Refugees and the right to return

[rylah]

All of them.

None of them. Their ancestors were Europeans. It's a big fat hoax that they come from the Middle East. Your run of the mill Greek or Italian Christian has more Middle Eastern DNA than a European Jew.

"Thus, the majority of Ashkenazi genetic heritage derives not from diasporic movement northward from the biblical homeland or from Near Eastern friends, but from within the indigenous peoples of Western and Central Europe."
Genes Of Most Ashkenazi Jews Trace Back To Europe, Not Middle East

All You have is sensationalist headline from a study that uses a questionable method of deduction.

Your study is actually saying:
A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages.

We're talking about a period of roughly between 3.3 million years ago until 5,300 years ago.

Why the deduction is questionable? Because we're using science and the results should be checked in a context of other studies. One such study on 'Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers'
refers specifically to the study You've linked, it say the following:

This is in agreement with previous observations from other Early Neolithic populations [27], [46], and underlines the importance of genetic drift processes at the beginning of the Neolithic [16]. Nevertheless, the multi-population comparative analyses performed here also suggest that certain population isolates of Middle Eastern origin, like the Druze, could have retained an ancient Neolithic genetic legacy through cultural isolation and endogamous practices [47]. Another interesting case are the Ashkenazi Jews, who display a frequency of haplogroup K similar to the PPNB sample together with low non-significant pairwise Fst values, which taken together suggests an ancient Near Eastern origin. This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48]. According to that work the majority of the Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages can be assigned to three major founders within haplogroup K (31% of their total lineages): K1a1b1a, K1a9 and K2a2. The absence of characteristic mutations within the control region in the PPNB K-haplotypes allow discarding them as members of either sub-clades K1a1b1a or K2a2, both representing a 79% of total Ashkenazi K lineages. However, without a high-resolution typing of the mtDNA coding region it cannot be excluded that the PPNB K lineages belong to the third sub-cluster K1a9 (20% of Askhenazi K lineages). Moreover, in the light of the evidence presented here of a loss of lineages in the Near East since Neolithic times, the absence of Ashkenazi mtDNA founder clades in the Near East should not be taken as a definitive argument for its absence in the past. The genotyping of the complete mtDNA in ancient Near Eastern populations would be required to fully answer this question and it will undoubtedly add resolution to the patterns detected in modern populations in this and other studies.

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands
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Now if we go further, we find out that actually most other Levant people who are not Arabians had European ancestry.
Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture


Abstract
The Levant is a region in the Near East with an impressive record of continuous human existence and major cultural developments since the Paleolithic period. Genetic and archeological studies present solid evidence placing the Middle East and the Arabian Peninsula as the first stepping-stone outside Africa. There is, however, little understanding of demographic changes in the Middle East, particularly the Levant, after the first Out-of-Africa expansion and how the Levantine peoples relate genetically to each other and to their neighbors. In this study we analyze more than 500,000 genome-wide SNPs in 1,341 new samples from the Levant and compare them to samples from 48 populations worldwide. Our results show recent genetic stratifications in the Levant are driven by the religious affiliations of the populations within the region. Cultural changes within the last two millennia appear to have facilitated/maintained admixture between culturally similar populations from the Levant, Arabian Peninsula, and Africa. The same cultural changes seem to have resulted in genetic isolation of other groups by limiting admixture with culturally different neighboring populations. Consequently, Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

The plots reveal a Levantine structure not reported previously: Lebanese Christians and all Druze cluster together, and Lebanese Muslims are extended towards Syrians, Palestinians, and Jordanians, which are close to Saudis and Bedouins. Ashkenazi Jews are drawn towards the Caucasus and Eastern Europe, reflecting historical admixture events with Europeans, while Sephardi Jews cluster tightly with the Levantine groups. These results are consistent with previous studies reporting higher European genome-wide admixture in Ashkenazi Jews compared with other Jews [11] and higher Y-chromosomal gene flow to Lebanese Muslims from the Arabian Peninsula compared with other Lebanese [5].

We see here Palestinians are closer to Saudis, Syrians, Jordanians and the Bedouin, while Ashkenazi Jews, although some very close to Europeans, mostly cluster with the Lebanese Druze and Christians:

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Blood purity of Jews - the last resort of team Palestine, when nothing else works to deny Jews their rights.

I see you are of the 'If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.' school. Let's cut to the chase, the conclusion is clear. The European Jews are European, descended from pre-historic Europeans. The Zionists were descendants of the indigenous people of Western and Central Europe that stole Palestine from the native and indigenous people that were living there.

"Thus, the majority of Ashkenazi genetic heritage derives not from diasporic movement northward from the biblical homeland or from Near Eastern friends, but from within the indigenous peoples of Western and Central Europe."

Genes Of Most Ashkenazi Jews Trace Back To Europe, Not Middle East

You have nothing but selective vision, deal with it You just hate Jews and look for anything to deny them their rights.


Palestinians are closer to Saudis and Bedouins, Jews mostly cluster with the Lebanese:

Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48].

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands

How is understanding that European Jews are Europeans that happen to practice Judaism "hating Jews". It's just a fact.

First of all it's not true, the way You use those isolated studies in order to deny Jews their rights is a good example of 'hating Jews'. You ignore all evidence in those same studies, that connect Jews directly to the land, while using a totally racist narrative.


Jews are connected to the land genetically, culturally and by longstanding presence.

Be honest, own Yourself and deal with it.

 

[Eloy]

None of them. Their ancestors were Europeans. It's a big fat hoax that they come from the Middle East. Your run of the mill Greek or Italian Christian has more Middle Eastern DNA than a European Jew.

"Thus, the majority of Ashkenazi genetic heritage derives not from diasporic movement northward from the biblical homeland or from Near Eastern friends, but from within the indigenous peoples of Western and Central Europe."
Genes Of Most Ashkenazi Jews Trace Back To Europe, Not Middle East

All You have is sensationalist headline from a study that uses a questionable method of deduction.

Your study is actually saying:
A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages.

We're talking about a period of roughly between 3.3 million years ago until 5,300 years ago.

Why the deduction is questionable? Because we're using science and the results should be checked in a context of other studies. One such study on 'Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers'
refers specifically to the study You've linked, it say the following:

This is in agreement with previous observations from other Early Neolithic populations [27], [46], and underlines the importance of genetic drift processes at the beginning of the Neolithic [16]. Nevertheless, the multi-population comparative analyses performed here also suggest that certain population isolates of Middle Eastern origin, like the Druze, could have retained an ancient Neolithic genetic legacy through cultural isolation and endogamous practices [47]. Another interesting case are the Ashkenazi Jews, who display a frequency of haplogroup K similar to the PPNB sample together with low non-significant pairwise Fst values, which taken together suggests an ancient Near Eastern origin. This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48]. According to that work the majority of the Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages can be assigned to three major founders within haplogroup K (31% of their total lineages): K1a1b1a, K1a9 and K2a2. The absence of characteristic mutations within the control region in the PPNB K-haplotypes allow discarding them as members of either sub-clades K1a1b1a or K2a2, both representing a 79% of total Ashkenazi K lineages. However, without a high-resolution typing of the mtDNA coding region it cannot be excluded that the PPNB K lineages belong to the third sub-cluster K1a9 (20% of Askhenazi K lineages). Moreover, in the light of the evidence presented here of a loss of lineages in the Near East since Neolithic times, the absence of Ashkenazi mtDNA founder clades in the Near East should not be taken as a definitive argument for its absence in the past. The genotyping of the complete mtDNA in ancient Near Eastern populations would be required to fully answer this question and it will undoubtedly add resolution to the patterns detected in modern populations in this and other studies.

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands
-------------------------------------------------------------

Now if we go further, we find out that actually most other Levant people who are not Arabians had European ancestry.
Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture


Abstract
The Levant is a region in the Near East with an impressive record of continuous human existence and major cultural developments since the Paleolithic period. Genetic and archeological studies present solid evidence placing the Middle East and the Arabian Peninsula as the first stepping-stone outside Africa. There is, however, little understanding of demographic changes in the Middle East, particularly the Levant, after the first Out-of-Africa expansion and how the Levantine peoples relate genetically to each other and to their neighbors. In this study we analyze more than 500,000 genome-wide SNPs in 1,341 new samples from the Levant and compare them to samples from 48 populations worldwide. Our results show recent genetic stratifications in the Levant are driven by the religious affiliations of the populations within the region. Cultural changes within the last two millennia appear to have facilitated/maintained admixture between culturally similar populations from the Levant, Arabian Peninsula, and Africa. The same cultural changes seem to have resulted in genetic isolation of other groups by limiting admixture with culturally different neighboring populations. Consequently, Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

The plots reveal a Levantine structure not reported previously: Lebanese Christians and all Druze cluster together, and Lebanese Muslims are extended towards Syrians, Palestinians, and Jordanians, which are close to Saudis and Bedouins. Ashkenazi Jews are drawn towards the Caucasus and Eastern Europe, reflecting historical admixture events with Europeans, while Sephardi Jews cluster tightly with the Levantine groups. These results are consistent with previous studies reporting higher European genome-wide admixture in Ashkenazi Jews compared with other Jews [11] and higher Y-chromosomal gene flow to Lebanese Muslims from the Arabian Peninsula compared with other Lebanese [5].

We see here Palestinians are closer to Saudis, Syrians, Jordanians and the Bedouin, while Ashkenazi Jews, although some very close to Europeans, mostly cluster with the Lebanese Druze and Christians:

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Blood purity of Jews - the last resort of team Palestine, when nothing else works to deny Jews their rights.

I see you are of the 'If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.' school. Let's cut to the chase, the conclusion is clear. The European Jews are European, descended from pre-historic Europeans. The Zionists were descendants of the indigenous people of Western and Central Europe that stole Palestine from the native and indigenous people that were living there.

"Thus, the majority of Ashkenazi genetic heritage derives not from diasporic movement northward from the biblical homeland or from Near Eastern friends, but from within the indigenous peoples of Western and Central Europe."

Genes Of Most Ashkenazi Jews Trace Back To Europe, Not Middle East

You have nothing but selective vision, deal with it You just hate Jews and look for anything to deny them their rights.


Palestinians are closer to Saudis and Bedouins, Jews mostly cluster with the Lebanese:

Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48].

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands

How is understanding that European Jews are Europeans that happen to practice Judaism "hating Jews". It's just a fact.

First of all it's not true, the way You use those isolated studies in order to deny Jews their rights is a good example of 'hating Jews'. You ignore all evidence in those same studies, that connect Jews directly to the land, while using a totally racist narrative.


Jews are connected to the land genetically, culturally and by longstanding presence.

Be honest, own Yourself and deal with it.

Jewish immigrants from Moldova have no right to be living on occupied Palestinian land while those who are born there have been denied their right to live in the land of their birth.

 

[Shusha]

Specifically, please respond to posts #7 and #25.

#7 merely disagrees with the legal principles, it does not refute them.

#25, same.

What legal principles? You have not outlined the legal principles you wish to discuss. Point form is fine. I'm pretty familiar with the legal principles. Just outline them. For example:

1. Citizenship Order of 1925 makes all residents of the territory citizens of the territory.
2. Israel declared independence over the territory, making all residents citizens of Israel.
3. Arab Palestinians are prevented by law from seceding, therefore they can not stop being citizens of Israel.

Just walk me through your thinking here.

OK, except the I do not understand what you mean in #3.

I'm asking you to outline YOUR argument. Using the legal principles you want to introduce into the conversation. Go.

 

[rylah]

All You have is sensationalist headline from a study that uses a questionable method of deduction.

Your study is actually saying:
A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages.

We're talking about a period of roughly between 3.3 million years ago until 5,300 years ago.

Why the deduction is questionable? Because we're using science and the results should be checked in a context of other studies. One such study on 'Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers'
refers specifically to the study You've linked, it say the following:

This is in agreement with previous observations from other Early Neolithic populations [27], [46], and underlines the importance of genetic drift processes at the beginning of the Neolithic [16]. Nevertheless, the multi-population comparative analyses performed here also suggest that certain population isolates of Middle Eastern origin, like the Druze, could have retained an ancient Neolithic genetic legacy through cultural isolation and endogamous practices [47]. Another interesting case are the Ashkenazi Jews, who display a frequency of haplogroup K similar to the PPNB sample together with low non-significant pairwise Fst values, which taken together suggests an ancient Near Eastern origin. This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48]. According to that work the majority of the Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages can be assigned to three major founders within haplogroup K (31% of their total lineages): K1a1b1a, K1a9 and K2a2. The absence of characteristic mutations within the control region in the PPNB K-haplotypes allow discarding them as members of either sub-clades K1a1b1a or K2a2, both representing a 79% of total Ashkenazi K lineages. However, without a high-resolution typing of the mtDNA coding region it cannot be excluded that the PPNB K lineages belong to the third sub-cluster K1a9 (20% of Askhenazi K lineages). Moreover, in the light of the evidence presented here of a loss of lineages in the Near East since Neolithic times, the absence of Ashkenazi mtDNA founder clades in the Near East should not be taken as a definitive argument for its absence in the past. The genotyping of the complete mtDNA in ancient Near Eastern populations would be required to fully answer this question and it will undoubtedly add resolution to the patterns detected in modern populations in this and other studies.

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands
-------------------------------------------------------------

Now if we go further, we find out that actually most other Levant people who are not Arabians had European ancestry.
Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture


Abstract
The Levant is a region in the Near East with an impressive record of continuous human existence and major cultural developments since the Paleolithic period. Genetic and archeological studies present solid evidence placing the Middle East and the Arabian Peninsula as the first stepping-stone outside Africa. There is, however, little understanding of demographic changes in the Middle East, particularly the Levant, after the first Out-of-Africa expansion and how the Levantine peoples relate genetically to each other and to their neighbors. In this study we analyze more than 500,000 genome-wide SNPs in 1,341 new samples from the Levant and compare them to samples from 48 populations worldwide. Our results show recent genetic stratifications in the Levant are driven by the religious affiliations of the populations within the region. Cultural changes within the last two millennia appear to have facilitated/maintained admixture between culturally similar populations from the Levant, Arabian Peninsula, and Africa. The same cultural changes seem to have resulted in genetic isolation of other groups by limiting admixture with culturally different neighboring populations. Consequently, Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

The plots reveal a Levantine structure not reported previously: Lebanese Christians and all Druze cluster together, and Lebanese Muslims are extended towards Syrians, Palestinians, and Jordanians, which are close to Saudis and Bedouins. Ashkenazi Jews are drawn towards the Caucasus and Eastern Europe, reflecting historical admixture events with Europeans, while Sephardi Jews cluster tightly with the Levantine groups. These results are consistent with previous studies reporting higher European genome-wide admixture in Ashkenazi Jews compared with other Jews [11] and higher Y-chromosomal gene flow to Lebanese Muslims from the Arabian Peninsula compared with other Lebanese [5].

We see here Palestinians are closer to Saudis, Syrians, Jordanians and the Bedouin, while Ashkenazi Jews, although some very close to Europeans, mostly cluster with the Lebanese Druze and Christians:

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Blood purity of Jews - the last resort of team Palestine, when nothing else works to deny Jews their rights.

I see you are of the 'If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.' school. Let's cut to the chase, the conclusion is clear. The European Jews are European, descended from pre-historic Europeans. The Zionists were descendants of the indigenous people of Western and Central Europe that stole Palestine from the native and indigenous people that were living there.

"Thus, the majority of Ashkenazi genetic heritage derives not from diasporic movement northward from the biblical homeland or from Near Eastern friends, but from within the indigenous peoples of Western and Central Europe."

Genes Of Most Ashkenazi Jews Trace Back To Europe, Not Middle East

You have nothing but selective vision, deal with it You just hate Jews and look for anything to deny them their rights.


Palestinians are closer to Saudis and Bedouins, Jews mostly cluster with the Lebanese:

Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48].

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands

How is understanding that European Jews are Europeans that happen to practice Judaism "hating Jews". It's just a fact.

First of all it's not true, the way You use those isolated studies in order to deny Jews their rights is a good example of 'hating Jews'. You ignore all evidence in those same studies, that connect Jews directly to the land, while using a totally racist narrative.


Jews are connected to the land genetically, culturally and by longstanding presence.

Be honest, own Yourself and deal with it.

Jewish immigrants from Moldova have no right to be living on occupied Palestinian land while those who are born there have been denied their right to live in the land of their birth.

Palestinian immigrants from Yemen, Egypt, Syria, Geece, Bosnia etc. HAVE A RIGHT to be living in the region of Palestine, which their ancestors colonized.
However they have no right to deny Jews their rights, their claim to self determination cannot be conditioned on the elimination of the National Home for Jews.

 

[montelatici]

None of them. Their ancestors were Europeans. It's a big fat hoax that they come from the Middle East. Your run of the mill Greek or Italian Christian has more Middle Eastern DNA than a European Jew.

"Thus, the majority of Ashkenazi genetic heritage derives not from diasporic movement northward from the biblical homeland or from Near Eastern friends, but from within the indigenous peoples of Western and Central Europe."
Genes Of Most Ashkenazi Jews Trace Back To Europe, Not Middle East

All You have is sensationalist headline from a study that uses a questionable method of deduction.

Your study is actually saying:
A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages.

We're talking about a period of roughly between 3.3 million years ago until 5,300 years ago.

Why the deduction is questionable? Because we're using science and the results should be checked in a context of other studies. One such study on 'Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers'
refers specifically to the study You've linked, it say the following:

This is in agreement with previous observations from other Early Neolithic populations [27], [46], and underlines the importance of genetic drift processes at the beginning of the Neolithic [16]. Nevertheless, the multi-population comparative analyses performed here also suggest that certain population isolates of Middle Eastern origin, like the Druze, could have retained an ancient Neolithic genetic legacy through cultural isolation and endogamous practices [47]. Another interesting case are the Ashkenazi Jews, who display a frequency of haplogroup K similar to the PPNB sample together with low non-significant pairwise Fst values, which taken together suggests an ancient Near Eastern origin. This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48]. According to that work the majority of the Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages can be assigned to three major founders within haplogroup K (31% of their total lineages): K1a1b1a, K1a9 and K2a2. The absence of characteristic mutations within the control region in the PPNB K-haplotypes allow discarding them as members of either sub-clades K1a1b1a or K2a2, both representing a 79% of total Ashkenazi K lineages. However, without a high-resolution typing of the mtDNA coding region it cannot be excluded that the PPNB K lineages belong to the third sub-cluster K1a9 (20% of Askhenazi K lineages). Moreover, in the light of the evidence presented here of a loss of lineages in the Near East since Neolithic times, the absence of Ashkenazi mtDNA founder clades in the Near East should not be taken as a definitive argument for its absence in the past. The genotyping of the complete mtDNA in ancient Near Eastern populations would be required to fully answer this question and it will undoubtedly add resolution to the patterns detected in modern populations in this and other studies.

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands
-------------------------------------------------------------

Now if we go further, we find out that actually most other Levant people who are not Arabians had European ancestry.
Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture


Abstract
The Levant is a region in the Near East with an impressive record of continuous human existence and major cultural developments since the Paleolithic period. Genetic and archeological studies present solid evidence placing the Middle East and the Arabian Peninsula as the first stepping-stone outside Africa. There is, however, little understanding of demographic changes in the Middle East, particularly the Levant, after the first Out-of-Africa expansion and how the Levantine peoples relate genetically to each other and to their neighbors. In this study we analyze more than 500,000 genome-wide SNPs in 1,341 new samples from the Levant and compare them to samples from 48 populations worldwide. Our results show recent genetic stratifications in the Levant are driven by the religious affiliations of the populations within the region. Cultural changes within the last two millennia appear to have facilitated/maintained admixture between culturally similar populations from the Levant, Arabian Peninsula, and Africa. The same cultural changes seem to have resulted in genetic isolation of other groups by limiting admixture with culturally different neighboring populations. Consequently, Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

The plots reveal a Levantine structure not reported previously: Lebanese Christians and all Druze cluster together, and Lebanese Muslims are extended towards Syrians, Palestinians, and Jordanians, which are close to Saudis and Bedouins. Ashkenazi Jews are drawn towards the Caucasus and Eastern Europe, reflecting historical admixture events with Europeans, while Sephardi Jews cluster tightly with the Levantine groups. These results are consistent with previous studies reporting higher European genome-wide admixture in Ashkenazi Jews compared with other Jews [11] and higher Y-chromosomal gene flow to Lebanese Muslims from the Arabian Peninsula compared with other Lebanese [5].

We see here Palestinians are closer to Saudis, Syrians, Jordanians and the Bedouin, while Ashkenazi Jews, although some very close to Europeans, mostly cluster with the Lebanese Druze and Christians:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Blood purity of Jews - the last resort of team Palestine, when nothing else works to deny Jews their rights.

I see you are of the 'If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.' school. Let's cut to the chase, the conclusion is clear. The European Jews are European, descended from pre-historic Europeans. The Zionists were descendants of the indigenous people of Western and Central Europe that stole Palestine from the native and indigenous people that were living there.

"Thus, the majority of Ashkenazi genetic heritage derives not from diasporic movement northward from the biblical homeland or from Near Eastern friends, but from within the indigenous peoples of Western and Central Europe."

Genes Of Most Ashkenazi Jews Trace Back To Europe, Not Middle East

You have nothing but selective vision, deal with it You just hate Jews and look for anything to deny them their rights.


Palestinians are closer to Saudis and Bedouins, Jews mostly cluster with the Lebanese:

Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48].

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands

How is understanding that European Jews are Europeans that happen to practice Judaism "hating Jews". It's just a fact.

First of all it's not true, the way You use those isolated studies in order to deny Jews their rights is a good example of 'hating Jews'. You ignore all evidence in those same studies, that connect Jews directly to the land, while using a totally racist narrative.


Jews are connected to the land genetically, culturally and by longstanding presence.

Be honest, own Yourself and deal with it.

You are using propaganda, I am using definitive genetics work published in scientific or medical journals. In this case "Medical Daily". The European Jews that invaded Palestine were connected to Europe genetically and culturally. You are trying to transform Zionist myth into fact. It just won't work.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Over 100 posts and nobody refuted anything mentioned in the OP.

Interesting.

The Muzzies have no right to return to a nation they were never a part of.
They should move to Syria. Or any other failed Muslim state in the area.

 

[rylah]

All You have is sensationalist headline from a study that uses a questionable method of deduction.

Your study is actually saying:
A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages.

We're talking about a period of roughly between 3.3 million years ago until 5,300 years ago.

Why the deduction is questionable? Because we're using science and the results should be checked in a context of other studies. One such study on 'Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers'
refers specifically to the study You've linked, it say the following:

This is in agreement with previous observations from other Early Neolithic populations [27], [46], and underlines the importance of genetic drift processes at the beginning of the Neolithic [16]. Nevertheless, the multi-population comparative analyses performed here also suggest that certain population isolates of Middle Eastern origin, like the Druze, could have retained an ancient Neolithic genetic legacy through cultural isolation and endogamous practices [47]. Another interesting case are the Ashkenazi Jews, who display a frequency of haplogroup K similar to the PPNB sample together with low non-significant pairwise Fst values, which taken together suggests an ancient Near Eastern origin. This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48]. According to that work the majority of the Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages can be assigned to three major founders within haplogroup K (31% of their total lineages): K1a1b1a, K1a9 and K2a2. The absence of characteristic mutations within the control region in the PPNB K-haplotypes allow discarding them as members of either sub-clades K1a1b1a or K2a2, both representing a 79% of total Ashkenazi K lineages. However, without a high-resolution typing of the mtDNA coding region it cannot be excluded that the PPNB K lineages belong to the third sub-cluster K1a9 (20% of Askhenazi K lineages). Moreover, in the light of the evidence presented here of a loss of lineages in the Near East since Neolithic times, the absence of Ashkenazi mtDNA founder clades in the Near East should not be taken as a definitive argument for its absence in the past. The genotyping of the complete mtDNA in ancient Near Eastern populations would be required to fully answer this question and it will undoubtedly add resolution to the patterns detected in modern populations in this and other studies.

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands
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Now if we go further, we find out that actually most other Levant people who are not Arabians had European ancestry.
Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture


Abstract
The Levant is a region in the Near East with an impressive record of continuous human existence and major cultural developments since the Paleolithic period. Genetic and archeological studies present solid evidence placing the Middle East and the Arabian Peninsula as the first stepping-stone outside Africa. There is, however, little understanding of demographic changes in the Middle East, particularly the Levant, after the first Out-of-Africa expansion and how the Levantine peoples relate genetically to each other and to their neighbors. In this study we analyze more than 500,000 genome-wide SNPs in 1,341 new samples from the Levant and compare them to samples from 48 populations worldwide. Our results show recent genetic stratifications in the Levant are driven by the religious affiliations of the populations within the region. Cultural changes within the last two millennia appear to have facilitated/maintained admixture between culturally similar populations from the Levant, Arabian Peninsula, and Africa. The same cultural changes seem to have resulted in genetic isolation of other groups by limiting admixture with culturally different neighboring populations. Consequently, Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

The plots reveal a Levantine structure not reported previously: Lebanese Christians and all Druze cluster together, and Lebanese Muslims are extended towards Syrians, Palestinians, and Jordanians, which are close to Saudis and Bedouins. Ashkenazi Jews are drawn towards the Caucasus and Eastern Europe, reflecting historical admixture events with Europeans, while Sephardi Jews cluster tightly with the Levantine groups. These results are consistent with previous studies reporting higher European genome-wide admixture in Ashkenazi Jews compared with other Jews [11] and higher Y-chromosomal gene flow to Lebanese Muslims from the Arabian Peninsula compared with other Lebanese [5].

We see here Palestinians are closer to Saudis, Syrians, Jordanians and the Bedouin, while Ashkenazi Jews, although some very close to Europeans, mostly cluster with the Lebanese Druze and Christians:

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Blood purity of Jews - the last resort of team Palestine, when nothing else works to deny Jews their rights.

I see you are of the 'If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.' school. Let's cut to the chase, the conclusion is clear. The European Jews are European, descended from pre-historic Europeans. The Zionists were descendants of the indigenous people of Western and Central Europe that stole Palestine from the native and indigenous people that were living there.

"Thus, the majority of Ashkenazi genetic heritage derives not from diasporic movement northward from the biblical homeland or from Near Eastern friends, but from within the indigenous peoples of Western and Central Europe."

Genes Of Most Ashkenazi Jews Trace Back To Europe, Not Middle East

You have nothing but selective vision, deal with it You just hate Jews and look for anything to deny them their rights.


Palestinians are closer to Saudis and Bedouins, Jews mostly cluster with the Lebanese:

Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48].

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands

How is understanding that European Jews are Europeans that happen to practice Judaism "hating Jews". It's just a fact.

First of all it's not true, the way You use those isolated studies in order to deny Jews their rights is a good example of 'hating Jews'. You ignore all evidence in those same studies, that connect Jews directly to the land, while using a totally racist narrative.


Jews are connected to the land genetically, culturally and by longstanding presence.

Be honest, own Yourself and deal with it.

You are using propaganda, I am using definitive genetics work published in scientific or medical journals. In this case "Medical Daily". The European Jews that invaded Palestine were connected to Europe genetically and culturally. You are trying to transform Zionist myth into fact. It just won't work.

You're joking right? I referred only to scientific studies directly, not some news sites that don't even quote the original headline of the study, like Your link.

Deal with it, Your 'propaganda card' is a joke, You're just run out of excuses for the Joooo hatred. And it clearly shows in the fixation on blood purity.

 

[montelatici]

I see you are of the 'If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.' school. Let's cut to the chase, the conclusion is clear. The European Jews are European, descended from pre-historic Europeans. The Zionists were descendants of the indigenous people of Western and Central Europe that stole Palestine from the native and indigenous people that were living there.

"Thus, the majority of Ashkenazi genetic heritage derives not from diasporic movement northward from the biblical homeland or from Near Eastern friends, but from within the indigenous peoples of Western and Central Europe."

Genes Of Most Ashkenazi Jews Trace Back To Europe, Not Middle East

You have nothing but selective vision, deal with it You just hate Jews and look for anything to deny them their rights.


Palestinians are closer to Saudis and Bedouins, Jews mostly cluster with the Lebanese:

Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48].

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands

How is understanding that European Jews are Europeans that happen to practice Judaism "hating Jews". It's just a fact.

First of all it's not true, the way You use those isolated studies in order to deny Jews their rights is a good example of 'hating Jews'. You ignore all evidence in those same studies, that connect Jews directly to the land, while using a totally racist narrative.


Jews are connected to the land genetically, culturally and by longstanding presence.

Be honest, own Yourself and deal with it.

Jewish immigrants from Moldova have no right to be living on occupied Palestinian land while those who are born there have been denied their right to live in the land of their birth.

Palestinian immigrants from Yemen, Egypt, Syria, Geece, Bosnia etc. HAVE A RIGHT to be living in the region of Palestine, which their ancestors colonized.
However they have no right to deny Jews their rights, their claim to self determination cannot be conditioned on the elimination of the National Home for Jews.

The ancestors of the Palestinian Muslims and Christians are predominately the descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine. The Europeans that colonized Palestine and evicted many of the descendants the indigenous are now there, the crime has been committed. There needs to be a peaceful solution that removes Israeli oppression of and discrimination against the native people. The colonial project couched as a national home for Europeans of the Jewish faith was a ridiculous plan that was bound to fail. There was no way the civil rights of the native people would be protected as the Balfour Declaration required. It was a British colonial scheme and all British colonial schemes harmed the native people.

 

[rylah]

You have nothing but selective vision, deal with it You just hate Jews and look for anything to deny them their rights.


Palestinians are closer to Saudis and Bedouins, Jews mostly cluster with the Lebanese:

Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48].

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands

How is understanding that European Jews are Europeans that happen to practice Judaism "hating Jews". It's just a fact.

First of all it's not true, the way You use those isolated studies in order to deny Jews their rights is a good example of 'hating Jews'. You ignore all evidence in those same studies, that connect Jews directly to the land, while using a totally racist narrative.


Jews are connected to the land genetically, culturally and by longstanding presence.

Be honest, own Yourself and deal with it.

Jewish immigrants from Moldova have no right to be living on occupied Palestinian land while those who are born there have been denied their right to live in the land of their birth.

Palestinian immigrants from Yemen, Egypt, Syria, Geece, Bosnia etc. HAVE A RIGHT to be living in the region of Palestine, which their ancestors colonized.
However they have no right to deny Jews their rights, their claim to self determination cannot be conditioned on the elimination of the National Home for Jews.

The ancestors of the Palestinian Muslims and Christians are predominately the descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine. The Europeans that colonized Palestine and evicted many of the descendants the indigenous are now there, the crime has been committed. There needs to be a peaceful solution that removes Israeli oppression of and discrimination against the native people. The colonial project couched as a national home for Europeans of the Jewish faith was a ridiculous plan that was bound to fail. There was no way the civil rights of the native people would be protected as the Balfour Declaration required. It was a British colonial scheme and all British colonial schemes harmed the native people.

No, and has been debunked from Your own sources.

Nice deflection from a 'discussion' on scientific studies. I thought You claimed to be a professor... just another bigot.

Actually the classic caricature of an anti-Semite.

 

[montelatici]

How is understanding that European Jews are Europeans that happen to practice Judaism "hating Jews". It's just a fact.

First of all it's not true, the way You use those isolated studies in order to deny Jews their rights is a good example of 'hating Jews'. You ignore all evidence in those same studies, that connect Jews directly to the land, while using a totally racist narrative.


Jews are connected to the land genetically, culturally and by longstanding presence.

Be honest, own Yourself and deal with it.

Jewish immigrants from Moldova have no right to be living on occupied Palestinian land while those who are born there have been denied their right to live in the land of their birth.

Palestinian immigrants from Yemen, Egypt, Syria, Geece, Bosnia etc. HAVE A RIGHT to be living in the region of Palestine, which their ancestors colonized.
However they have no right to deny Jews their rights, their claim to self determination cannot be conditioned on the elimination of the National Home for Jews.

The ancestors of the Palestinian Muslims and Christians are predominately the descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine. The Europeans that colonized Palestine and evicted many of the descendants the indigenous are now there, the crime has been committed. There needs to be a peaceful solution that removes Israeli oppression of and discrimination against the native people. The colonial project couched as a national home for Europeans of the Jewish faith was a ridiculous plan that was bound to fail. There was no way the civil rights of the native people would be protected as the Balfour Declaration required. It was a British colonial scheme and all British colonial schemes harmed the native people.

No, and has been debunked from Your own sources.

Nice deflection from a 'discussion' on scientific studies. I thought You claimed to be a professor... just another bigot.

Actually the classic caricature of an anti-Semite.

There is nothing anti-semitic about stating fact. Nothing has been debunked, European Jews are genetically European. Only crazy Zionist/Hasbara sites promote anything different.

My own sources reach the same conclusion. Ashkenazi Jews are Europeans with no more Middle Eastern ancestry than Greeks, Italians, Spanish etc.

 

[rylah]

First of all it's not true, the way You use those isolated studies in order to deny Jews their rights is a good example of 'hating Jews'. You ignore all evidence in those same studies, that connect Jews directly to the land, while using a totally racist narrative.


Jews are connected to the land genetically, culturally and by longstanding presence.

Be honest, own Yourself and deal with it.

Jewish immigrants from Moldova have no right to be living on occupied Palestinian land while those who are born there have been denied their right to live in the land of their birth.

Palestinian immigrants from Yemen, Egypt, Syria, Geece, Bosnia etc. HAVE A RIGHT to be living in the region of Palestine, which their ancestors colonized.
However they have no right to deny Jews their rights, their claim to self determination cannot be conditioned on the elimination of the National Home for Jews.

The ancestors of the Palestinian Muslims and Christians are predominately the descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine. The Europeans that colonized Palestine and evicted many of the descendants the indigenous are now there, the crime has been committed. There needs to be a peaceful solution that removes Israeli oppression of and discrimination against the native people. The colonial project couched as a national home for Europeans of the Jewish faith was a ridiculous plan that was bound to fail. There was no way the civil rights of the native people would be protected as the Balfour Declaration required. It was a British colonial scheme and all British colonial schemes harmed the native people.

No, and has been debunked from Your own sources.

Nice deflection from a 'discussion' on scientific studies. I thought You claimed to be a professor... just another bigot.

Actually the classic caricature of an anti-Semite.

There is nothing anti-semitic about stating fact. Nothing has been debunked, European Jews are genetically European. Only crazy Zionist/Hasbara sites promote anything different.

My own sources reach the same conclusion. Ashkenazi Jews are Europeans with no more Middle Eastern ancestry than Greeks, Italians, Spanish etc.

Well and another scientific study contradicted it, along with many others that connect Ashkenazi Jews directly to Levant and to other Jews in the diaspora.This is obvious on all levels

This is not so obvious for the term 'Indigenous Palestinian'. I haven't seen anything that doesn't come either form Greco-Roman or Arabian origin that is defined as 'Palestinian'.

 

[jillian]

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Susan Akram
B.A., with honors, University of Michigan at Ann Arbor
J.D., Georgetown University Law Center
Diplome in International Human Rights, Institut International des Droits de l’Homme, Strasbourg (France)

they weren't from there in the first place, jew-hater. they were from Transjordan. but Jordan doesn't want them either.

 

[montelatici]

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That would be me.

Susan Akram
B.A., with honors, University of Michigan at Ann Arbor
J.D., Georgetown University Law Center
Diplome in International Human Rights, Institut International des Droits de l’Homme, Strasbourg (France)

they weren't from there in the first place, jew-hater. they were from Transjordan. but Jordan doesn't want them either.

Of course the Palestinians are from Palestine you racist piece of crap. Transjordan is home to the Hashemite Bedouins not the Muslims and Christians of Palestine who are the descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine.

 

[rylah]

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That would be me.

Susan Akram
B.A., with honors, University of Michigan at Ann Arbor
J.D., Georgetown University Law Center
Diplome in International Human Rights, Institut International des Droits de l’Homme, Strasbourg (France)

they weren't from there in the first place, jew-hater. they were from Transjordan. but Jordan doesn't want them either.

Of course the Palestinians are from Palestine you racist piece of crap. Transjordan is home to the Hashemite Bedouins not the Muslims and Christians of Palestine who are the descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine.

The indigenous people of Palestine are the Jews, the indigenous Christians were messianic Jews. Arabians, Bedouins, Greeks and Romans are not indigenous to Palestine.

 

[montelatici]

No, the indigenous people of Palestine were the Canaanites. The Muslims and Christians of Palestine are the descendants of the Canaanites and the later settler colonist invaders. The Arabians were invader/rulers, as were the Greeks and Romans. The Bedouins were and are descendants of the indigenous Edomite tribes. The Zionists are European settler colonists.

 

[Hollie]

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Susan Akram
B.A., with honors, University of Michigan at Ann Arbor
J.D., Georgetown University Law Center
Diplome in International Human Rights, Institut International des Droits de l’Homme, Strasbourg (France)

they weren't from there in the first place, jew-hater. they were from Transjordan. but Jordan doesn't want them either.

Of course the Palestinians are from Palestine you racist piece of crap. Transjordan is home to the Hashemite Bedouins not the Muslims and Christians of Palestine who are the descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine.

Well actually, your so-called "Pal'istanians" are Arab-Moslem squatters / invaders largely from Egypt, Syria and Lebanon. Before that, Turk invaders.

Your silly "indigenous people" slogan has long ago been debunked. Notwithstanding the land grabbers above, and to include Arab Bedouins and European xtian Crusaders, your "indigenous people" nonsense makes you look like quite the fool.

 

[Shusha]

No, the indigenous people of Palestine were the Canaanites. The Muslims and Christians of Palestine are the descendants of the Canaanites and the later settler colonist invaders. The Arabians were invader/rulers, as were the Greeks and Romans. The Bedouins were and are descendants of the indigenous Edomite tribes. The Zionists are European settler colonists.

Your error of omission is glaring. The indigenous peoples of the territory were a variety of tribal peoples (including the Canaanites) who eventually coalesced into the Jewish people.

The Jewish people were victims of invaders (Greeks, Romans and Arabians).


Given that the Jewish people still exist. You can't pretend that they don't in order to prevent them from having rights.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You have nothing but selective vision, deal with it You just hate Jews and look for anything to deny them their rights.


Palestinians are closer to Saudis and Bedouins, Jews mostly cluster with the Lebanese:

Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans. Finally, we identify a putative Levantine ancestral component that diverged from other Middle Easterners ∼23,700–15,500 years ago during the last glacial period, and diverged from Europeans ∼15,900–9,100 years ago between the last glacial warming and the start of the Neolithic.

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

This observation clearly contradicts the results of a recent study, where a detailed phylogeographical analysis of mtDNA lineages has suggested a predominantly European origin for the Ashkenazi communities [48].

Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands

How is understanding that European Jews are Europeans that happen to practice Judaism "hating Jews". It's just a fact.

First of all it's not true, the way You use those isolated studies in order to deny Jews their rights is a good example of 'hating Jews'. You ignore all evidence in those same studies, that connect Jews directly to the land, while using a totally racist narrative.


Jews are connected to the land genetically, culturally and by longstanding presence.

Be honest, own Yourself and deal with it.

Jewish immigrants from Moldova have no right to be living on occupied Palestinian land while those who are born there have been denied their right to live in the land of their birth.

Palestinian immigrants from Yemen, Egypt, Syria, Geece, Bosnia etc. HAVE A RIGHT to be living in the region of Palestine, which their ancestors colonized.
However they have no right to deny Jews their rights, their claim to self determination cannot be conditioned on the elimination of the National Home for Jews.

The ancestors of the Palestinian Muslims and Christians are predominately the descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine. The Europeans that colonized Palestine and evicted many of the descendants the indigenous are now there, the crime has been committed. There needs to be a peaceful solution that removes Israeli oppression of and discrimination against the native people. The colonial project couched as a national home for Europeans of the Jewish faith was a ridiculous plan that was bound to fail. There was no way the civil rights of the native people would be protected as the Balfour Declaration required. It was a British colonial scheme and all British colonial schemes harmed the native people.

There needs to be a peaceful solution that removes Israeli oppression of and discrimination against the native people.

I agree, move them all to Syria. No pesky Jews there to oppress all those groovy peace loving Muslims.

 

[Eloy]

No, the indigenous people of Palestine were the Canaanites. The Muslims and Christians of Palestine are the descendants of the Canaanites and the later settler colonist invaders. The Arabians were invader/rulers, as were the Greeks and Romans. The Bedouins were and are descendants of the indigenous Edomite tribes. The Zionists are European settler colonists.

Your error of omission is glaring. The indigenous peoples of the territory were a variety of tribal peoples (including the Canaanites) who eventually coalesced into the Jewish people.

The Jewish people were victims of invaders (Greeks, Romans and Arabians).


Given that the Jewish people still exist. You can't pretend that they don't in order to prevent them from having rights.

The first Christians were Jews. I think they might have coalesced into the Protestants of the American Bible belt. Maybe they should all head back to Jerusalem, Jimmy Swaggart and Pat Robertson. That would be a good idea.

 

[montelatici]

No, the indigenous people of Palestine were the Canaanites. The Muslims and Christians of Palestine are the descendants of the Canaanites and the later settler colonist invaders. The Arabians were invader/rulers, as were the Greeks and Romans. The Bedouins were and are descendants of the indigenous Edomite tribes. The Zionists are European settler colonists.

Your error of omission is glaring. The indigenous peoples of the territory were a variety of tribal peoples (including the Canaanites) who eventually coalesced into the Jewish people.

The Jewish people were victims of invaders (Greeks, Romans and Arabians).


Given that the Jewish people still exist. You can't pretend that they don't in order to prevent them from having rights.

Don't be silly even your fairy tale bible denies that.