Religion and Ethics - The topic of this USMB Discussion is an "oxymoron"

[RWS]

I am untethered from all of that bullshit. And I stand outside the box, and see you all still hating each other, because you don't believe in the same fallacy.

The whole world wants to kill anyone who doesn't believe the same thing they do.....

Hawking is right, We'll never exist another 100 years like this... All that is required is a trigger, and then all hell will break loose. And that trigger and response will be due to a religion.

 

[Boss]

Religions are the manifestation of our spiritual connection. Yes, there have been people who exploited them for power or nefarious reasons. Yes, terrible things have been done in the name of religion. Those are valid points but you must also consider the good and you're failing to do so.

Good things can be done without religion. "Good things" have always been done due to good human nature. Religion did not give them that "good human nature". And I'm sick and tired of you peeps that think that no good can be done without religion.... That's ridiculous. Religions take that goodness, and ask you to do the opposite.

That's the part you're having problems with. You can have "good" without religion.

People who do good things for others, should not be doing it because of their religion, but only because it is right.

You seem to think that it requires a religion to understand what is good and bad. And you're wrong. Very wrong.

Which is why religious followers are vulnerable to the dark side. They just need a ruler influential enough to make you do "bad things" again, in the name of "god".

Because, if you are a true believer, your morality is already corrupted, and you may be willing to follow those "old ways" again, and kill everyone who thinks differently. When commanded by god's chosen person....

That's what it means. You're an army in waiting.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done. We can then compare that with all that religion affiliated groups have done. Until you can provide some evidence you're just stating your opinion.

Now, it's really hard to prove we would know good from bad if we didn't have spirituality because we have always had spiritual connection. But it's interesting to note our hominid cousins, the Neanderthals, we're unsuccessful at developing civilization and with the exception of a few European tribes in their final throes, absolutely devoid of spirituality. That's not a coincidence.

 

[Boss]

Religions are the manifestation of our spiritual connection. Yes, there have been people who exploited them for power or nefarious reasons. Yes, terrible things have been done in the name of religion. Those are valid points but you must also consider the good and you're failing to do so.

Good things can be done without religion. "Good things" have always been done due to good human nature. Religion did not give them that "good human nature". And I'm sick and tired of you peeps that think that no good can be done without religion.... That's ridiculous. Religions take that goodness, and ask you to do the opposite.

That's the part you're having problems with. You can have "good" without religion.

People who do good things for others, should not be doing it because of their religion, but only because it is right.

You seem to think that it requires a religion to understand what is good and bad. And you're wrong. Very wrong.

Which is why religious followers are vulnerable to the dark side. They just need a ruler influential enough to make you do "bad things" again, in the name of "god".

Because, if you are a true believer, your morality is already corrupted, and you may be willing to follow those "old ways" again, and kill everyone who thinks differently. When commanded by god's chosen person....

That's what it means. You're an army in waiting.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done. We can then compare that with all that religion affiliated groups have done. Until you can provide some evidence you're just stating your opinion.

Now, it's really hard to prove we would know good from bad if we didn't have spirituality because we have always had spiritual connection. But it's interesting to note our hominid cousins, the Neanderthals, we're unsuccessful at developing civilization and with the exception of a few European tribes in their final throes, absolutely devoid of spirituality. That's not a coincidence.

 

[Boss]

I am untethered from all of that bullshit. And I stand outside the box, and see you all still hating each other, because you don't believe in the same fallacy.

The whole world wants to kill anyone who doesn't believe the same thing they do.....

Hawking is right, We'll never exist another 100 years like this... All that is required is a trigger, and then all hell will break loose. And that trigger and response will be due to a religion.

You're a religious bigot based on this OP.

 

[BreezeWood]

Religions are the manifestation of our spiritual connection. Yes, there have been people who exploited them for power or nefarious reasons. Yes, terrible things have been done in the name of religion. Those are valid points but you must also consider the good and you're failing to do so.

Good things can be done without religion. "Good things" have always been done due to good human nature. Religion did not give them that "good human nature". And I'm sick and tired of you peeps that think that no good can be done without religion.... That's ridiculous. Religions take that goodness, and ask you to do the opposite.

That's the part you're having problems with. You can have "good" without religion.

People who do good things for others, should not be doing it because of their religion, but only because it is right.

You seem to think that it requires a religion to understand what is good and bad. And you're wrong. Very wrong.

Which is why religious followers are vulnerable to the dark side. They just need a ruler influential enough to make you do "bad things" again, in the name of "god".

Because, if you are a true believer, your morality is already corrupted, and you may be willing to follow those "old ways" again, and kill everyone who thinks differently. When commanded by god's chosen person....

That's what it means. You're an army in waiting.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done. We can then compare that with all that religion affiliated groups have done. Until you can provide some evidence you're just stating your opinion.

Now, it's really hard to prove we would know good from bad if we didn't have spirituality because we have always had spiritual connection. But it's interesting to note our hominid cousins, the Neanderthals, we're unsuccessful at developing civilization and with the exception of a few European tribes in their final throes, absolutely devoid of spirituality. That's not a coincidence.

.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done.

ever so much of what constitutes the advancement of civilization is secular in nature and has always been so, fought tooth and nail by religious fanatics.

the scripted religions have no unifying theme as they deny the others existence, their conflicts are eternal.

 

[BreezeWood]

I am untethered from all of that bullshit. And I stand outside the box, and see you all still hating each other, because you don't believe in the same fallacy.

The whole world wants to kill anyone who doesn't believe the same thing they do.....

Hawking is right, We'll never exist another 100 years like this... All that is required is a trigger, and then all hell will break loose. And that trigger and response will be due to a religion.

.

I am untethered from all of that bullshit. And I stand outside the box, and see you all still hating each other, because you don't believe in the same fallacy.

there is belief without fallacy a state of purity is achievable and from there anything is possible. even the possibility to advance beyond the confines of our physiological restraints. religion in of itself is not the issue.

 

[Boss]

Religions are the manifestation of our spiritual connection. Yes, there have been people who exploited them for power or nefarious reasons. Yes, terrible things have been done in the name of religion. Those are valid points but you must also consider the good and you're failing to do so.

Good things can be done without religion. "Good things" have always been done due to good human nature. Religion did not give them that "good human nature". And I'm sick and tired of you peeps that think that no good can be done without religion.... That's ridiculous. Religions take that goodness, and ask you to do the opposite.

That's the part you're having problems with. You can have "good" without religion.

People who do good things for others, should not be doing it because of their religion, but only because it is right.

You seem to think that it requires a religion to understand what is good and bad. And you're wrong. Very wrong.

Which is why religious followers are vulnerable to the dark side. They just need a ruler influential enough to make you do "bad things" again, in the name of "god".

Because, if you are a true believer, your morality is already corrupted, and you may be willing to follow those "old ways" again, and kill everyone who thinks differently. When commanded by god's chosen person....

That's what it means. You're an army in waiting.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done. We can then compare that with all that religion affiliated groups have done. Until you can provide some evidence you're just stating your opinion.

Now, it's really hard to prove we would know good from bad if we didn't have spirituality because we have always had spiritual connection. But it's interesting to note our hominid cousins, the Neanderthals, we're unsuccessful at developing civilization and with the exception of a few European tribes in their final throes, absolutely devoid of spirituality. That's not a coincidence.

.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done.

ever so much of what constitutes the advancement of civilization is secular in nature and has always been so, fought tooth and nail by religious fanatics.

the scripted religions have no unifying theme as they deny the others existence, their conflicts are eternal.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

 

[BreezeWood]

Religions are the manifestation of our spiritual connection. Yes, there have been people who exploited them for power or nefarious reasons. Yes, terrible things have been done in the name of religion. Those are valid points but you must also consider the good and you're failing to do so.

Good things can be done without religion. "Good things" have always been done due to good human nature. Religion did not give them that "good human nature". And I'm sick and tired of you peeps that think that no good can be done without religion.... That's ridiculous. Religions take that goodness, and ask you to do the opposite.

That's the part you're having problems with. You can have "good" without religion.

People who do good things for others, should not be doing it because of their religion, but only because it is right.

You seem to think that it requires a religion to understand what is good and bad. And you're wrong. Very wrong.

Which is why religious followers are vulnerable to the dark side. They just need a ruler influential enough to make you do "bad things" again, in the name of "god".

Because, if you are a true believer, your morality is already corrupted, and you may be willing to follow those "old ways" again, and kill everyone who thinks differently. When commanded by god's chosen person....

That's what it means. You're an army in waiting.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done. We can then compare that with all that religion affiliated groups have done. Until you can provide some evidence you're just stating your opinion.

Now, it's really hard to prove we would know good from bad if we didn't have spirituality because we have always had spiritual connection. But it's interesting to note our hominid cousins, the Neanderthals, we're unsuccessful at developing civilization and with the exception of a few European tribes in their final throes, absolutely devoid of spirituality. That's not a coincidence.

.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done.

ever so much of what constitutes the advancement of civilization is secular in nature and has always been so, fought tooth and nail by religious fanatics.

the scripted religions have no unifying theme as they deny the others existence, their conflicts are eternal.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

that is not what you posted ....

Prove that good things can be done without religion!

religion has nothing to do with our gov't in fact and a majority of the others, it's people like you and ISIS that are trying to impose yourselves on others that has always been the bain of the civilized community.

 

[Boss]

Religions are the manifestation of our spiritual connection. Yes, there have been people who exploited them for power or nefarious reasons. Yes, terrible things have been done in the name of religion. Those are valid points but you must also consider the good and you're failing to do so.

Good things can be done without religion. "Good things" have always been done due to good human nature. Religion did not give them that "good human nature". And I'm sick and tired of you peeps that think that no good can be done without religion.... That's ridiculous. Religions take that goodness, and ask you to do the opposite.

That's the part you're having problems with. You can have "good" without religion.

People who do good things for others, should not be doing it because of their religion, but only because it is right.

You seem to think that it requires a religion to understand what is good and bad. And you're wrong. Very wrong.

Which is why religious followers are vulnerable to the dark side. They just need a ruler influential enough to make you do "bad things" again, in the name of "god".

Because, if you are a true believer, your morality is already corrupted, and you may be willing to follow those "old ways" again, and kill everyone who thinks differently. When commanded by god's chosen person....

That's what it means. You're an army in waiting.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done. We can then compare that with all that religion affiliated groups have done. Until you can provide some evidence you're just stating your opinion.

Now, it's really hard to prove we would know good from bad if we didn't have spirituality because we have always had spiritual connection. But it's interesting to note our hominid cousins, the Neanderthals, we're unsuccessful at developing civilization and with the exception of a few European tribes in their final throes, absolutely devoid of spirituality. That's not a coincidence.

.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done.

ever so much of what constitutes the advancement of civilization is secular in nature and has always been so, fought tooth and nail by religious fanatics.

the scripted religions have no unifying theme as they deny the others existence, their conflicts are eternal.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

that is not what you posted ....

Prove that good things can be done without religion!

religion has nothing to do with our gov't in fact and a majority of the others, it's people like you and ISIS that are trying to impose yourselves on others that has always been the bain of the civilized community.

The UN doesn't prove good things can be done without religion because religion still exists. My question was rhetorical. I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone, dipshit. Will you please stop being a dishonest jerk? Why the fuck do you insist on acting this way?

Do either of you believe you're persuading people by being obnoxious little bitter shits?

 

[BreezeWood]

Good things can be done without religion. "Good things" have always been done due to good human nature. Religion did not give them that "good human nature". And I'm sick and tired of you peeps that think that no good can be done without religion.... That's ridiculous. Religions take that goodness, and ask you to do the opposite.

That's the part you're having problems with. You can have "good" without religion.

People who do good things for others, should not be doing it because of their religion, but only because it is right.

You seem to think that it requires a religion to understand what is good and bad. And you're wrong. Very wrong.

Which is why religious followers are vulnerable to the dark side. They just need a ruler influential enough to make you do "bad things" again, in the name of "god".

Because, if you are a true believer, your morality is already corrupted, and you may be willing to follow those "old ways" again, and kill everyone who thinks differently. When commanded by god's chosen person....

That's what it means. You're an army in waiting.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done. We can then compare that with all that religion affiliated groups have done. Until you can provide some evidence you're just stating your opinion.

Now, it's really hard to prove we would know good from bad if we didn't have spirituality because we have always had spiritual connection. But it's interesting to note our hominid cousins, the Neanderthals, we're unsuccessful at developing civilization and with the exception of a few European tribes in their final throes, absolutely devoid of spirituality. That's not a coincidence.

.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done.

ever so much of what constitutes the advancement of civilization is secular in nature and has always been so, fought tooth and nail by religious fanatics.

the scripted religions have no unifying theme as they deny the others existence, their conflicts are eternal.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

that is not what you posted ....

Prove that good things can be done without religion!

religion has nothing to do with our gov't in fact and a majority of the others, it's people like you and ISIS that are trying to impose yourselves on others that has always been the bain of the civilized community.

The UN doesn't prove good things can be done without religion because religion still exists. My question was rhetorical. I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone, dipshit. Will you please stop being a dishonest jerk? Why the fuck do you insist on acting this way?

Do either of you believe you're persuading people by being obnoxious little bitter shits?

.

The UN doesn't prove good things can be done without religion because religion still exists. My question was rhetorical.

there was nothing rhetorical about your post, the fact is good things are done daily without (your) religion where honesty and care prevail over bigotry. the UN is a perfect example of progress through shared objectives the goals of which have nothing to do with scripted religion.

the same for everyday events in nature the criteria is the same, call it whatever you like separate from any madeup psychosis portraying humanity as some sort of singular quality.

 

[RWS]

I am untethered from all of that bullshit. And I stand outside the box, and see you all still hating each other, because you don't believe in the same fallacy.

The whole world wants to kill anyone who doesn't believe the same thing they do.....

Hawking is right, We'll never exist another 100 years like this... All that is required is a trigger, and then all hell will break loose. And that trigger and response will be due to a religion.

.

I am untethered from all of that bullshit. And I stand outside the box, and see you all still hating each other, because you don't believe in the same fallacy.

there is belief without fallacy a state of purity is achievable and from there anything is possible. even the possibility to advance beyond the confines of our physiological restraints. religion in of itself is not the issue.

I understand and agree, but religion is what tells people to kill the others. Institutionalized religions keep us confined to the actions that benefit the rulers. What you speak of is spirituality, and an understanding of life, and how to co-exist and further ourselves. I'm all over that....

 

[RWS]

I am untethered from all of that bullshit. And I stand outside the box, and see you all still hating each other, because you don't believe in the same fallacy.

The whole world wants to kill anyone who doesn't believe the same thing they do.....

Hawking is right, We'll never exist another 100 years like this... All that is required is a trigger, and then all hell will break loose. And that trigger and response will be due to a religion.

.

I am untethered from all of that bullshit. And I stand outside the box, and see you all still hating each other, because you don't believe in the same fallacy.

there is belief without fallacy a state of purity is achievable and from there anything is possible. even the possibility to advance beyond the confines of our physiological restraints. religion in of itself is not the issue.

I understand and agree, but religion is what tells people to kill the others. Institutionalized religions keep us confined to the actions that benefit the rulers. What you speak of is spirituality, and an understanding of life, and how to co-exist and further ourselves. I'm heavily support that....

Edited to ensure that when I said "i'm all over that" meant that I support it, not that "I'm over it"...

But it didn't work as intended.

 

[RWS]

Good things can be done without religion. "Good things" have always been done due to good human nature. Religion did not give them that "good human nature". And I'm sick and tired of you peeps that think that no good can be done without religion.... That's ridiculous. Religions take that goodness, and ask you to do the opposite.

That's the part you're having problems with. You can have "good" without religion.

People who do good things for others, should not be doing it because of their religion, but only because it is right.

You seem to think that it requires a religion to understand what is good and bad. And you're wrong. Very wrong.

Which is why religious followers are vulnerable to the dark side. They just need a ruler influential enough to make you do "bad things" again, in the name of "god".

Because, if you are a true believer, your morality is already corrupted, and you may be willing to follow those "old ways" again, and kill everyone who thinks differently. When commanded by god's chosen person....

That's what it means. You're an army in waiting.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done. We can then compare that with all that religion affiliated groups have done. Until you can provide some evidence you're just stating your opinion.

Now, it's really hard to prove we would know good from bad if we didn't have spirituality because we have always had spiritual connection. But it's interesting to note our hominid cousins, the Neanderthals, we're unsuccessful at developing civilization and with the exception of a few European tribes in their final throes, absolutely devoid of spirituality. That's not a coincidence.

.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done.

ever so much of what constitutes the advancement of civilization is secular in nature and has always been so, fought tooth and nail by religious fanatics.

the scripted religions have no unifying theme as they deny the others existence, their conflicts are eternal.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

that is not what you posted ....

Prove that good things can be done without religion!

religion has nothing to do with our gov't in fact and a majority of the others, it's people like you and ISIS that are trying to impose yourselves on others that has always been the bain of the civilized community.

The UN doesn't prove good things can be done without religion because religion still exists. My question was rhetorical. I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone, dipshit. Will you please stop being a dishonest jerk? Why the fuck do you insist on acting this way?

Do either of you believe you're persuading people by being obnoxious little bitter shits?

Whoa dude, calling us obnoxious little bitter shits? You're getting a bit bitter there yourself bossman for no reason, considering that you're trying to persuade people here to like you. Even though you don't believe in their religion. And just arguing for shits and giggles.... and "like points" and "fantasy sex points". Honestly, that stuff doesn't matter (the forum like/sex points). The truth matters.

Oh, and before that you called me a bigot? Really?? The religions you argue for comprise the biggest bigots ever in the history of humanity! They are the most intolerant people that ever existed!

You gotta be kiddin me....

 

[RWS]

I think you're a little bit over your head here, bossman. But your ego won't allow you to realize that....

Which leads me to ask, why?

 

[RWS]

Oh, and btw... An example of moral behavior that happens every day with no religious intervention...

This Species of Ants Rescues Wounded Warriors on the Battlefield

 

[Boss]

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done. We can then compare that with all that religion affiliated groups have done. Until you can provide some evidence you're just stating your opinion.

Now, it's really hard to prove we would know good from bad if we didn't have spirituality because we have always had spiritual connection. But it's interesting to note our hominid cousins, the Neanderthals, we're unsuccessful at developing civilization and with the exception of a few European tribes in their final throes, absolutely devoid of spirituality. That's not a coincidence.

.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done.

ever so much of what constitutes the advancement of civilization is secular in nature and has always been so, fought tooth and nail by religious fanatics.

the scripted religions have no unifying theme as they deny the others existence, their conflicts are eternal.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

that is not what you posted ....

Prove that good things can be done without religion!

religion has nothing to do with our gov't in fact and a majority of the others, it's people like you and ISIS that are trying to impose yourselves on others that has always been the bain of the civilized community.

The UN doesn't prove good things can be done without religion because religion still exists. My question was rhetorical. I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone, dipshit. Will you please stop being a dishonest jerk? Why the fuck do you insist on acting this way?

Do either of you believe you're persuading people by being obnoxious little bitter shits?

.

The UN doesn't prove good things can be done without religion because religion still exists. My question was rhetorical.

there was nothing rhetorical about your post, the fact is good things are done daily without (your) religion where honesty and care prevail over bigotry. the UN is a perfect example of progress through shared objectives the goals of which have nothing to do with scripted religion.

the same for everyday events in nature the criteria is the same, call it whatever you like separate from any madeup psychosis portraying humanity as some sort of singular quality.

Again, you're missing the point. The U.N. doesn't exist in a universe devoid of religion, therefore, you don't know that they would exist without religion. I personally think, just the basic idea of the U.N. is rooted in human spirituality. So you don't have a point here and you'll never make this point because you reside in a universe where human spirituality exists and always will.

 

[Boss]

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done. We can then compare that with all that religion affiliated groups have done. Until you can provide some evidence you're just stating your opinion.

Now, it's really hard to prove we would know good from bad if we didn't have spirituality because we have always had spiritual connection. But it's interesting to note our hominid cousins, the Neanderthals, we're unsuccessful at developing civilization and with the exception of a few European tribes in their final throes, absolutely devoid of spirituality. That's not a coincidence.

.

Prove that good things can be done without religion! Show the long list of Athiest, agnostic and secular charities and tell us about what they've done.

ever so much of what constitutes the advancement of civilization is secular in nature and has always been so, fought tooth and nail by religious fanatics.

the scripted religions have no unifying theme as they deny the others existence, their conflicts are eternal.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

.

The U.N. isn't a charity organization, try again,

that is not what you posted ....

Prove that good things can be done without religion!

religion has nothing to do with our gov't in fact and a majority of the others, it's people like you and ISIS that are trying to impose yourselves on others that has always been the bain of the civilized community.

The UN doesn't prove good things can be done without religion because religion still exists. My question was rhetorical. I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone, dipshit. Will you please stop being a dishonest jerk? Why the fuck do you insist on acting this way?

Do either of you believe you're persuading people by being obnoxious little bitter shits?

Whoa dude, calling us obnoxious little bitter shits? You're getting a bit bitter there yourself bossman for no reason, considering that you're trying to persuade people here to like you. Even though you don't believe in their religion. And just arguing for shits and giggles.... and "like points" and "fantasy sex points". Honestly, that stuff doesn't matter (the forum like/sex points). The truth matters.

Oh, and before that you called me a bigot? Really?? The religions you argue for comprise the biggest bigots ever in the history of humanity! They are the most intolerant people that ever existed!

You gotta be kiddin me....

You don't have truth on your side. Your entire argument is dishonest. You continue to personally attack me because I've called you out and destroyed your baseless points with common sense and reason. I'm not bitter and I don't care if you like me. I'm not calling you a religious bigot to attack you, I'm stating what your post makes you. If you don't like being a bigot, stop being one.

And I will try once more to convey this to you... all religious people are not the same. In fact, there is virtually no group of individuals you can apply broad generalizations to as you continue to do here. By the way, that is the hallmark attribute of a bigot... That's what bigots do.

 

[Boss]

Oh, and btw... An example of moral behavior that happens every day with no religious intervention...

This Species of Ants Rescues Wounded Warriors on the Battlefield

This isn't done for morality sake.

 

[Boss]

I am untethered from all of that bullshit. And I stand outside the box, and see you all still hating each other, because you don't believe in the same fallacy.

The whole world wants to kill anyone who doesn't believe the same thing they do.....

Hawking is right, We'll never exist another 100 years like this... All that is required is a trigger, and then all hell will break loose. And that trigger and response will be due to a religion.

.

I am untethered from all of that bullshit. And I stand outside the box, and see you all still hating each other, because you don't believe in the same fallacy.

there is belief without fallacy a state of purity is achievable and from there anything is possible. even the possibility to advance beyond the confines of our physiological restraints. religion in of itself is not the issue.

I understand and agree, but religion is what tells people to kill the others. Institutionalized religions keep us confined to the actions that benefit the rulers. What you speak of is spirituality, and an understanding of life, and how to co-exist and further ourselves. I'm all over that....

Religions are the manifestation of human spirituality. They exist and thrive because we are spiritual entities. I don't personally follow an organized religion because I believe all religions are flawed because they're man's creation. My God is Spiritual Energy and it doesn't conform to religious dogma.

That said, there are many who benefit from belonging to a religious faith and I think we need to take the good with the bad when it comes to religious tolerance. There is far more good than bad.

 

[Dragonlady]

But I will tell you right now that ethics is way more important than belief in an imaginary god.

Believing in an imaginary god doesn't make you religious. It just makes you wrong. Moreover, religion and ethics occupy the same realm--how we treat one another--and are therefore appropriately included under the same forum.

Ques: what does that mean "follow your morals"? Do you mean something like "go with your gut" or "act on impulse"?

Hardly. If you don't steal, lie or cheat because you believe it's wrong, that's ethics. If, like Trump, you don't know or don't care how your actions affect others, that's a lack of ethics.