Records: Top IRS visited Obama WH more than ANY other cabinet official.

[The Rabbi]

OK, libs have now added a fourth excuse to the other three. On any scandal in the Obama Administration you can expect one of the following responses:

1) They all do it.

2) BOOSH!

3) At this point what difference does it make?

4) September was a long time ago.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Actually, Holder may very well be GUILTY OF PERJURY.

He, along with Obama, NO NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING. But in this case, Holder when shopping for the Wiretaps. But testified he didn't know anything about them.

WTF.

know

I asked you if Holder is accused of wiretapping anyone. You claimed that he did so. Please answer the question. Has Holder been accused of wiretapping anyone?

I know your tactics well Liberal. Change the subject, Divert anything possible, and then claim the other side doesn't know what it's talking about.

Administrative Subpoenas
The same argument holds against expanding the use of administrative subpoenas. These are subpoenas that do not go before the review of a judicial official, but instead are issued directly by law enforcement agencies. These subpoenas are increasingly being used in white collar cases.
Administrative subpoenas are usually issued by the investigating agency to a third party holder of the records sought: For example banks, cell phone companies and internet service providers. Furthermore, the federal statutes authorizing these extra-judicial subpoenas often provide the third party no sufficient grounds to object to the subpoena and almost all directly prohibit the service provider or record holder from notifying their customer that their records are being seized by a federal agent.
Originally intended for use in only the most extreme cases - for example terrorism, these aggressive and highly questionable investigatory tactics are employed far more routinely than ever intended. Compounding the problem are the barriers Congress saw fit, typically in the name of national security, to place on front of anyone seeking to challenge the use of these techniques in a court of law.

Which Holder used to get wiretapping authority, that he now RECLUSES HIMSELF ON.

Holder MAY RESIGN IN A BIT OVER THIS, but of course that doesn't matter to you. It also doesn't matter that they WIRETAPPED THE PRESS, and Holder is the leader of the DOJ who did this.

You are a Drone for the Libs and Obama. You don't care about the truth at all, and you HAVE NO HONOR.

I am on record here, dummy. If Holder is found guilty of a crime, I will expect his firing and prosecution. Honor? Are you ******* joking? You talk about honor?

 

[eagle1462010]

know

I asked you if Holder is accused of wiretapping anyone. You claimed that he did so. Please answer the question. Has Holder been accused of wiretapping anyone?

I know your tactics well Liberal. Change the subject, Divert anything possible, and then claim the other side doesn't know what it's talking about.

Administrative Subpoenas
The same argument holds against expanding the use of administrative subpoenas. These are subpoenas that do not go before the review of a judicial official, but instead are issued directly by law enforcement agencies. These subpoenas are increasingly being used in white collar cases.
Administrative subpoenas are usually issued by the investigating agency to a third party holder of the records sought: For example banks, cell phone companies and internet service providers. Furthermore, the federal statutes authorizing these extra-judicial subpoenas often provide the third party no sufficient grounds to object to the subpoena and almost all directly prohibit the service provider or record holder from notifying their customer that their records are being seized by a federal agent.
Originally intended for use in only the most extreme cases - for example terrorism, these aggressive and highly questionable investigatory tactics are employed far more routinely than ever intended. Compounding the problem are the barriers Congress saw fit, typically in the name of national security, to place on front of anyone seeking to challenge the use of these techniques in a court of law.

Which Holder used to get wiretapping authority, that he now RECLUSES HIMSELF ON.

Holder MAY RESIGN IN A BIT OVER THIS, but of course that doesn't matter to you. It also doesn't matter that they WIRETAPPED THE PRESS, and Holder is the leader of the DOJ who did this.

You are a Drone for the Libs and Obama. You don't care about the truth at all, and you HAVE NO HONOR.

I am on record here, dummy. If Holder is found guilty of a crime, I will expect his firing and prosecution. Honor? Are you ******* joking? You talk about honor?

HONOR is something LOST IN THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION and OUR GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL.

They SWEAR AN OATH TO THE PEOPLE and THEN PISS ON THE CONSTITUTION, and IDIOTS LIKE YOU DEFEND THEM.

Go to HELL LIBNUT.

 

[Freewill]

One IRS commissioner visited Obama's White House 118 times in 2010 and 2011. His successor also dropped in often.
But under George W. Bush, the tax chief visited once in four years. Time for an audit.

Mark Everson, who ran the IRS during most of the George W. Bush administration, from 2003 to 2007, apparently visited a single time, grousing that he felt like he had "moved to Siberia" because the tax collection agency was so out of the policy loop.

IRS Chief Visited White House 118 Times Under Obama, Vs. 1 For Bush - Investors.com

So what happened between the administrations that Bush IRS visited ONE TIME in 5 years..
Obama administration 157 times the IRS visited the WH!
WHY

Maybe they were discussing why tax cheat Geitner shouldn't be in jail.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I know your tactics well Liberal. Change the subject, Divert anything possible, and then claim the other side doesn't know what it's talking about.



Which Holder used to get wiretapping authority, that he now RECLUSES HIMSELF ON.

Holder MAY RESIGN IN A BIT OVER THIS, but of course that doesn't matter to you. It also doesn't matter that they WIRETAPPED THE PRESS, and Holder is the leader of the DOJ who did this.

You are a Drone for the Libs and Obama. You don't care about the truth at all, and you HAVE NO HONOR.

I am on record here, dummy. If Holder is found guilty of a crime, I will expect his firing and prosecution. Honor? Are you ******* joking? You talk about honor?

HONOR is something LOST IN THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION and OUR GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL.

They SWEAR AN OATH TO THE PEOPLE and THEN PISS ON THE CONSTITUTION, and IDIOTS LIKE YOU DEFEND THEM.

Go to HELL LIBNUT.

You seem upset. Are you going to substantiate your claim that Holder wiretapped anyone? Or....will you demonstrate "honor" and retract your bullshit statement?

Which is it? Do you have any honor?

 

[rightwinger]

No offense....but why shouldn't the IRS visit the White House?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Cue Obama Canned excuses:

I Just read about this in the newspaper

I'm shocked and I won't allow it to happen

Activate the Obama Context Filter

 

[edthecynic]

and why would anyone wanna even meet once with Barry? God he's so annoying!

Notice how even after it is exposed that their source made SUCKERS of them by implying Obama met habitually with Shulman when they only met once, they still have to attack Obama rather than admit that they were had!

SUCKER!!!!!

 

[The Rabbi]

No offense....but why shouldn't the IRS visit the White House?

And talk about Easter Egg hunts, right? That's all it was. Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[healthmyths]

No offense....but why shouldn't the IRS visit the White House?

And NO OFFENSE Taken!
But to have 157 visits when the previous administration apparently left well enough alone that there was ONLY ONE visit in five years by the comparable
IRS head.. just begs the question... WHY?

I mean revenue collections were up...
GET THE SOURCE HERE:Historical Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

1992 to 2000 total revenue $14.518 trillion Clinton
2001 to 2008 revenue $17.159 Bush HIGHEST EVER COLLECTED!
2009 to projected 2014 $14.767 Obama

So in spite of the stimulus jolting tax cuts in 2003
In spite of 1 million jobs lost due to dot.com bust, 9/11 and worst hurricane SEASONS not just hurricanes..all cost $8 trillion in lost assets.
And in spite of these warnings by Bush administration...
His administration was LAUGHED AT BY Democrats Frank and Dodd after 17 times trying to get Fannie/Freddie fixed!
"Over the past six years, the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of failure to reform GSEs but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. President Bush publicly called for GSE reform at least 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted. Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President's repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems. Many prominent Democrats, including House Finance Chairman Barney Frank, opposed any legislation correcting the risks posed by GSEs.

* House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-MA) criticized
the President's warning saying:
"these two entities - Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - are not facing any kind of financial crisis .The more people exaggerate these problems,
the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."..
(Stephen Labaton, "New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie
Mae," New York Times, 9/11/03)

* Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd also ignored the President's warnings and called on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," New York Times, 8/11/07)

Now A recent study released 12/12/12.. shows THE CRA was a major contributor!!!
" We find that adherence to the act led to riskier lending by banks: in the six quarters surrounding the CRA exams lending is elevated on average by about 5 percent every quarter and loans in these quarters default by about 15 percent more often.
These patterns are accentuated in CRA-eligible census tracts and are concentrated among large banks."
New study concludes that the Community Reinvestment Act ?clearly? did lead to risky lending | AEIdeas

So in spite of ignoring warnings Bush administration saw the highest revenue collections.

 

[eagle1462010]

Bottom line, Libs are trying to cover for the BS and ABUSE OF POWER FROM THE CURRENT ADMIN.

Denying anything and try to trivialize the whole dang thing. It is DAMAGE CONTROL after using Chicago style politics.

 

[rightwinger]

No offense....but why shouldn't the IRS visit the White House?

And NO OFFENSE Taken!
But to have 157 visits when the previous administration apparently left well enough alone that there was ONLY ONE visit in five years by the comparable
IRS head.. just begs the question... WHY?

I mean revenue collections were up...
GET THE SOURCE HERE:Historical Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

1992 to 2000 total revenue $14.518 trillion Clinton
2001 to 2008 revenue $17.159 Bush HIGHEST EVER COLLECTED!
2009 to projected 2014 $14.767 Obama

So in spite of the stimulus jolting tax cuts in 2003
In spite of 1 million jobs lost due to dot.com bust, 9/11 and worst hurricane SEASONS not just hurricanes..all cost $8 trillion in lost assets.
And in spite of these warnings by Bush administration...
His administration was LAUGHED AT BY Democrats Frank and Dodd after 17 times trying to get Fannie/Freddie fixed!
"Over the past six years, the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of failure to reform GSEs but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. President Bush publicly called for GSE reform at least 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted. Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President's repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems. Many prominent Democrats, including House Finance Chairman Barney Frank, opposed any legislation correcting the risks posed by GSEs.

* House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-MA) criticized
the President's warning saying:
"these two entities - Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - are not facing any kind of financial crisis .The more people exaggerate these problems,
the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."..
(Stephen Labaton, "New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie
Mae," New York Times, 9/11/03)

* Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd also ignored the President's warnings and called on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," New York Times, 8/11/07)

Now A recent study released 12/12/12.. shows THE CRA was a major contributor!!!
" We find that adherence to the act led to riskier lending by banks: in the six quarters surrounding the CRA exams lending is elevated on average by about 5 percent every quarter and loans in these quarters default by about 15 percent more often.
These patterns are accentuated in CRA-eligible census tracts and are concentrated among large banks."
New study concludes that the Community Reinvestment Act ?clearly? did lead to risky lending | AEIdeas

So in spite of ignoring warnings Bush administration saw the highest revenue collections.

The IRS is a Government agency not a foreign power. Bush never met with his anti-terrorism people before 9-11, is that a reason why Obama shouldn't?

Are any laws being broken?

 

[edthecynic]

Former IRS Commissioner visited WH more than twice as often as Eric Holder « Hot Air

1 time under Bush
147 times under Obama

Hell even Hillary Clinton only visited about 40 times


And don't even try the Obamacare excuse because Sebelius only visited 47 times.



This turd stinks people

Shulman only visited with Obama once and was only at the WH 11 times.

 

[The Rabbi]

No offense....but why shouldn't the IRS visit the White House?

And NO OFFENSE Taken!
But to have 157 visits when the previous administration apparently left well enough alone that there was ONLY ONE visit in five years by the comparable
IRS head.. just begs the question... WHY?

I mean revenue collections were up...
GET THE SOURCE HERE:Historical Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

1992 to 2000 total revenue $14.518 trillion Clinton
2001 to 2008 revenue $17.159 Bush HIGHEST EVER COLLECTED!
2009 to projected 2014 $14.767 Obama

So in spite of the stimulus jolting tax cuts in 2003
In spite of 1 million jobs lost due to dot.com bust, 9/11 and worst hurricane SEASONS not just hurricanes..all cost $8 trillion in lost assets.
And in spite of these warnings by Bush administration...
His administration was LAUGHED AT BY Democrats Frank and Dodd after 17 times trying to get Fannie/Freddie fixed!
"Over the past six years, the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of failure to reform GSEs but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. President Bush publicly called for GSE reform at least 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted. Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President's repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems. Many prominent Democrats, including House Finance Chairman Barney Frank, opposed any legislation correcting the risks posed by GSEs.

* House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-MA) criticized
the President's warning saying:
"these two entities - Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - are not facing any kind of financial crisis .The more people exaggerate these problems,
the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."..
(Stephen Labaton, "New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie
Mae," New York Times, 9/11/03)

* Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd also ignored the President's warnings and called on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," New York Times, 8/11/07)

Now A recent study released 12/12/12.. shows THE CRA was a major contributor!!!
" We find that adherence to the act led to riskier lending by banks: in the six quarters surrounding the CRA exams lending is elevated on average by about 5 percent every quarter and loans in these quarters default by about 15 percent more often.
These patterns are accentuated in CRA-eligible census tracts and are concentrated among large banks."
New study concludes that the Community Reinvestment Act ?clearly? did lead to risky lending | AEIdeas

So in spite of ignoring warnings Bush administration saw the highest revenue collections.

The IRS is a Government agency not a foreign power. Bush never met with his anti-terrorism people before 9-11, is that a reason why Obama shouldn't?

Are any laws being broken?

Don't know yet. Did Obama sit down with Shulman and say, I'm in a tough election this year. Those Swift Boat people killed Kerry and I dont want to let them do the same to me. You go and target all of those conservative groups and make it impossible for them to raise money. You find out who's bankrolling them and lean on them too. Here's a list to start. Report back to me and we'll go further"?

I dont know that he did. I dont know that he didnt. But if he did Obama needs to be impeached and removed from office.

 

[rightwinger]

And NO OFFENSE Taken!
But to have 157 visits when the previous administration apparently left well enough alone that there was ONLY ONE visit in five years by the comparable
IRS head.. just begs the question... WHY?

I mean revenue collections were up...
GET THE SOURCE HERE:Historical Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

1992 to 2000 total revenue $14.518 trillion Clinton
2001 to 2008 revenue $17.159 Bush HIGHEST EVER COLLECTED!
2009 to projected 2014 $14.767 Obama

So in spite of the stimulus jolting tax cuts in 2003
In spite of 1 million jobs lost due to dot.com bust, 9/11 and worst hurricane SEASONS not just hurricanes..all cost $8 trillion in lost assets.
And in spite of these warnings by Bush administration...
His administration was LAUGHED AT BY Democrats Frank and Dodd after 17 times trying to get Fannie/Freddie fixed!
"Over the past six years, the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of failure to reform GSEs but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. President Bush publicly called for GSE reform at least 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted. Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President's repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems. Many prominent Democrats, including House Finance Chairman Barney Frank, opposed any legislation correcting the risks posed by GSEs.

* House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-MA) criticized
the President's warning saying:
"these two entities - Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - are not facing any kind of financial crisis .The more people exaggerate these problems,
the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."..
(Stephen Labaton, "New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie
Mae," New York Times, 9/11/03)

* Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd also ignored the President's warnings and called on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," New York Times, 8/11/07)

Now A recent study released 12/12/12.. shows THE CRA was a major contributor!!!
" We find that adherence to the act led to riskier lending by banks: in the six quarters surrounding the CRA exams lending is elevated on average by about 5 percent every quarter and loans in these quarters default by about 15 percent more often.
These patterns are accentuated in CRA-eligible census tracts and are concentrated among large banks."
New study concludes that the Community Reinvestment Act ?clearly? did lead to risky lending | AEIdeas

So in spite of ignoring warnings Bush administration saw the highest revenue collections.

The IRS is a Government agency not a foreign power. Bush never met with his anti-terrorism people before 9-11, is that a reason why Obama shouldn't?

Are any laws being broken?

Don't know yet. Did Obama sit down with Shulman and say, I'm in a tough election this year. Those Swift Boat people killed Kerry and I dont want to let them do the same to me. You go and target all of those conservative groups and make it impossible for them to raise money. You find out who's bankrolling them and lean on them too. Here's a list to start. Report back to me and we'll go further"?

I dont know that he did. I dont know that he didnt. But if he did Obama needs to be impeached and removed from office.

Let's see....157 visits to try to figure out how to **** over the Tea Party

The best they could come up with was to send them some questionnaires to verifyi their tax status

That Obama is one shrewd character

 

[The Rabbi]

The IRS is a Government agency not a foreign power. Bush never met with his anti-terrorism people before 9-11, is that a reason why Obama shouldn't?

Are any laws being broken?

Don't know yet. Did Obama sit down with Shulman and say, I'm in a tough election this year. Those Swift Boat people killed Kerry and I dont want to let them do the same to me. You go and target all of those conservative groups and make it impossible for them to raise money. You find out who's bankrolling them and lean on them too. Here's a list to start. Report back to me and we'll go further"?

I dont know that he did. I dont know that he didnt. But if he did Obama needs to be impeached and removed from office.

Let's see....157 visits to try to figure out how to **** over the Tea Party

The best they could come up with was to send them some questionnaires to verifyi their tax status

That Obama is one shrewd character

That's of course a gross mis-statement of what happened. No surprise from a jerk off like you, Nutwinger.

 

[rightwinger]

Don't know yet. Did Obama sit down with Shulman and say, I'm in a tough election this year. Those Swift Boat people killed Kerry and I dont want to let them do the same to me. You go and target all of those conservative groups and make it impossible for them to raise money. You find out who's bankrolling them and lean on them too. Here's a list to start. Report back to me and we'll go further"?

I dont know that he did. I dont know that he didnt. But if he did Obama needs to be impeached and removed from office.

Let's see....157 visits to try to figure out how to **** over the Tea Party

The best they could come up with was to send them some questionnaires to verifyi their tax status

That Obama is one shrewd character

That's of course a gross mis-statement of what happened. No surprise from a jerk off like you, Nutwinger.

157 visits and that's the best scenario you got

I can see why the rightwing is so outraged

 

[mudwhistle]

The IRS is a Government agency not a foreign power. Bush never met with his anti-terrorism people before 9-11, is that a reason why Obama shouldn't?

Are any laws being broken?

Don't know yet. Did Obama sit down with Shulman and say, I'm in a tough election this year. Those Swift Boat people killed Kerry and I dont want to let them do the same to me. You go and target all of those conservative groups and make it impossible for them to raise money. You find out who's bankrolling them and lean on them too. Here's a list to start. Report back to me and we'll go further"?

I dont know that he did. I dont know that he didnt. But if he did Obama needs to be impeached and removed from office.

Let's see....157 visits to try to figure out how to **** over the Tea Party

The best they could come up with was to send them some questionnaires to verifyi their tax status

That Obama is one shrewd character

Some of you are too dumb to understand how this works.

Obama strings out their applications for years never approving them.

Where have I heard this before?

Oh yeah, all of the licenses for drilling.....never approved on federal land. All of the deep-water drilling companies had to leave the Gulf and move to friendlier waters off the coast of Libya and Brazil.

I knew I had heard of this tactic before.

 

[edthecynic]

Don't know yet. Did Obama sit down with Shulman and say, I'm in a tough election this year. Those Swift Boat people killed Kerry and I dont want to let them do the same to me. You go and target all of those conservative groups and make it impossible for them to raise money. You find out who's bankrolling them and lean on them too. Here's a list to start. Report back to me and we'll go further"?

I dont know that he did. I dont know that he didnt. But if he did Obama needs to be impeached and removed from office.

Let's see....157 visits to try to figure out how to **** over the Tea Party

The best they could come up with was to send them some questionnaires to verifyi their tax status

That Obama is one shrewd character

Some of you are too dumb to understand how this works.

Obama strings out their applications for years never approving them.

Where have I heard this before?

Oh yeah, all of the licenses for drilling.....never approved on federal land. All of the deep-water drilling companies had to leave the Gulf and move to friendlier waters off the coast of Libya and Brazil.

I knew I had heard of this tactic before.

There is nothing so shameless as the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood backing one lie up with another.

 

[mudwhistle]

Let's see....157 visits to try to figure out how to **** over the Tea Party

The best they could come up with was to send them some questionnaires to verifyi their tax status

That Obama is one shrewd character

Some of you are too dumb to understand how this works.

Obama strings out their applications for years never approving them.

Where have I heard this before?

Oh yeah, all of the licenses for drilling.....never approved on federal land. All of the deep-water drilling companies had to leave the Gulf and move to friendlier waters off the coast of Libya and Brazil.

I knew I had heard of this tactic before.

There is nothing so shameless as the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood backing one lie up with another.

Sorry, but you can't prove it's a lie because it's all true.

Let's remember the horseshit Obama pulled on Gibson Guitar Inc.

How about all of those dealerships he closed down, hundreds of them, when he took over GM and Chrysler.

The Dems haven't approved licenses for new Nuke plants and fuel refineries for over 30 years.