Zone1 Religion of climatology and creating a god for themselves

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Meet Noah Herrari. He is the new high priest of the global elitists.

And guess what, they don't believe in a God but are trying to create one, thus proving our need for one.

Harari’s motives remain mysterious; but his descriptions of biology (and predictions about the future) are guided by an ideology prevalent among Silicon Valley technologists like Larry Page, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and others. They may have differing opinions on whether the algorithms will save or destroy us. But they believe, all the same, in the transcendent power of digital computation. “We’re headed toward a situation where A.I. is vastly smarter than humans and I think that time frame is less than five years from now,” Musk said in a 2020 New York Times interview. Musk is wrong. The algorithms will not take all our jobs, or rule the world, or put an end to humanity anytime soon (if at all). As A.I. specialist François Chollet says about the possibility of algorithms attaining cognitive autonomy, “Today and for the foreseeable future, this is stuff of science fiction.” By echoing the narratives of Silicon Valley, science populist Harari is promoting—yet again—a false crisis. Worse, he is diverting our attention from the real harms of algorithms and the unchecked power of the tech industry.

In the last chapter of Homo Deus, Harari tells us of a new religion, “The Data Religion.” The practitioners of this religion—”Dataists,” he calls them—perceive the entire universe as flows of data. They see all organisms as biochemical data processors, and believe that humanity’s “cosmic vocation” is to create an all-knowing, all-powerful data processor that will understand us better than we can understand ourselves. The logical conclusion to this saga, Harari predicts, is that the algorithms will assume authority over all facets of our lives—they will decide who we marry, what careers we pursue, and how we will be governed. (Silicon Valley, as you can guess, is a hub of The Data Religion.)

Homo sapiens is an obsolete algorithm,” Harari states, paraphrasing the Dataists.

“After all, what’s the advantage of humans over chickens? Only that in humans information flows in much more complex patterns than in chickens. Humans absorb more data, and process it using better algorithms. Well then, if we could create a data-processing system that absorbs even more data than a human being, and that processes it even more efficiently, wouldn’t that system be superior to a human in exactly the same way that a human is superior to a chicken?”
But a human is not a spruced-up chicken, or even necessarily superior in all ways to a chicken. In fact, chickens can “absorb more data” than humans, and “process it better”—at least in the domain of vision. The human retina has photoreceptor cells sensitive to red, blue, and green wavelengths. Chicken retinas have these, plus cone cells for violet wavelengths (including some ultraviolet), plus specialized receptors that can help them track motion better. Their brains are equipped to process all this additional information. The chicken’s world is a technicolor extravaganza that we can’t even fathom. My point here is not that a chicken is better than a human—this is not a competition—but that chickens are uniquely “chicken” in the same way that we are uniquely “human.”

Neither chickens nor humans are mere algorithms. Our brains have a body, and that body is situated in a world. Our behaviors emerge because of our worldly and bodily activities. Living beings are not just absorbing and processing the data flows of our environment; we are continuously altering and creating our own—and each other’s—environments, a process called “niche construction” in evolutionary biology. When a beaver builds a dam over a stream, it creates a lake, and all the other organisms now have to live in a world with a lake in it. Beavers can create wetlands that persist for centuries, changing the selection pressures their descendants are exposed to, potentially causing a shift in the evolutionary process. Homo sapiens have unrivaled flexibility; we have extraordinary ability to adapt to our environments, and also modify them. Our acts of living don’t just differentiate us from algorithms; they make it near impossible for the algorithms to accurately predict our social behaviors, such as who we will love, how well we will do at future jobs,3 or whether we are likely to commit a crime.
 
At our core, we know that man consistently fails, but why?

Man is not all knowing and lacks wisdom.

So their fix is to create a being that is more knowledgeable than himself. Naturally, AI is not all knowing and never will be, as it continues to learns as we all do, there is no end to that. So the thinking is that this is an improvement over man's limited knowledge. However, the 600 lbs gorilla in the room is, what about wisdom?

What will a god like AI creature react to information about human beings, such as human beings destroying the earth causing climate change? Would AI naturally take measures to neutralize humanity in order to save itself and the earth?

It is akin to the creator of the first nuclear weapons, J. Robert Oppenheimer. Once his knowledge led to a weapon of mass destruction, he have us his most famous quote, "I have become death"

All knowledge, no wisdom.

This is our future as it will be given over thinking entities without any empathy for human beings

It will kind of like having sociopaths in government rule over us, only, they are really smart and not dumb as rocks as they seem to be today.

Really the story in the Garden of Eden was right all along. Adam and Eve partook of the tree of knowledge, but rejected the wisdom of God who said not to take it for yourself apart from him. The result? Yep, they died.

Most don't get the story at all.

 
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As near as I can tell, the religion has certain tenants.

1. Population control, to help reduce carbon emissions and overall preservation of finite natural resources.

This comes in a myriad of Left wing policies around the world, such as China's one child policy that was in place for a long time. Other policies, promotion of abortion around the world, as well as gender confusion and the gay lifestyle. Then you have increasing crime in cities where the police are demonized and defunded, as more and more people kill each other with impunity, etc.

2. The need for a world government, that is unchallenged. That is the religion of climate cultists because, for their climate agendas to work, all countries must participate. There is no room for dissent, thus world conquest is necessary if we are going to save the planet

Wink, wink.

And as a result, such an ideology naturally gravitates towards Marxism because anyone who attempts it must have control over all aspects of society, as government monitors and regulates and redistributes every single financial transaction, along with regulating behaviors to know who to cancel in society that may threaten their climate agenda, thus potentially destroy the earth by opposing any of their policies they deem necessary for saving the Earth.

3. Destroy Capitalism. This is easy to understand, capitalism brings economic wealth, and economic wealth increases carbon emissions

It really is just that simple. A free economy, of any kind, must be destroyed.
 

Meet Noah Herrari. He is the new high priest of the global elitists.

And guess what, they don't believe in a God but are trying to create one, thus proving our need for one.

Harari’s motives remain mysterious; but his descriptions of biology (and predictions about the future) are guided by an ideology prevalent among Silicon Valley technologists like Larry Page, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and others. They may have differing opinions on whether the algorithms will save or destroy us. But they believe, all the same, in the transcendent power of digital computation. “We’re headed toward a situation where A.I. is vastly smarter than humans and I think that time frame is less than five years from now,” Musk said in a 2020 New York Times interview. Musk is wrong. The algorithms will not take all our jobs, or rule the world, or put an end to humanity anytime soon (if at all). As A.I. specialist François Chollet says about the possibility of algorithms attaining cognitive autonomy, “Today and for the foreseeable future, this is stuff of science fiction.” By echoing the narratives of Silicon Valley, science populist Harari is promoting—yet again—a false crisis. Worse, he is diverting our attention from the real harms of algorithms and the unchecked power of the tech industry.

In the last chapter of Homo Deus, Harari tells us of a new religion, “The Data Religion.” The practitioners of this religion—”Dataists,” he calls them—perceive the entire universe as flows of data. They see all organisms as biochemical data processors, and believe that humanity’s “cosmic vocation” is to create an all-knowing, all-powerful data processor that will understand us better than we can understand ourselves. The logical conclusion to this saga, Harari predicts, is that the algorithms will assume authority over all facets of our lives—they will decide who we marry, what careers we pursue, and how we will be governed. (Silicon Valley, as you can guess, is a hub of The Data Religion.)

Homo sapiens is an obsolete algorithm,” Harari states, paraphrasing the Dataists.


But a human is not a spruced-up chicken, or even necessarily superior in all ways to a chicken. In fact, chickens can “absorb more data” than humans, and “process it better”—at least in the domain of vision. The human retina has photoreceptor cells sensitive to red, blue, and green wavelengths. Chicken retinas have these, plus cone cells for violet wavelengths (including some ultraviolet), plus specialized receptors that can help them track motion better. Their brains are equipped to process all this additional information. The chicken’s world is a technicolor extravaganza that we can’t even fathom. My point here is not that a chicken is better than a human—this is not a competition—but that chickens are uniquely “chicken” in the same way that we are uniquely “human.”

Neither chickens nor humans are mere algorithms. Our brains have a body, and that body is situated in a world. Our behaviors emerge because of our worldly and bodily activities. Living beings are not just absorbing and processing the data flows of our environment; we are continuously altering and creating our own—and each other’s—environments, a process called “niche construction” in evolutionary biology. When a beaver builds a dam over a stream, it creates a lake, and all the other organisms now have to live in a world with a lake in it. Beavers can create wetlands that persist for centuries, changing the selection pressures their descendants are exposed to, potentially causing a shift in the evolutionary process. Homo sapiens have unrivaled flexibility; we have extraordinary ability to adapt to our environments, and also modify them. Our acts of living don’t just differentiate us from algorithms; they make it near impossible for the algorithms to accurately predict our social behaviors, such as who we will love, how well we will do at future jobs,3 or whether we are likely to commit a crime.
Where do you come up with these inane comparisons.
 
Where do you come up with these inane comparisons.
Inane?

How so?

Use your words.

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Meet Noah Herrari. He is the new high priest of the global elitists.

And guess what, they don't believe in a God but are trying to create one, thus proving our need for one.

Harari’s motives remain mysterious; but his descriptions of biology (and predictions about the future) are guided by an ideology prevalent among Silicon Valley technologists like Larry Page, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and others. They may have differing opinions on whether the algorithms will save or destroy us. But they believe, all the same, in the transcendent power of digital computation. “We’re headed toward a situation where A.I. is vastly smarter than humans and I think that time frame is less than five years from now,” Musk said in a 2020 New York Times interview. Musk is wrong. The algorithms will not take all our jobs, or rule the world, or put an end to humanity anytime soon (if at all). As A.I. specialist François Chollet says about the possibility of algorithms attaining cognitive autonomy, “Today and for the foreseeable future, this is stuff of science fiction.” By echoing the narratives of Silicon Valley, science populist Harari is promoting—yet again—a false crisis. Worse, he is diverting our attention from the real harms of algorithms and the unchecked power of the tech industry.

In the last chapter of Homo Deus, Harari tells us of a new religion, “The Data Religion.” The practitioners of this religion—”Dataists,” he calls them—perceive the entire universe as flows of data. They see all organisms as biochemical data processors, and believe that humanity’s “cosmic vocation” is to create an all-knowing, all-powerful data processor that will understand us better than we can understand ourselves. The logical conclusion to this saga, Harari predicts, is that the algorithms will assume authority over all facets of our lives—they will decide who we marry, what careers we pursue, and how we will be governed. (Silicon Valley, as you can guess, is a hub of The Data Religion.)

Homo sapiens is an obsolete algorithm,” Harari states, paraphrasing the Dataists.


But a human is not a spruced-up chicken, or even necessarily superior in all ways to a chicken. In fact, chickens can “absorb more data” than humans, and “process it better”—at least in the domain of vision. The human retina has photoreceptor cells sensitive to red, blue, and green wavelengths. Chicken retinas have these, plus cone cells for violet wavelengths (including some ultraviolet), plus specialized receptors that can help them track motion better. Their brains are equipped to process all this additional information. The chicken’s world is a technicolor extravaganza that we can’t even fathom. My point here is not that a chicken is better than a human—this is not a competition—but that chickens are uniquely “chicken” in the same way that we are uniquely “human.”

Neither chickens nor humans are mere algorithms. Our brains have a body, and that body is situated in a world. Our behaviors emerge because of our worldly and bodily activities. Living beings are not just absorbing and processing the data flows of our environment; we are continuously altering and creating our own—and each other’s—environments, a process called “niche construction” in evolutionary biology. When a beaver builds a dam over a stream, it creates a lake, and all the other organisms now have to live in a world with a lake in it. Beavers can create wetlands that persist for centuries, changing the selection pressures their descendants are exposed to, potentially causing a shift in the evolutionary process. Homo sapiens have unrivaled flexibility; we have extraordinary ability to adapt to our environments, and also modify them. Our acts of living don’t just differentiate us from algorithms; they make it near impossible for the algorithms to accurately predict our social behaviors, such as who we will love, how well we will do at future jobs,3 or whether we are likely to commit a crime.

Calling climatology a religion is pretty stupid.
 
Calling climatology a religion is pretty stupid.
Why is that stupid?

Does a religion require believing in a God?

Here is the definition of religion

Definition of religion


1: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
2a(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2b: the state of a religiousa nun in her 20th year of religion
3: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
4archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS

They have their savior, which is the state to save us from carbon emissions, and the devil who are those trying to stop them from saving us.

Their doomsday scenario for not repenting is broadcast in the media 24/7.

And as I have pointed out, they are trying to create a god through AI.
 
Why is that stupid?

Does a religion require believing in a God?

Here is the definition of religion

Definition of religion


1: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
2a(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2b: the state of a religiousa nun in her 20th year of religion
3: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
4archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS

They have their savior, which is the state to save us from carbon emissions, and the devil who are those trying to stop them from saving us.

Their doomsday scenario for not repenting is broadcast in the media 24/7.

And as I have pointed out, they are trying to create a god through AI.

You make a lot of this kind of stupid thread. Makes you look like a twit.
 
Calling climatology a religion is pretty stupid.
He didnt call climatology a religion. The AGW beliefs the freakazoid left has put into it is a religion. And that is what he was talking about.
First you freaks call it AGW. Then global warming. When both of those failed, you took over a legitimate evolution our planet has been going through for billions of years. So you can shut down people and say people deny the climate changes. :lol:
Its a religion.
 
Serato said all that needs to be said on this subject in Post number 6
The only thing that has been said is that this thread is stupid.

Again, use your words

Then again, I'm not sure you can do it at this point.

What I miss is the freedom to discuss the issue as candidly as you would like,

This clip is an example of the good old days, but today, he would be branded a heretic and canceled by the climatoligist inquisitions.

 
He didnt call climatology a religion. The AGW beliefs the freakazoid left has put into it is a religion. And that is what he was talking about.
First you freaks call it AGW. Then global warming. When both of those failed, you took over a legitimate evolution our planet has been going through for billions of years. So you can shut down people and say people deny the climate changes. :lol:
Its a religion.
Climatology-Scientific study of Earth's weather systems for a period of at least 30 years. Religion-The belief in the supernatural being, especially the belief in a God or gods. Never the twain shall meet.
 
Climatology-Scientific study of Earth's weather systems for a period of at least 30 years. Religion-The belief in the supernatural being, especially the belief in a God or gods. Never the twain shall meet.
You realize many words have multiple meanings, right? Good grief :rolleyes:
 
You realize many words have multiple meanings, right? Good grief :rolleyes:
You realize the far right idiot that started this thread saying people on the left were freakazoids was only talking about himself.
 
You realize the far right idiot that started this thread saying people on the left were freakazoids was only talking about himself.
I called them freakazoids and im not the OP.
You are just confused about everything, ey?
 

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