Zone1 Religious or not, Abortion is wrong because life starts at conception

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No need, don't be modest, you nailed that slippery slope.

In ancient Rome, infant exposure, the practice of abandoning newborns with the intent they not survive, was a widely accepted and often morally justified practice, especially for female infants. While not always resulting in death, exposure was a common method of limiting family size and, in some cases, fueled the supply of free labor. A very practical solution in some situations but it, thankfully, went out of favor and didn't lead to other rationalizations.

I never even scratched the surface of the slippery slope and you are so far away from it that it looks like a dot to you. Today we can play designer baby where we know in advance their traits and the less desirable ones can be snuffed out like the unwanted chattel that they are. Or we could go to forced abortions which has already been done in China.

All good with you. Their just tissue. Like snot you blow out your nose. No big deal. Don't give them a second thought. And whatever you do, don't let them ruin your life.

 

[alang1216]

I never even scratched the surface of the slippery slope and you are so far away from it that it looks like a dot to you. Today we can play designer baby where we know in advance their traits and the less desirable ones can be snuffed out like the unwanted chattel that they are. Or we could go to forced abortions which has already been done in China.

Or we could offer their mother free medical care, free day care, and abundant time off while the kids are young. I'm in favor of supporting mothers. I'm not in favor of coercing them.

All good with you. Their just tissue. Like snot you blow out your nose. No big deal. Don't give them a second thought. And whatever you do, don't let them ruin your life.

A fertilized egg is human tissue that, given the right circumstances and environment, might develop from the tissue stage to the person stage. Until it develops into a person, it is no different from any other cell.

 

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Or we could offer their mother free medical care, free day care, and abundant time off while the kids are young. I'm in favor of supporting mothers. I'm not in favor of coercing them.

Who is stopping you from doing that?

 

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A fertilized egg is human tissue that, given the right circumstances and environment, might develop from the tissue stage to the person stage. Until it develops into a person, it is no different from any other cell.

No. A fertilized egg is a human being with human tissue. A fertilized egg is not a potential human being. A fertilized egg is a human being with potential.

It is literally a person with all of the appropriate characteristics a person has for each specific phase of the human life cycle which begins at conception and ends at death. Learn some science.

 

[alang1216]

Who is stopping you from doing that?

GOP

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Leftist like Breeze won't take responsibilities for their actions. To them, it's always "The Devil made them do it."

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Left cultists will reach to any lengths to make it not their fault.

We know what the devil will do to them, and he's not going to care that it wasn't their fault. He will smile.


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[alang1216]

No. A fertilized egg is a human being with human tissue. A fertilized egg is not a potential human being. A fertilized egg is a human being with potential.

So, since a fertilized egg is essentially a set of DNA, it is DNA that determines if we are human beings. What is the value of that DNA? How does that value compare to other values, e.g., the life of another human?

It is literally a person with all of the appropriate characteristics a person has for each specific phase of the human life cycle which begins at conception and ends at death. Learn some science.

Stop hiding behind science and start thinking about people.

 

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GOP

Incorrect. The correct answer is no one except you is stopping you from being charitable.

 

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So, since a fertilized egg is essentially a set of DNA, it is DNA that determines if we are human beings. What is the value of that DNA? How does that value compare to other values, e.g., the life of another human?


Stop hiding behind science and start thinking about people.

The species of the father and mother determines the species of the offspring. The DNA provides the instructions and can be used as evidence to identify specific individual of the species. But you already knew that.

I am thinking about people; all of them.

 

[alang1216]

Incorrect. The correct answer is no one except you is stopping you from being charitable.

Even my billions only go so far. That $6 trillion the GOP is cutting could go a long way.

 

[alang1216]

The species of the father and mother determines the species of the offspring. The DNA provides the instructions and can be used as evidence to identify specific individual of the species. But you already knew that.

I am thinking about people; all of them.

Sounds to me like you value human beings the same as every other living thing with DNA. I think humans are special and it has nothing to do with their DNA but everything to do with their minds.

 

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Even my billions only go so far. That $6 trillion the GOP is cutting could go a long way.

My point stands. You've done nothing to help the less fortunate other than to argue others should do what you have failed to do. But you are a great humanitarian because your heart is in the right place, right?

 

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Sounds to me like you value human beings the same as every other living thing with DNA. I think humans are special and it has nothing to do with their DNA but everything to do with their minds.

How so? What makes you believe I value human beings the same as every other thing with DNA?

You believe humans are special? Sounds like the premise in Genesis to me. Maybe what you meant to say is that humans are different. But even that isn't really true.

Did you know that... The human brain begins to form during the third gestational week, with the differentiation of neural progenitor cells. This process continues throughout fetal development, with distinct regions like the hindbrain, midbrain, and forebrain taking shape by the third to fourth week. The neural tube, which forms the foundation of the brain and spinal cord, closes around the sixth or seventh week, marking a key step in brain development.

 

[alang1216]

My point stands. You've done nothing to help the less fortunate other than to argue others should do what you have failed to do. But you are a great humanitarian because your heart is in the right place, right?

You mean you don't know what I've done to help the less fortunate. In other words, you are both ignorant and arrogant.

 

[alang1216]

How so? What makes you believe I value human beings the same as every other thing with DNA?

You believe humans are special? Sounds like the premise in Genesis to me. Maybe what you meant to say is that humans are different. But even that isn't really true.

If a human being can be equal to a set of DNA, we are no different than any other living thing. To me that DNA is not a person, a person has a functioning brain, a brain like no other in the world.

 

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You mean you don't know what I've done to help the less fortunate. In other words, you are both ignorant and arrogant.

I can only go by what you said when I asked you who was stopping you. To your point that I am ignorant and arrogant... sometimes but not this time.

 

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If a human being can be equal to a set of DNA, we are no different than any other living thing. To me that DNA is not a person, a person has a functioning brain, a brain like no other in the world.

Who said a human can be equal to a set of DNA? Clearly the DNA of species says there are differences, right? I agree that DNA is not a person. I never said it was. I said DNA are the instructions that control how all life develops. Every being is genetically distinct and that distinctness is codified by their DNA.

So to you people can only be human if they have a functioning brain? What level of functioning does that need to be? Are special ed types subhuman because their brains don't function to your standard? How about people in comas? Can we kill them too because their brains aren't functioning properly?

It would be much easier for you to say life in the womb is property to be disposed of at the will of its owner. Or that abortion is wrong but you support it anyway. Or you could just keep being dishonest so you can rationalize a wrong as a right.

 

[alang1216]

I agree that DNA is not a person. I never said it was. I said DNA are the instructions that control how all life develops. Every being is genetically distinct and that distinctness is codified by their DNA.

I agree. I equate DNA to a blueprint for a house. Destroying a blueprint is not the same as tearing down a house.

So to you people can only be human if they have a functioning brain? What level of functioning does that need to be? Are special ed types subhuman because their brains don't function to your standard? How about people in comas? Can we kill them too because their brains aren't functioning properly?

We take people off life support who have had a head trauma and are declared brain dead. Is that OK with you?

It would be much easier for you to say life in the womb is property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.

I don't believe it is, once the fetus develops beyond a certain point. I certainly don't support an abortion in the 9th month unless the death of the mother and/or baby are at issue.

Or that abortion is wrong but you support it anyway.

Abortion is not a desirable option but it may be not be the worst option.

Or you could just keep being dishonest so you can rationalize a wrong as a right.

Life is rarely so black and white.

 

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I agree. I equate DNA to a blueprint for a house. Destroying a blueprint is not the same as tearing down a house.

Abortion literally ends a human life, not a potential human life; a real, living human being. How can you not know this?

 

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We take people off life support who have had a head trauma and are declared brain dead. Is that OK with you?

Given that I believe abortion should be a Class "C" misdemeanor with no jail time, what do you think?