Red states building a nation within a nation

[ninja007]

And they do that by controlling the states.

The states decide who the president is, not the people.

The states decide who controls the Senate, not the people.

And the states decide who controls the Federal judiciary, not the people – the president makes judicial nominations confirmed by the Senate, control of both determined by the states, not the people.

Indeed, conservatives have already taken control of the judiciary.

you still believe that after the last stolen election?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Why don't you hold your breath, until I come back with your sammich.

Still ironing my shirt? Good woman.

 

[citygator]

If the red states are so bad explain why people are leaving New York City and California and moving to Texas and Florida.

Why New York and California are losing people, power to Texas and Florida

Where the people go, political power follows.

nypost.com

The videos I often see show New York City to be a hell hole of random violence and San Francisco to be a literal shit hole with feces in the streets and hypodermic needles lying around everywhere.

It seems the criminal element is moving to the blue cites as if they get caught they will likely spend less time in prison and may even get to walk without posting any bail.

Unless the republican party invented Air Conditioning in the 50's then they cant take credit for migration to Florida.... Show me on this graph where people fled the wokeness of NY?

 

[citygator]

If the red states are so bad explain why people are leaving New York City and California and moving to Texas and Florida.

Why New York and California are losing people, power to Texas and Florida

Where the people go, political power follows.

nypost.com

The videos I often see show New York City to be a hell hole of random violence and San Francisco to be a literal shit hole with feces in the streets and hypodermic needles lying around everywhere.

It seems the criminal element is moving to the blue cites as if they get caught they will likely spend less time in prison and may even get to walk without posting any bail.

There's no more room in NYC for people. It's fully developed. Here is NY population growth... show me where they started fleeing. Once Florida is developed it will stop growing and only prices will go up.

 

[citygator]

Can any of you hate America folks shows us any data to prove that a Make America Act White And Christian Again (MAAWACA) movement would be bad for the future of our once great, once all white, once all christian nation?
(be honest, did any of you piss your pants while reading this post?)

Here you go...

 

[citygator]

The economy dropped because Dimtard Governors shut down their states, Simp. Trump shut down nothing..

Zip.
Zero.
Nada.

And there have been more Fauci Flu deaths under your Vegetable Messiah, with all the Trump vaccines, than there was under Trump.

IM2 you are a mindless Dimtard Drone. Exactly what Dimtard leader love...............unbridled devotion without question.

What a simp.

Most recent GDP by state shows no differences by party affiliation nit wit. In fact dark blue is good and most of it is in Biden States

 

[citygator]

One more thing, IQ2: Why do you try to blame Trump for a GLOBAL PANDEMIC and then try to give your Vegetable Messiah a pass on the US rampant inflation by claiming inflation is up around the globe?

Do you even know what a hypocritical ass you look like?

Why do you blame Biden for Inflation when there is GLOBAL INFLATION but try to give Trump a pass on the pandemic? We have less inflation than Europe and way more deaths from covid than Europe. Duh. You dummy.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Why do you blame Biden for Inflation when there is GLOBAL INFLATION but try to give Trump a pass on the pandemic? We have less inflation than Europe and way more deaths from covid than Europe. Duh. You dummy.

What a fucking con job.

As the dollar goes, so goes the rest of the world.

But I guess you didn't consider that, did you?

 

[citygator]

The majority don't support the commie version of abortion, kill the kid right to the moment of birth.

.

Show me on this chart where that is happening.

 

[citygator]

What a fucking con job.

As the dollar goes, so goes the rest of the world.

But I guess you didn't consider that, did you?

We have less inflation than most. Thank you Biden!

 

[citygator]

I was a child back then. It was a wonderful time to be a child. The rate of divorce was low, The illegitimacy rate was an astonishingly low six percent. The crime rate was low. Most Americans were affiliated with a church or synagogue. A song captured the national mood with the lyrics, "Love and marriage go together like a horse and carriage." God was in his Heaven. All was right with the world.

Was about the same as now.

 

[otto105]

The vaccines were developed and there was no distribution strategy. So don't cling to that.


Hey Stupid, when Trump left office there were 1 million vaccines given daily. The EXACT NUMBER your Vegetable Messiah said he would get us to after his first 100 days in office.

Are you ever not a flaming moron?

You mean the vaccines which alter your genes?

The vaccines which are dangerous?

 

[martybegan]

A good summary of the movement to create a sub-culture (or sub-country really) within America by the right. Basically its another assault by the red states to suppress the rights of Americans within their state borders.. last time being Jim Crow. Everything old is new again, or history repeats itself if you prefer.

Red states are building a nation within a nation - CNNPolitics

"It's not at the level of Jim Crow, or certainly the difference between slave states and free states, but the differences are major," says Jake Grumbach, a University of Washington political scientist who studies divergence among the states. And like Kettl, Grumbach believes the economic and political differences between the red and blue states are on track to only widen.

Seen as a whole, the red states' drive to set their own rules, while blocking any interference from either blue-leaning local governments or a Democratic-controlled federal government, represents the broadest effort to carve out a separate sphere of influence since the fierce resistance to reconstruction across the South after the Civil War that ultimately led to Jim Crow segregation, Kettl believes. In some respects, he argues, red states are displaying a greater separatist impulse today than the South did then.

For now, Kettl sees the initial red state Republican goal primarily as consolidating these new rules and blocking any interference -- what he calls "an effort to build very high castle walls with a very deep moat." But like Grumbach and other experts on state policy, Kettl is dubious that Republicans will settle for imposing their values solely on the states now under their control. As the red states pursue a more consistent and coordinated course, Kettl predicts that Republicans will "try to impose [this] policy on the nation as a whole" if they achieve the federal power to do so.

Blue states such as California, New York, Illinois and Colorado have moved forcefully over the past two years to expand many of the liberties now under siege in the red states. But congressional Republicans while in the minority have already introduced proposals that would apply the red state rules across the entire nation on many of these same issues. The new social order red states are now sketching behind their "castle" walls may offer the best preview of what Republicans will try to impose on all states the next time they achieve unified control of the White House and Congress in Washington.

The only "liberty" Blue States care about is abortion, and maybe the freedom of criminals to continue being criminals with as little risk as possible.


Everything else? Ban ICE Vehicles, Ban guns, Ban plastic bags, ban new natural gas hookups, ban cars in certain areas, ban, ban, ban.

In any event, you are bitching about federalism, which is the cornerstone of our Constitution.

 

[otto105]

Red states leading US economic growth: Commerce Department report - Washington Examiner

Red states are leading economic growth in the U.S., a new report by the U. S. Commerce Department shows, with South Dakota, Texas and Utah reporting the highest growth. The report is based on 2020 fourth quarter gross domestic product (GDP) data and February 2021 unemployment rates. Real GDP...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Still only producing about 33% of our national GDP.


And your linked article is from March 2021.

 

[theHawk]

They're going where the jobs are fool. Companies are moving where the taxes are the lowest and labour laws are weak. The people follow the jobs.

The problem for these red states who are luring companies with low taxes, and right to work labour laws is that once the workers move from blue states, they're appalled at the low quality schools and government services in the red states.

Conservatism works for small rural states with no significant urban populations - and by "urban", I mean city dwellers, not minorities. But it's useless in areas with large populations. You need government structure, and management of basic human services - keeping the streets clean, safe, and in a good state of repair, picking up the garbage, operating transit companies.




Republicans are using the Constitution as toilet paper. Donald Trump tried to overturn the 2020 election which was conducted in accordance with the Constitution, and the laws of the states. Then he lied and said he won and the election was stolen from him.

You cannot believe any of this and claim to respect the Constitution or the rights of the people.

What nonsense. The “education system” is worst in blue states and cities.

 

[citygator]

Red states leading US economic growth: Commerce Department report - Washington Examiner

Red states are leading economic growth in the U.S., a new report by the U. S. Commerce Department shows, with South Dakota, Texas and Utah reporting the highest growth. The report is based on 2020 fourth quarter gross domestic product (GDP) data and February 2021 unemployment rates. Real GDP...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Washington Examiner! From March of 2021.... Bwahahahahahahaha. Here is the most recent GDP growth. Your math is stupid. Blue states are doing very well.

 

[otto105]

What nonsense. The “education system” is worst in blue states and cities.

Yeah, most people will find a world class university in rural Montana.

 

[otto105]

Even better drill down


Democratic counties represent 70% of U.S. GDP, 2020 election shows

 

[bendog]

A good summary of the movement to create a sub-culture (or sub-country really) within America by the right. Basically its another assault by the red states to suppress the rights of Americans within their state borders.. last time being Jim Crow. Everything old is new again, or history repeats itself if you prefer.

Red states are building a nation within a nation - CNNPolitics

"It's not at the level of Jim Crow, or certainly the difference between slave states and free states, but the differences are major," says Jake Grumbach, a University of Washington political scientist who studies divergence among the states. And like Kettl, Grumbach believes the economic and political differences between the red and blue states are on track to only widen.

Seen as a whole, the red states' drive to set their own rules, while blocking any interference from either blue-leaning local governments or a Democratic-controlled federal government, represents the broadest effort to carve out a separate sphere of influence since the fierce resistance to reconstruction across the South after the Civil War that ultimately led to Jim Crow segregation, Kettl believes. In some respects, he argues, red states are displaying a greater separatist impulse today than the South did then.

For now, Kettl sees the initial red state Republican goal primarily as consolidating these new rules and blocking any interference -- what he calls "an effort to build very high castle walls with a very deep moat." But like Grumbach and other experts on state policy, Kettl is dubious that Republicans will settle for imposing their values solely on the states now under their control. As the red states pursue a more consistent and coordinated course, Kettl predicts that Republicans will "try to impose [this] policy on the nation as a whole" if they achieve the federal power to do so.

Blue states such as California, New York, Illinois and Colorado have moved forcefully over the past two years to expand many of the liberties now under siege in the red states. But congressional Republicans while in the minority have already introduced proposals that would apply the red state rules across the entire nation on many of these same issues. The new social order red states are now sketching behind their "castle" walls may offer the best preview of what Republicans will try to impose on all states the next time they achieve unified control of the White House and Congress in Washington.

I don't disagree that the current Sup Ct is treating a dem presidents use of his executive powers differently that even Trump was treated. And in part, that's because the current majority views federalism, and congress's power to delegate power to executive agencies, differently than any Court since the New Deal. They are extremists, but big business (McConnell) and the Theocrats spent billions and billions to elect the Court.

But as the article notes, there's also an effect of corporate employers not finding Red States in the post Reagan era very attractive. Austin Texas is maybe the most extreme but it's not an outlier, Austin was a pretty socially progressive place ... until late. Columbus Oh, Des Moines, even I have a pretty good life in Miss.

In short, I think it's more than one cause.

 

[otto105]

A great look at a red shit hole state.

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