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[buttercup]

Im a CITIZEN. HE IS NOT.

Maybe you didn't read the thread, because PoliticalChic already went over this, about a thousand times.

He is a legal resident, with a green card, and the Constitution applies to him.

Orwellian??? Jan 6 th put us there under Biden. Political prisoners while BLM hardly got time at all.

I was talking about where I believe things are heading....not strictly about this particular case. It remains to be seen what happens with this case.

But I'm glad you mentioned Jan 6 because that gives me a chance to bring up something that has been on my mind. I might part ways with PoliticalChic on what I'm about to say, and certainly with you... but the government doesn't care if it's the left or the right who gets the shaft. To me it's clear that there's an attack on all of us, whichever "side" we're on. (I believe that the actual powers running the show control both sides, so I'm not entrenched in the right / left paradigm that so many folks here are stuck in.)

But the point I wanted to bring up is that when it comes to certain corrupt segments of our government, one of their M.Os is Order out of Chaos. It's an age old tactic, and I don't think I have to explain it, I think most here understand how it works.

What does that have to do this with this topic? TBH I haven't looked into all these anti-war protests going on, on college campuses, I need to look into it more... but my gut feeling is that like with January 6, the tactic of planned chaos is being used in a lot of these high profile news events, whether the folks involved are left, right, or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if agent provocateurs were at those pro-palestine demonstrations, just like Jan. 6 and other events in the past involving righties.

Again, the powers-that-be use manipulative tactics, like Order out of Chaos, Problem -Reaction - Solution, Divide and Conquer, etc. And again, it doesn't matter who's on the receiving end of it. I agree with what George Carlin said, they don't care about any of us. It's a big club...and we aint in it.

This is why it's so important to not look at things through a hyper-partisan lens or always react in a knee-jerk emotional way....but put principle and the constitution and bill of rights first.

If you don't, like I said, you're giving the government more power that will eventually come back to bite you in the rear. Make no mistake about that.

Do these protesters have the right to attack and threaten Jews at these campuses??

Do these protesters have the right to threaten me because of a MAGA HAT??

This has been going on FOR TOO LONG.

They do this is a deep red state they will do time. Lettist states are where this BS IS HAPPENING.

I already addressed this. Anyone who commits crimes should be charged and pay the price. That should go without saying. But like I just said above... whenever there is any violence, we better be certain about who is actually doing it. I really believe that 'Order out of Chaos' is the name of the game these days. So I don't automatically trust whatever the TV tells me. No one should. Always dig deeper.

Anyway, I hate to repeat myself, but you're not looking at the bigger picture. You keep focusing on this particular news story, and reacting in an emotional, hyper-partisan way.

 

[HeyNorm]

Speech is 'peaceful.'

Way to sidestep!

I was talking about I would be treated in his country doing the same thing.

And you knew that

 

[HeyNorm]

And if some administration decided whatever organization you belong to was 'terrorist,' who'd be around to defend you?

Not possible......the FBI investigated parents objecting to a school board as "domestic terrorists."

Wake the heck up, you dunce......you need the Constitution.

Sure, and when the enemy respect it, give me a call sunshine.

I’m watching YOUR government claim they have “a constitutional right” to force middle school girls undress in front of boys.

Nah, I’m good standing up and say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Maybe you didn't read the thread, because PoliticalChic already went over this, about a thousand times.

He is a legal resident, with a green card, and the Constitution applies to him.



I was talking about where I believe things are heading....not strictly about this particular case. It remains to be seen what happens with this case.

But I'm glad you mentioned Jan 6 because that gives me a chance to bring up something that has been on my mind. I might part ways with PoliticalChic on what I'm about to say, and certainly with you... but the government doesn't care if it's the left or the right who gets the shaft. To me it's clear that there's an attack on all of us, whichever "side" we're on. (I believe that the actual powers running the show control both sides, so I'm not entrenched in the right / left paradigm that so many folks here are stuck in.)

But the point I wanted to bring up is that when it comes to certain corrupt segments of our government, one of their M.Os is Order out of Chaos. It's an age old tactic, and I don't think I have to explain it, I think most here understand how it works.

What does that have to do this with this topic? TBH I haven't looked into all these anti-war protests going on, on college campuses, I need to look into it more... but my gut feeling is that like with January 6, the tactic of planned chaos is being used in a lot of these high profile news events, whether the folks involved in these events are left, right, or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if agent provocateurs were at those pro-palestine events, just like with Jan. 6 and other events in the past involving righties.

Again, the powers-that-be use manipulative tactics, like Order out of Chaos, Problem -Reaction - Solution, Divide and Conquer, etc. And again, it doesn't matter whose on the receiving end of it. I agree with what George Carlin said, they don't care about any of us. It's a big club...and we aint in it.

This is why it's so important to not look at things through a hyper-partisan lens or always react in a knee-jerk emotional way....but put principle and the constitution and bill of rights first.

If you don't, like I said, you're giving the government more power that will eventually come back to bite you in the rear. Make no mistake about that.




I already addressed this. Anyone who commits crimes should be charged and pay the price. That should go without saying. But like I just said above... whenever there is any violence, we better be certain about who is actually doing it. I really believe that 'Order out of Chaos' is the name of the game these days. So I don't automatically trust whatever the TV tells me. No one should. Always dig deeper.

Anyway, I hate to repeat myself, but you're not looking at the bigger picture. You keep focusing on this particular news story, and reacting in an emotional, hyper-partisan way.

"Maybe you didn't read the thread, because PoliticalChic already went over this, about a thousand times."


"Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not."
Jeremiah 5:21

 

[The Irish Ram]

This is why it's so important to not look at things through a hyper-partisan lens or always react in a knee-jerk emotional way....but put principle and the constitution and bill of rights first.

If you don't, like I said, you're giving the government more power that will eventually come back to bite you in the rear. Make no mistake about that

Well said...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Way to sidestep!

I was talking about I would be treated in his country doing the same thing.

And you knew that

You'd have me to support you for the same reason I posted the thread.

Let that sink in.

 

[eagle1462010]

Maybe you didn't read the thread, because PoliticalChic already went over this, about a thousand times.

He is a legal resident, with a green card, and the Constitution applies to him.



I was talking about where I believe things are heading....not strictly about this particular case. It remains to be seen what happens with this case.

But I'm glad you mentioned Jan 6 because that gives me a chance to bring up something that has been on my mind. I might part ways with PoliticalChic on what I'm about to say, and certainly with you... but the government doesn't care if it's the left or the right who gets the shaft. To me it's clear that there's an attack on all of us, whichever "side" we're on. (I believe that the actual powers running the show control both sides, so I'm not entrenched in the right / left paradigm that so many folks here are stuck in.)

But the point I wanted to bring up is that when it comes to certain corrupt segments of our government, one of their M.Os is Order out of Chaos. It's an age old tactic, and I don't think I have to explain it, I think most here understand how it works.

What does that have to do this with this topic? TBH I haven't looked into all these anti-war protests going on, on college campuses, I need to look into it more... but my gut feeling is that like with January 6, the tactic of planned chaos is being used in a lot of these high profile news events, whether the folks involved are left, right, or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if agent provocateurs were at those pro-palestine demonstrations, just like Jan. 6 and other events in the past involving righties.

Again, the powers-that-be use manipulative tactics, like Order out of Chaos, Problem -Reaction - Solution, Divide and Conquer, etc. And again, it doesn't matter who's on the receiving end of it. I agree with what George Carlin said, they don't care about any of us. It's a big club...and we aint in it.

This is why it's so important to not look at things through a hyper-partisan lens or always react in a knee-jerk emotional way....but put principle and the constitution and bill of rights first.

If you don't, like I said, you're giving the government more power that will eventually come back to bite you in the rear. Make no mistake about that.




I already addressed this. Anyone who commits crimes should be charged and pay the price. That should go without saying. But like I just said above... whenever there is any violence, we better be certain about who is actually doing it. I really believe that 'Order out of Chaos' is the name of the game these days. So I don't automatically trust whatever the TV tells me. No one should. Always dig deeper.

Anyway, I hate to repeat myself, but you're not looking at the bigger picture. You keep focusing on this particular news story, and reacting in an emotional, hyper-partisan way.

Legal documented to be here.

NOT A CITIZEN.

 

[HeyNorm]

You'd have me to support you for the same reason I posted the thread.

Let that sink in.

We just went through the very kind of administration you warn us about. One with a complete disregard for the RIGHTS OF ITS CITIZENS.

Call me when the current one causes 1% of that to CITIZENS.

K?

 

[eagle1462010]

Maybe you didn't read the thread, because PoliticalChic already went over this, about a thousand times.

He is a legal resident, with a green card, and the Constitution applies to him.



I was talking about where I believe things are heading....not strictly about this particular case. It remains to be seen what happens with this case.

But I'm glad you mentioned Jan 6 because that gives me a chance to bring up something that has been on my mind. I might part ways with PoliticalChic on what I'm about to say, and certainly with you... but the government doesn't care if it's the left or the right who gets the shaft. To me it's clear that there's an attack on all of us, whichever "side" we're on. (I believe that the actual powers running the show control both sides, so I'm not entrenched in the right / left paradigm that so many folks here are stuck in.)

But the point I wanted to bring up is that when it comes to certain corrupt segments of our government, one of their M.Os is Order out of Chaos. It's an age old tactic, and I don't think I have to explain it, I think most here understand how it works.

What does that have to do this with this topic? TBH I haven't looked into all these anti-war protests going on, on college campuses, I need to look into it more... but my gut feeling is that like with January 6, the tactic of planned chaos is being used in a lot of these high profile news events, whether the folks involved are left, right, or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if agent provocateurs were at those pro-palestine demonstrations, just like Jan. 6 and other events in the past involving righties.

Again, the powers-that-be use manipulative tactics, like Order out of Chaos, Problem -Reaction - Solution, Divide and Conquer, etc. And again, it doesn't matter who's on the receiving end of it. I agree with what George Carlin said, they don't care about any of us. It's a big club...and we aint in it.

This is why it's so important to not look at things through a hyper-partisan lens or always react in a knee-jerk emotional way....but put principle and the constitution and bill of rights first.

If you don't, like I said, you're giving the government more power that will eventually come back to bite you in the rear. Make no mistake about that.




I already addressed this. Anyone who commits crimes should be charged and pay the price. That should go without saying. But like I just said above... whenever there is any violence, we better be certain about who is actually doing it. I really believe that 'Order out of Chaos' is the name of the game these days. So I don't automatically trust whatever the TV tells me. No one should. Always dig deeper.

Anyway, I hate to repeat myself, but you're not looking at the bigger picture. You keep focusing on this particular news story, and reacting in an emotional, hyper-partisan way.

My view is American. They have used protests to threaten, intimidate, and shut down schools.

I posted an article from the University saying the same.

My rights or others dont begin where their agenda ends.

He has a court date. He was detained by ICE. HE IS NOT A CITIZEN.

On abpersonal note. Those who threatened Jews on that campus should be ROTTING IN JAIL.

Ill do a deal. How about that Anti American do 30 years in prison for his actions on that campus??

Be fine by me.

 

[eagle1462010]

"I also understand what freedom of speech means."

Does it depond on what you are saying?

Just checking.

Try saying Death to Allah in the Middle East.

These people use FEAR and Intimidation to achieve a political purpose.

Which is about Exactly the definition of terrorism.

The Jews and MAGAs have every right to attend these schools. Why to a leftist shithole is another topic.

We have seen them on these schools doing this all over this country.

Protests HAVE LIMITS.

 

[mudwhistle]

"I also understand what freedom of speech means."

Does it depond on what you are saying?

Just checking.

Yes. I've discussed the 1st Amendment on numerous occasions in class in high school and college.
There are limits to the 1st Amendment which I'm sure you're aware of. Yelling fire in a crowded movie theater.
Another limit is you're not allowed to instigate violence against anyone or induce other's into committing a crime.
There are special limitations on college campuses. Protesters aren't allowed to take over buildings or occupy spaces that causes a hindrance to other students' ability to attend classes, or feel safe on campus.

 

[mudwhistle]

My view is American. They have used protests to threaten, intimidate, and shut down schools.

I posted an article from the University saying the same.

My rights or others dont begin where their agenda ends.

He has a court date. He was detained by ICE. HE IS NOT A CITIZEN.

On abpersonal note. Those who threatened Jews on that campus should be ROTTING IN JAIL.

Ill do a deal. How about that Anti American do 30 years in prison for his actions on that campus??

Be fine by me.

Yep. Leading chants that advocates genocide "From The River To The Sea...." is no different then going on campus to scream your allegiance to Adolph Hitler and his Holocaust programs.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[PoliticalChic]

We just went through the very kind of administration you warn us about. One with a complete disregard for the RIGHTS OF ITS CITIZENS.

Call me when the current one causes 1% of that to CITIZENS.

K?

I don't believe I'll be calling you for any reason.

I've schooled you on the Constitution and the rights of legal residents, but, in the words of the Bible, you've been measured, and found to be wanting.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Try saying Death to Allah in the Middle East.

These people use FEAR and Intimidation to achieve a political purpose.

Which is about Exactly the definition of terrorism.

The Jews and MAGAs have every right to attend these schools. Why to a leftist shithole is another topic.

We have seen them on these schools doing this all over this country.

Protests HAVE LIMITS.

I see you'd rather change the subject from America and the Constitution.

Folks tend to do that when they found they've lost the argument.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes. I've discussed the 1st Amendment on numerous occasions in class in high school and college.
There are limits to the 1st Amendment which I'm sure you're aware of. Yelling fire in a crowded movie theater.
Another limit is you're not allowed to instigate violence against anyone or induce other's into committing a crime.
There are special limitations on college campuses. Protesters aren't allowed to take over buildings or occupy spaces that causes a hindrance to other students' ability to attend classes, or feel safe on campus.

But you fail to understand what the limits are.

I can help:

In Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), the Supreme Court established the "imminent lawless action" test, limiting government restrictions on speech to cases where it is both directed at inciting imminent violence and likely to produce such action.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• The Case:
  Clarence Brandenburg, a Ku Klux Klan leader, was convicted under an Ohio law that prohibited advocating for violence or crime.
  
  
• The Ohio Law:
  The law, known as the Criminal Syndicalism Act, made it a crime to advocate for violence or crime as a means of political reform.
  
  
• The Supreme Court Ruling:
  The Supreme Court overturned Brandenburg's conviction, finding that the Ohio law violated his First Amendment right to free speech.
  • The speech must be "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action".
  • Google.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Big fan of VDH

 

[Carl in Michigan]

"I also understand what freedom of speech means."

Does it depond on what you are saying?

Just checking.

You CANNOT support terrorism. You cannot oppress another group or individual.
And no, he doesn't have the rights of a citizen. Terrorist advocates will never become citizens of this country under Trump

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Pop Quiz: is freedom to speak only for citizens?

He's being removed for his ACTIONS

 

[mudwhistle]

But you fail to understand what the limits are.

I can help:

In Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), the Supreme Court established the "imminent lawless action" test, limiting government restrictions on speech to cases where it is both directed at inciting imminent violence and likely to produce such action.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• The Case:
  Clarence Brandenburg, a Ku Klux Klan leader, was convicted under an Ohio law that prohibited advocating for violence or crime.
  
  
• The Ohio Law:
  The law, known as the Criminal Syndicalism Act, made it a crime to advocate for violence or crime as a means of political reform.
  
  
• The Supreme Court Ruling:
  The Supreme Court overturned Brandenburg's conviction, finding that the Ohio law violated his First Amendment right to free speech.
  • The speech must be "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action".
  • Google.

You fail to understand that this is all moot considering the fact that the state department doesn't have to allow him to stay in the US because he's showing support of terrorist organizations while on green card status.
They simply have decided to revoke his green card and boot him out of the country.

Not to mention the fact that he represents a group that committed acts of vandalism that amounted to a large amount of damage. Damages against a university that amounted in the millions of dollars.
He's lucky they didn't charge him like the Jan 6th protesters.