Remember that great health plan Trump bragged about

[Ben Thomson]

Trump announced with fanfare the health plan he created with just a stroke of his pen. Many intelligent people smiled knowing you can't do it that way but Trump claimed he did and his cult gloated about it. Well it seems it was what smarter people than his cult figured it was..all smoke...'60 Minutes' Reveals What Was Really In That Giant Trump Health Care Plan Book

 

[PK1]

The Trump Party can’t even put out a detailed 2020 platform at their RNC.
Trump DOES NOT READ, according to many of his staff. The expert briefs on various issues are ignored in staff meetings. Trump prefers to talk and talk and talk like he does on Twitter and in his idiotic rallies, and can he talk ... BULL CRAP.

Why can’t the Trumpsters simply put out a cohesive detailed SUMMARY of their health plan that confirms pre-existing conditions are covered?

 

[DGS49]

Is ANYBODY ready for a reality check?

Ever wonder why the Republicans in Congress have not been able to produce the healthcare (health insurance) plan that Trump has been promising?

It can't be done, Constitutionally. The vulnerability of ACA in this Supreme Court hearing is serious. They will not likely overturn the law for two reasons: (1) they passed on it recently and don't want to look like fools, and (2) there is an unspoken Supreme Court principle...call it "inertia." They won't pull the rug out if people have come to rely on the state of the law for a "long time."

But Congress has no power to make these demands on health insurance carriers. The whole thing is teetering on the flimsy branch that is Congress' power to REGULATE INTERSTATE COMMERCE! That's it. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that gives Congress any power to impact health insurance in any way, except possibly to facilitate interstate competition among insurers, which would be a new thing.

So the Republicans in Congress, who claim to honor the Constitution, have been asked by the President to craft a "replacement" for the Affordable Care Act that continues to protect the poor bastards with expensive pre-existing conditions, but Congress has NO POWER to do that.

Ironically, the BENEFIT of the Supreme Court striking down the law would be getting the USSC's guidance on how it might be modified to be Constitutional, which would force Congress to act - maybe even in a bi-partisan way. But the current challenge is watery broth indeed, and most legal analysts expect the challenge to be rejected by a 9-0 vote.

So we are stuck with ACA, as is, for the foreseeable future...unless the Supreme Court grows a set of balls and tosses it out, as it should have done years ago. Not likely.

 

[okfine]

Trump announced with fanfare the health plan he created with just a stroke of his pen. Many intelligent people smiled knowing you can't do it that way but Trump claimed he did and his cult gloated about it. Well it seems it was what smarter people than his cult figured it was..all smoke...'60 Minutes' Reveals What Was Really In That Giant Trump Health Care Plan Book

Obama said it all today. The GOP and Trump tell people often (and for 10 years) it's coming in two weeks. You know, the great healthcare plan answer.

 

[harmonica]

60 Minutes----HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH--right there you know it's bullshit

 

[PK1]

60 Minutes----HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH--right there you know it's bullshit

No, 60 Minutes is an award-winning program that takes FACTS seriously, and criticized BOTH Biden AND Trump for making false comments.
From the get-go, they warned Trump that they verify ALL statements.
.

 

[harmonica]

60 Minutes----HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH--right there you know it's bullshit

No, 60 Minutes is an award-winning program that takes FACTS seriously, and criticized BOTH Biden AND Trump for making false comments.
From the get-go, they warned Trump that they verify ALL statements.
.

..those awards are opinion based only
..my god, people still listen to the MSM/etc!!!!!?????

 

[22lcidw]

Trump announced with fanfare the health plan he created with just a stroke of his pen. Many intelligent people smiled knowing you can't do it that way but Trump claimed he did and his cult gloated about it. Well it seems it was what smarter people than his cult figured it was..all smoke...'60 Minutes' Reveals What Was Really In That Giant Trump Health Care Plan Book

Obama said it all today. The GOP and Trump tell people often (and for 10 years) it's coming in two weeks. You know, the great healthcare plan answer.

Whether it is right or wrong...People believe they are owed. Well someone pays the price somewhere. We live off of cheap labor overseas and not one Prog who cares says a word about it. The rioters live several times better then the sweat shop Chinese who want to be middle class so bad. And they will. At our expense.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Is ANYBODY ready for a reality check?

Ever wonder why the Republicans in Congress have not been able to produce the healthcare (health insurance) plan that Trump has been promising?

It can't be done, Constitutionally. The vulnerability of ACA in this Supreme Court hearing is serious. They will not likely overturn the law for two reasons: (1) they passed on it recently and don't want to look like fools, and (2) there is an unspoken Supreme Court principle...call it "inertia." They won't pull the rug out if people have come to rely on the state of the law for a "long time."

But Congress has no power to make these demands on health insurance carriers. The whole thing is teetering on the flimsy branch that is Congress' power to REGULATE INTERSTATE COMMERCE! That's it. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that gives Congress any power to impact health insurance in any way, except possibly to facilitate interstate competition among insurers, which would be a new thing.

So the Republicans in Congress, who claim to honor the Constitution, have been asked by the President to craft a "replacement" for the Affordable Care Act that continues to protect the poor bastards with expensive pre-existing conditions, but Congress has NO POWER to do that.

Ironically, the BENEFIT of the Supreme Court striking down the law would be getting the USSC's guidance on how it might be modified to be Constitutional, which would force Congress to act - maybe even in a bi-partisan way. But the current challenge is watery broth indeed, and most legal analysts expect the challenge to be rejected by a 9-0 vote.

So we are stuck with ACA, as is, for the foreseeable future...unless the Supreme Court grows a set of balls and tosses it out, as it should have done years ago. Not likely.

Fair enough. Trump and Republicans can ...

A) admit they have no (Constitutional) plan ... or

B) say openly that they believe the Constitution allows for “regulating interstate commerce” in medical services and medical insurance as most Democrats argue, selecting SC justices who agree with this view ... or

C) call for amending the Constitution to make explicit Congressional authority to pass legislation to “promote the general Welfare” of the population.

In truth, the U.S. population’s “general welfare” is being held hostage, endangered by Conservatives’ “Originalist” interpretations of the Constitution. Trump is hoisted on the Republican’s petard here, and so he must lie to the American people about having a plan.

 

[DGS49]

Tom, sadly, your remarks on the "general welfare" wording reveal that you "don't know shit" about the Constitution. If the "general welfare" wording meant what you think it means, then NO LAW could ever be deemed unconstitutional, and the states could simply close down their state legislatures and go home. Indeed, it would nullify the entire concept of the United States.

What if COngress thought that real estate transfer law should be uniform around the United States, and that would promote the "general welfare." On what basis could anyone challenge it? Congress wasn't being sincere? It was stupid? How could it ever fail to be "constitutional"?

And unfortunately, the days of Constitutional Amendments are over. 2/3 of both houses and 3/4 of the state legislatures? Ain't happening. The only amendment we will see in the future are for stupid shit that becomes politically popular, like giving 12-year-olds the right to vote. Authorizing socialized medicine will NEVER fly.

 

[whitehall]

Remember the mess of a medical bill that the Obama staff created? It was longer than a Stephen King novel and had more twists and turns in the plot. Republicans were literally shut out of the process and when somebody asked Pelosi what was in the gigantic bill she answered "you will find out after it's passed".

 

[PK1]

Remember the mess of a medical bill that the Obama staff created? It was longer than a Stephen King novel and had more twists and turns in the plot. Republicans were literally shut out of the process and when somebody asked Pelosi what was in the gigantic bill she answered "you will find out after it's passed".

Pelosi knew the Republicans had no interest in a comprehensive health plan, and only were motivated to derail any plan by Democrats. No plan under Bush for 8 years.
Of course, any NEW national plan has lots of detail and “version 1” (yes, tons of software was involved!) had bugs, as was expected. It got a lot better with maturity.
.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Tom, sadly, your remarks on the "general welfare" wording reveal that you "don't know shit" about the Constitution. If the "general welfare" wording meant what you think it means, then NO LAW could ever be deemed unconstitutional, and the states could simply close down their state legislatures and go home. Indeed, it would nullify the entire concept of the United States.

What if COngress thought that real estate transfer law should be uniform around the United States, and that would promote the "general welfare." On what basis could anyone challenge it? Congress wasn't being sincere? It was stupid? How could it ever fail to be "constitutional"?

And unfortunately, the days of Constitutional Amendments are over. 2/3 of both houses and 3/4 of the state legislatures? Ain't happening. The only amendment we will see in the future are for stupid shit that becomes politically popular, like giving 12-year-olds the right to vote. Authorizing socialized medicine will NEVER fly.

I don’t think I said anything about what I personally think the Preamble to the Constitution’s present reference to “promot[ing] the general Welfare” meant, means, or should be interpreted to mean, so I don’t think on that basis it is fair to criticize me.

I do believe it will continue to prove necessary to update the old Constitution by carefully thought out amendments, for example one making explicit Congressional authority to pass legislation to “promote the general Welfare” of the population. You are welcome to think such an amendment would mean the end of the world as we know it. I think in any case it is more realistic and more necessary than passing one allowing for 12-year-olds to vote, or expecting states to dissolve themselves.

Twelve year old voting aside, there is plenty of ambiguity left in the Constitution that could allow for radical “creative” re-interpretations, though perhaps not by corporate “Originalists” who want government to remain ineffective. There is also a real possibility our system will so deadlock itself amid profound social crisis that we will finally reach the point where our Constitution will become a dead letter, like so many others have around the world. History will go on in either case. I certainly don’t think the days of Constitutional Amendments are over, as you seem to. They simply aren’t on the immediate horizon.

I won’t speak of “socialized medicine” here. But if even regulation of private health plans is ruled “unconstitutional,” if our Constitution really will prevent Trump from providing any national plan for health, and make him lie about even having one ... well, then I think everybody can see there is a problem.

 

[Ben Thomson]

1.

Remember the mess of a medical bill that the Obama staff created? It was longer than a Stephen King novel and had more twists and turns in the plot. Republicans were literally shut out of the process and when somebody asked Pelosi what was in the gigantic bill she answered "you will find out after it's passed".

1..Republicans were not shut out of the process, they merely refused to take part in any committee hearings...2. She was asked about how specific details would affect certain people..her answer..you will have wait until it's passed and put into affect..which made sense.