Renewable Energy: The promises vs reality gap!!

[skookerasbil]

Ummmmm......how about the gap is HUGE!!!


Really? I don’t think so. Let's look at the potential of solar energy, which is easiest to quantify. According to NASA data, "the average intensity of solar energy reaching the top of the atmosphere directly facing the Sun is about 1,360 watts per square meter. Averaged over the entire planet [including night], the amount of sunlight arriving at the top of Earth’s atmosphere is only one-fourth of the total solar irradiance, or approximately 340 watts per square meter." Further, there is loss of about 25% from the top of the atmosphere down to the surface due to clouds, pollution, and other factors—and there's no way that improved efficiency on the surface will change that.



The gap between renewable energy promises and reality

This is eye opening stuff even for me.......we see these AGW people throwing out these "renewables are our future" threads yet its laughable when you look at some simple realities!!

Who's not winning?

 

[Old Rocks]

Averaged over the whole planet? What bullshit. You are only going to pick up solar during daylight hours, so keep it honest and state what the average is for those hours. With energy storage now available for both the individual home, and at grid level, solar becomes even more attractive as the prices of both generation and storage continue on a down curve. At utility level, solar is now competative with fossil fuels in many areas. As grid storage is built into the grid, wind and solar are going to remain the preferred form of new installation for generation on the grid.

 

[waltky]

Granny outside...

... gettin' a tan.

 

[DGS49]

If Lefties were serious about reducing carbon emissions, they would be promoting Nuclear power enthusiastically.

Instead, they shun and scorn even talk of nuclear power out of ignorance directed from above. NOT A SINGLE AMERICAN HAS DIED FROM RADIATION GENERATED BY A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT - EVER.

What other industry can make a similar claim?

Solar, wind, tidal, etc., are fairly harmless, but also pointless and economic nonsense.

 

[skookerasbil]

Averaged over the whole planet? What bullshit. You are only going to pick up solar during daylight hours, so keep it honest and state what the average is for those hours. With energy storage now available for both the individual home, and at grid level, solar becomes even more attractive as the prices of both generation and storage continue on a down curve. At utility level, solar is now competative with fossil fuels in many areas. As grid storage is built into the grid, wind and solar are going to remain the preferred form of new installation for generation on the grid.

Not enough sun Ray!!

Look..........after 25 years of the alarmist folks throwing bombs, solar energy in America is still at laughably low levels......its not even debatable ( less than 1% ). 25 years and still 1%......think about the laughableness of that!! Ten years ago the alarmist nutters were saying solar was growing 150% a year and by now would be dominating the energy landscape.......these people are fantasy specialists. Ones feet cant be firmly planted on the floor if they think that someday, solar is going to be a prime resource for energy. It would be like me circa 1850 saying that by 1900 we'd be seeing F22 fighter aircraft roaming the skies.


C'mon now..............

If solar even gets to 15%.......every person posting in this forum will be in their box many, many decades!!

 

[Brambo]

Ummmmm......how about the gap is HUGE!!!


Really? I don’t think so. Let's look at the potential of solar energy, which is easiest to quantify. According to NASA data, "the average intensity of solar energy reaching the top of the atmosphere directly facing the Sun is about 1,360 watts per square meter. Averaged over the entire planet [including night], the amount of sunlight arriving at the top of Earth’s atmosphere is only one-fourth of the total solar irradiance, or approximately 340 watts per square meter." Further, there is loss of about 25% from the top of the atmosphere down to the surface due to clouds, pollution, and other factors—and there's no way that improved efficiency on the surface will change that.



The gap between renewable energy promises and reality

This is eye opening stuff even for me.......we see these AGW people throwing out these "renewables are our future" threads yet its laughable when you look at some simple realities!!

Who's not winning?

The article you quoted is fucking stupid.

Germany nearly reached 100 percent renewable power on Sunday

Germany was already able to produce all its electricity from Renewable Power sources this year, and they aren't done adding capacity which means more and more out of each year all their electricity can come from renewables. This year was just an integration testing.

 

[Brambo]

Averaged over the whole planet? What bullshit. You are only going to pick up solar during daylight hours, so keep it honest and state what the average is for those hours. With energy storage now available for both the individual home, and at grid level, solar becomes even more attractive as the prices of both generation and storage continue on a down curve. At utility level, solar is now competative with fossil fuels in many areas. As grid storage is built into the grid, wind and solar are going to remain the preferred form of new installation for generation on the grid.

Not enough sun Ray!!

Look..........after 25 years of the alarmist folks throwing bombs, solar energy in America is still at laughably low levels......its not even debatable ( less than 1% ). 25 years and still 1%......think about the laughableness of that!! Ten years ago the alarmist nutters were saying solar was growing 150% a year and by now would be dominating the energy landscape.......these people are fantasy specialists. Ones feet cant be firmly planted on the floor if they think that someday, solar is going to be a prime resource for energy. It would be like me circa 1850 saying that by 1900 we'd be seeing F22 fighter aircraft roaming the skies.


C'mon now..............

If solar even gets to 15%.......every person posting in this forum will be in their box many, many decades!!

Meanwhile Germany produces 100% of its electricity from Solar and Wind.

 

[Brambo]

If Lefties were serious about reducing carbon emissions, they would be promoting Nuclear power enthusiastically.

Instead, they shun and scorn even talk of nuclear power out of ignorance directed from above. NOT A SINGLE AMERICAN HAS DIED FROM RADIATION GENERATED BY A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT - EVER.

What other industry can make a similar claim?

Solar, wind, tidal, etc., are fairly harmless, but also pointless and economic nonsense.

Are you fucking kidding?

There have been HUNDREDS of deaths from radiation in the United States from Nuclear power.

Many of them have died in a couple days after their exposure while working at Nuclear Power plants.

There have been reactor explosions and reactor fires killing dozens in the US alone.

Read the book:

You just don't know what the FUCK you're talking about.

https://www.amazon.com/Atomic-Accidents-Meltdowns-Disasters-Mountains/dp/1605986801&tag=ff0d01-20

 

[Brambo]

Here is a list of over 50 people killed by Nuclear accidents while working at Nuclear Power plants across the world, over a dozen were Americans in US reactors. This list is very partial, the Atomic Accidents book details the complete list.

There have been 3 accidental explosions of nuclear bombs during Nuclear Bomb making.

Bet you didn't fucking know that either.

List of nuclear and radiation accidents by death toll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[skookerasbil]

Averaged over the whole planet? What bullshit. You are only going to pick up solar during daylight hours, so keep it honest and state what the average is for those hours. With energy storage now available for both the individual home, and at grid level, solar becomes even more attractive as the prices of both generation and storage continue on a down curve. At utility level, solar is now competative with fossil fuels in many areas. As grid storage is built into the grid, wind and solar are going to remain the preferred form of new installation for generation on the grid.

Not enough sun Ray!!

Look..........after 25 years of the alarmist folks throwing bombs, solar energy in America is still at laughably low levels......its not even debatable ( less than 1% ). 25 years and still 1%......think about the laughableness of that!! Ten years ago the alarmist nutters were saying solar was growing 150% a year and by now would be dominating the energy landscape.......these people are fantasy specialists. Ones feet cant be firmly planted on the floor if they think that someday, solar is going to be a prime resource for energy. It would be like me circa 1850 saying that by 1900 we'd be seeing F22 fighter aircraft roaming the skies.


C'mon now..............

If solar even gets to 15%.......every person posting in this forum will be in their box many, many decades!!

Meanwhile Germany produces 100% of its electricity from Solar and Wind.

On one day for only 2 hours genius!!!


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On Monday, both Agora Energiewende (a Berlin-based think tank) and Clean Energy Wire (an associated communications team) announced that renewable electricity “probably” covered more than 90 percent of power demand at 58 GW for a couple of hours on Sunday.

Whatever the share of renewable electricity was on Sunday, let’s clear up some confusion: First, we are only talking about electricity, not energy. The power sector makes up only around 20 percent of the German energy demand. And renewables made up only 15 percent of total energy consumption last year in our best estimate (no official estimates will be published for a while).

Germany nearly reached 100 percent renewable power on Sunday



OK.....Ive been in this forum for 7 years and have seen countless bozoisms launched from the mouths of the AGW k00ks but this one clearly get the STOOPIDEST OF ALL TIME award!!

 

[Brambo]

Averaged over the whole planet? What bullshit. You are only going to pick up solar during daylight hours, so keep it honest and state what the average is for those hours. With energy storage now available for both the individual home, and at grid level, solar becomes even more attractive as the prices of both generation and storage continue on a down curve. At utility level, solar is now competative with fossil fuels in many areas. As grid storage is built into the grid, wind and solar are going to remain the preferred form of new installation for generation on the grid.

Not enough sun Ray!!

Look..........after 25 years of the alarmist folks throwing bombs, solar energy in America is still at laughably low levels......its not even debatable ( less than 1% ). 25 years and still 1%......think about the laughableness of that!! Ten years ago the alarmist nutters were saying solar was growing 150% a year and by now would be dominating the energy landscape.......these people are fantasy specialists. Ones feet cant be firmly planted on the floor if they think that someday, solar is going to be a prime resource for energy. It would be like me circa 1850 saying that by 1900 we'd be seeing F22 fighter aircraft roaming the skies.


C'mon now..............

If solar even gets to 15%.......every person posting in this forum will be in their box many, many decades!!

Meanwhile Germany produces 100% of its electricity from Solar and Wind.

On one day for only 2 hours genius!!!





On Monday, both Agora Energiewende (a Berlin-based think tank) and Clean Energy Wire (an associated communications team) announced that renewable electricity “probably” covered more than 90 percent of power demand at 58 GW for a couple of hours on Sunday.

Whatever the share of renewable electricity was on Sunday, let’s clear up some confusion: First, we are only talking about electricity, not energy. The power sector makes up only around 20 percent of the German energy demand. And renewables made up only 15 percent of total energy consumption last year in our best estimate (no official estimates will be published for a while).

Germany nearly reached 100 percent renewable power on Sunday



OK.....Ive been in this forum for 7 years and have seen countless bozoisms launched from the mouths of the AGW k00ks but this one clearly get the STOOPIDEST OF ALL TIME award!!

You're too stupid to understand what that implies.

It is a test of systems integrations and takes time, they CAN produce 100% of their electricity from Renewables and are adding even more renewables.

As well as the pumped storage to make it more consistent.

You're too dumb to talk about the electrical grid industry.

 

[skookerasbil]

In 2015, 44% of Germanys electricity was generated by..................coal!

Germany’s renewables electricity generation grows in 2015, but coal still dominant - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)



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[Brambo]

In 2015, 44% of Germanys electricity was generated by..................coal!

Germany’s renewables electricity generation grows in 2015, but coal still dominant - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

No shit, but those coal power plants aren't being replaced.

Why are you so fucking stupid?

 

[skookerasbil]

German coal imports from Russia highest since 2006

 

[Brambo]

Currently about 45% of Germany’s electricity comes from burning coal. However, it was reported recently that new coal plants will not be financed there. About 24% came from solar and wind last year, but that amount could expand to 45% by 2025, if targets are met.

Germany To Dump Coal?

 

[Brambo]

German coal imports from Russia highest since 2006

Quoted from your source, because you're too fucking stupid.

The coal imports are being used for Steel production, and not electrical production. A different issue entirely.

 

[Brambo]

Germany is in the process of updating their Steel industry from a coal fired furnace to Electrical Arc Furnace. That takes time:

Electric Arc Furnace Steelmaking

 

[Brambo]

SkookerASSbil is literally the dumbest poster on this forum.

He comes in here, gets his facts wrong, then thinks because nothing happens over night that nothing is happening at all.

That's fucking stupid.

Then I come in here, and easily dismantle his dumb shit with facts, and publications.

 

[HenryBHough]

While I firmly believe nuclear power has a major role to play in the energy market, I do also believe it must be respected and treated with appropriate caution. Yes, you can get cancer from too much sunlight - but we don't ban solar-generated electricity for that. Nuclear fuels have a similar ability to kill yet far more people die of overexposure to sunlight (cancer) than have people killed by radiation. No denying there are some such fatalities. Please read the linked article to get some understanding:

Nuclear Fatality at Wood River Junction | Yankee Classic Article - New England Today

I was very close to the events described. A friend was on the ambulance crew involved; he was exposed to radiation, lots of radiation, from the first victims being transported. He died of pervasive cancer a very few years later. Was his death caused by radiation? Almost surely. But more certainly because, at the time, the dangers were not fully understood and precautions that could have been taken were not.

But that does not make it logical to ban nuclear usage than it might be logical to roof over the entire planet to keep people from being dangerously sunburned.

 

[Brambo]

While I firmly believe nuclear power has a major role to play in the energy market, I do also believe it must be respected and treated with appropriate caution. Yes, you can get cancer from too much sunlight - but we don't ban solar-generated electricity for that. Nuclear fuels have a similar ability to kill yet far more people die of overexposure to sunlight (cancer) than have people killed by radiation. No denying there are some such fatalities. Please read the linked article to get some understanding:

Nuclear Fatality at Wood River Junction | Yankee Classic Article - New England Today

I was very close to the events described. A friend was on the ambulance crew involved; he was exposed to radiation, lots of radiation, from the first victims being transported. He died of pervasive cancer a very few years later. Was his death caused by radiation? Almost surely. But more certainly because, at the time, the dangers were not fully understood and precautions that could have been taken were not.

But that does not make it logical to ban nuclear usage than it might be logical to roof over the entire planet to keep people from being dangerously sunburned.

Nuclear power has the potential to destroy an entire Country (USSR), an entire economy (Japan) or the world.

It is just not worth it now that we are developing much cleaner renewable energy.