


What? It was about taxation with out representation , which was code "for we hate the British" and don't want a measly one seat in the house of Parliament..


.
 

Wow, I guess it was a little advanced for you. Maybe I should start with Goldilocks and the Three Bears.

Maybe you should start with a more descriptive title and concise summary of whatever point you are trying to make.

WTF

Boston Tea Party was about RENT SEEKING, not taxes. Today, the very thing the colonists protested about is standard operating procedure in our Congress. The founders have been rolling in their graves for decades. Wake the fawk up America.

So what you are saying is that special interest campaign contributions are a from of bribery to access the public treasury? If so, i agree. Unfortunately, this has been going on throughout modern history. Our founders sought to ameliorate this problem through a layered form of representative democracy, but this has been undermined by popular voting for U.S. Senators and in Presidential elections which has increased the value of these contributions.

That bribery is the clearest example of rent seeking that there is. The MTB is exactly the very same thing the British government granted the East India Tea Company. Popular voting for senators has nothing to do with. Many of the founders believed that neither Congressmen or Senators should be eligible for re-election. They could serve more than one term, just not serve them consecutively. That is a good place to start. But we can't really begin to attack the scourge of rent seeking until the population understands what it is.
 
The biggest problem in our economy today is rent seeking. In an effort to explain the concept of rent seeking I thought revisiting the Boston Tea Party might be constructive. Then we can find concrete examples of rent seeking in our current economy.

The Tea Act was not about taxes. At the time the East India company had huge stores of tea quickly rotting. The royal family and almost all of the upper house in England were shareholders in the East India Company. In a word, at the time, the company was too big to fail. In order to protect the company the Tea Act was passed, which reduced the tax that the East India Company paid and provided them with a significant competitive advantage. Not only could colonists now purchase British tea cheaper than Dutch tea, they could purchase British tea at half the price of the British.

Rent seeking is an attempt to increase one's wealth without producing any additional wealth. The tea was already produced. By getting the British government to pass legislation the East India Tea company was able to sell the tea they otherwise would not have been able to sell and it provided them with a competitive advantage that no other tea suppliers could attain.

The “tea partiers” were not protesting a tax hike, but a corporate tax break.

10 Things You May Not Know About the Boston Tea Party - History in the Headlines

Now, to modern times. We actually have something in place that is precisely the same thing as the break the British gave the East India Company. It is called a Miscellaneous Tariff Bill. We pass dozens of them every year. It is a law that temporarily reduces or suspends tariffs to goods imported into the United States.

It works like this. A well placed donation to a congressman can get that congressman to propose a MTB. Take Roger Millikan, owner of Millikan and Company, one of the largest textile and chemical companies in the United States. He donated $1,300 to the 2010 campaign of deficit hawk Mick Mulvaney. Mulvaney promptly proposed two MTB's listing Millikan and Company as the interested entity. The value of those two MTB's was 2.6 MILLION dollars.

So, Millikan and Company does not produce anything additional and reaps 2.6 million dollars in additional wealth. Does anyone really expect a company to invest in expanding their company and creating additional wealth when they can get a two and a half million dollar return on a $1,300 donation to a Congressman?

The founders would have revolted long long ago. Americans today don't deserve to call themselves Americans.


What? It was about taxation with out representation , which was code "for we hate the British" and don't want a measly one seat in the house of Parliament..


.

Not the Boston Tea Party. Did you not read the link? The Tea act did not implement any new taxes, it granted a tax subsidy to the East India Tea Company. Hell, it made the tea cheaper for the colonists. But the colonists thought more about PRINCIPALS than buying cheap tea. It should be clear how much things have changed.
 
The biggest problem in our economy today is rent seeking. In an effort to explain the concept of rent seeking I thought revisiting the Boston Tea Party might be constructive. Then we can find concrete examples of rent seeking in our current economy.

The Tea Act was not about taxes. At the time the East India company had huge stores of tea quickly rotting. The royal family and almost all of the upper house in England were shareholders in the East India Company. In a word, at the time, the company was too big to fail. In order to protect the company the Tea Act was passed, which reduced the tax that the East India Company paid and provided them with a significant competitive advantage. Not only could colonists now purchase British tea cheaper than Dutch tea, they could purchase British tea at half the price of the British.

Rent seeking is an attempt to increase one's wealth without producing any additional wealth. The tea was already produced. By getting the British government to pass legislation the East India Tea company was able to sell the tea they otherwise would not have been able to sell and it provided them with a competitive advantage that no other tea suppliers could attain.

The “tea partiers” were not protesting a tax hike, but a corporate tax break.

10 Things You May Not Know About the Boston Tea Party - History in the Headlines

Now, to modern times. We actually have something in place that is precisely the same thing as the break the British gave the East India Company. It is called a Miscellaneous Tariff Bill. We pass dozens of them every year. It is a law that temporarily reduces or suspends tariffs to goods imported into the United States.

It works like this. A well placed donation to a congressman can get that congressman to propose a MTB. Take Roger Millikan, owner of Millikan and Company, one of the largest textile and chemical companies in the United States. He donated $1,300 to the 2010 campaign of deficit hawk Mick Mulvaney. Mulvaney promptly proposed two MTB's listing Millikan and Company as the interested entity. The value of those two MTB's was 2.6 MILLION dollars.

So, Millikan and Company does not produce anything additional and reaps 2.6 million dollars in additional wealth. Does anyone really expect a company to invest in expanding their company and creating additional wealth when they can get a two and a half million dollar return on a $1,300 donation to a Congressman?

The founders would have revolted long long ago. Americans today don't deserve to call themselves Americans.


What? It was about taxation with out representation , which was code "for we hate the British" and don't want a measly one seat in the house of Parliament..


.

Not the Boston Tea Party. Did you not read the link? The Tea act did not implement any new taxes, it granted a tax subsidy to the East India Tea Company. Hell, it made the tea cheaper for the colonists. But the colonists thought more about PRINCIPALS than buying cheap tea. It should be clear how much things have changed.

You're challenging their long held beliefs. They cling to false ideas like the Founders were conservatives, tax cuts create jobs, and deficits matter when a Democrat is President but when Republicans are in the WH, deficits don't matter.
 
The biggest problem in our economy today is rent seeking. In an effort to explain the concept of rent seeking I thought revisiting the Boston Tea Party might be constructive. Then we can find concrete examples of rent seeking in our current economy.

The Tea Act was not about taxes. At the time the East India company had huge stores of tea quickly rotting. The royal family and almost all of the upper house in England were shareholders in the East India Company. In a word, at the time, the company was too big to fail. In order to protect the company the Tea Act was passed, which reduced the tax that the East India Company paid and provided them with a significant competitive advantage. Not only could colonists now purchase British tea cheaper than Dutch tea, they could purchase British tea at half the price of the British.

Rent seeking is an attempt to increase one's wealth without producing any additional wealth. The tea was already produced. By getting the British government to pass legislation the East India Tea company was able to sell the tea they otherwise would not have been able to sell and it provided them with a competitive advantage that no other tea suppliers could attain.

The “tea partiers” were not protesting a tax hike, but a corporate tax break.

10 Things You May Not Know About the Boston Tea Party - History in the Headlines

Now, to modern times. We actually have something in place that is precisely the same thing as the break the British gave the East India Company. It is called a Miscellaneous Tariff Bill. We pass dozens of them every year. It is a law that temporarily reduces or suspends tariffs to goods imported into the United States.

It works like this. A well placed donation to a congressman can get that congressman to propose a MTB. Take Roger Millikan, owner of Millikan and Company, one of the largest textile and chemical companies in the United States. He donated $1,300 to the 2010 campaign of deficit hawk Mick Mulvaney. Mulvaney promptly proposed two MTB's listing Millikan and Company as the interested entity. The value of those two MTB's was 2.6 MILLION dollars.

So, Millikan and Company does not produce anything additional and reaps 2.6 million dollars in additional wealth. Does anyone really expect a company to invest in expanding their company and creating additional wealth when they can get a two and a half million dollar return on a $1,300 donation to a Congressman?

The founders would have revolted long long ago. Americans today don't deserve to call themselves Americans.


What? It was about taxation with out representation , which was code "for we hate the British" and don't want a measly one seat in the house of Parliament..


.

Not the Boston Tea Party. Did you not read the link? The Tea act did not implement any new taxes, it granted a tax subsidy to the East India Tea Company. Hell, it made the tea cheaper for the colonists. But the colonists thought more about PRINCIPALS than buying cheap tea. It should be clear how much things have changed.

You're challenging their long held beliefs. They cling to false ideas like the Founders were conservatives, tax cuts create jobs, and deficits matter when a Democrat is President but when Republicans are in the WH, deficits don't matter.
 
The biggest problem in our economy today is rent seeking. In an effort to explain the concept of rent seeking I thought revisiting the Boston Tea Party might be constructive. Then we can find concrete examples of rent seeking in our current economy.

The Tea Act was not about taxes. At the time the East India company had huge stores of tea quickly rotting. The royal family and almost all of the upper house in England were shareholders in the East India Company. In a word, at the time, the company was too big to fail. In order to protect the company the Tea Act was passed, which reduced the tax that the East India Company paid and provided them with a significant competitive advantage. Not only could colonists now purchase British tea cheaper than Dutch tea, they could purchase British tea at half the price of the British.

Rent seeking is an attempt to increase one's wealth without producing any additional wealth. The tea was already produced. By getting the British government to pass legislation the East India Tea company was able to sell the tea they otherwise would not have been able to sell and it provided them with a competitive advantage that no other tea suppliers could attain.

The “tea partiers” were not protesting a tax hike, but a corporate tax break.

10 Things You May Not Know About the Boston Tea Party - History in the Headlines

Now, to modern times. We actually have something in place that is precisely the same thing as the break the British gave the East India Company. It is called a Miscellaneous Tariff Bill. We pass dozens of them every year. It is a law that temporarily reduces or suspends tariffs to goods imported into the United States.

It works like this. A well placed donation to a congressman can get that congressman to propose a MTB. Take Roger Millikan, owner of Millikan and Company, one of the largest textile and chemical companies in the United States. He donated $1,300 to the 2010 campaign of deficit hawk Mick Mulvaney. Mulvaney promptly proposed two MTB's listing Millikan and Company as the interested entity. The value of those two MTB's was 2.6 MILLION dollars.

So, Millikan and Company does not produce anything additional and reaps 2.6 million dollars in additional wealth. Does anyone really expect a company to invest in expanding their company and creating additional wealth when they can get a two and a half million dollar return on a $1,300 donation to a Congressman?

The founders would have revolted long long ago. Americans today don't deserve to call themselves Americans.


What? It was about taxation with out representation , which was code "for we hate the British" and don't want a measly one seat in the house of Parliament..


.

Not the Boston Tea Party. Did you not read the link? The Tea act did not implement any new taxes, it granted a tax subsidy to the East India Tea Company. Hell, it made the tea cheaper for the colonists. But the colonists thought more about PRINCIPALS than buying cheap tea. It should be clear how much things have changed.

You're challenging their long held beliefs. They cling to false ideas like the Founders were conservatives, tax cuts create jobs, and deficits matter when a Democrat is President but when Republicans are in the WH, deficits don't matter.


If the founders were liberals why did they have slaves and refuse to give women the right to vote?

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