Recording of trump pressuring Wayne County repubs not to certify 2020 election surfaces.

[Lesh]

They didn't claim they were the Biden electors, they claimed they were the valid electors because they believed fraud had occurred and Biden only won because of it.

That isn't fraud.

That situation doesn't compare.

It sure as shot is fraud regardless of what they told themselves

 

[martybegan]

It sure as shot is fraud regardless of what they told themselves

Nope. If they pretended to be Biden Electors, you might have a case. Anything else is a political disagreement.

 

[MagicMike]

This story was already reported on over three years ago.

William Hartmann, 63, Michigan Official Who Disputed Election, Dies (Published 2021)

Trump summons Michigan GOP leaders for extraordinary meeting

Trump personally called two Republicans who now oppose certifying Detroit-area votes

But the actual audio recordings were just released.....proving that Trump initially lied about not doing it.

 

[Marener]

Their position was based on their belief of fraud happening that changed the outcome of the election in the given State.

Their position is based on delusions. They are not in charge to determining the outcome of the election. They had no part in it. They knew the election was over and the result certified for Biden.

Delusions are not a defense.

 

[Rigby5]

Trump Pressured Wayne County Republicans To Not Certify Joe Biden's 2020 Win: Report

Former President Donald Trump personally pressured two Republican canvassers in Wayne County, Michigan to not sign the certification of the 2020 presidential election declaring Joe Biden's win, according to recordings reviewed by The Detroit News and revealed publicly on Thursday. Trump made the...

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This man is a danger to democracy. He has used Mafia type pressure to intimidate election officials in multiple states.

That is just a lie.
The phase "Mafia type pressure" means threatening to kill.
Did Trump threaten to kill anyone?
Absolutely not.

 

[martybegan]

Their position is based on delusions. They are not in charge to determining the outcome of the election. They had no part in it. They knew the election was over and the result certified for Biden.

Delusions are not a defense.

They thought the election was fraudulent and presented themselves as alternative electors if the State legislature thought the same.

They didn't. End of political maneuvering.

 

[Marener]

They thought the election was fraudulent and presented themselves as alternative electors if the State legislature thought the same.

They didn't. End of political maneuvering.

The problem is that’s not what their fake documents said. You said that, but you don’t matter so go fuck yourself.

They didn’t say alternate electors. That doesn’t exist. It didn’t say “if the legislature”, that might have saved them.

And they submitted them to Congress with the hopes that Pence would use them in the certification.

So the problem with your defense of the fraud is that it’s based on a series of lies, not fact.

 

[Rigby5]

trump is anti-democratic. He is sleazy. He is Scum.

But still vastly better then someone like Biden who supported the illegal wars like in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Egypt, Palestine, Yemen, the Ukraine, etc.

Trump added to an already dangerously large national debt, but that was because of covid and he had no choice.
Biden added 7 trillion to the national debt to finance the Ukraine and Israel, both evil.

 

[Rigby5]

Their position is based on delusions. They are not in charge to determining the outcome of the election. They had no part in it. They knew the election was over and the result certified for Biden.

Delusions are not a defense.

Delusions also are not a crime.
Alternate electors are always prepared ahead of time by their parties.
It is only the state legislators who certify and transfer their votes to Congress.
So the opportunity for elector crime is zero.

 

[Marener]

Delusions also are not a crime.

Delusions are not a justification to commit a crime.

Alternate electors are always prepared ahead of time by their parties.

The fake electors weren’t claiming to be alternates. They were claiming to be actual electors.

It is only the state legislators who certify and transfer their votes to Congress.

Certification of the vote is done by the governor or SoS.

So the opportunity for elector crime is zero.

Fraud is a crime.

 

[Rigby5]

The problem is that’s not what their fake documents said. You said that, but you don’t matter so go fuck yourself.

They didn’t say alternate electors. That doesn’t exist. It didn’t say “if the legislature”, that might have saved them.

And they submitted them to Congress with the hopes that Pence would use them in the certification.

So the problem with your defense of the fraud is that it’s based on a series of lies, not fact.

Alternate electors ALWAYS exist.
All candidates have their parties choose alternate electors BEFORE the election.

And electors never "submit" anything to Congress.
That is done by the state legislators giving their elector results to their senators.
How could alternate electors "submit them to Congress"?
Do you mean like put them in a box and leave them on the steps to the Capitol or something?

What you suggest happened is totally and completely impossible.
It is a very personal process done by hand.
There is no absolutely way to interfere with the elector process.

 

[martybegan]

The problem is that’s not what their fake documents said. You said that, but you don’t matter so go fuck yourself.

They didn’t say alternate electors. That doesn’t exist. It didn’t say “if the legislature”, that might have saved them.

And they submitted them to Congress with the hopes that Pence would use them in the certification.

So the problem with your defense of the fraud is that it’s based on a series of lies, not fact.

Their documents said nothing about being Biden Electors, that would be fraud.

That was their intent, to present an alternative slate to the legislature.

And then to congress, who had the right and ability to reject them.

 

[Rigby5]

Delusions are not a justification to commit a crime.

The fake electors weren’t claiming to be alternates. They were claiming to be actual electors.

Certification of the vote is done by the governor or SoS.

Fraud is a crime.

There not only was no crime, but there was no possible way to commit a crime over electors.
The electors are requested by the state legislators to appear in their session, where they are asked for their vote, and it is recorded by the state legislators.
The state legislators know who the electors are, and they appear by specific invite.
There is absolutely no opportunity for fake electors.
State certification then is done by the governor or SoS of each state, but in public, at an open session of the state legislature.
Everyone knows the election results from the media, and what they expect the electors to then say.
Again, absolutely no possible opportunity for fraud of any kind, and never has any elector fraud ever been done.

The electors do NOT then go to DC.
Only the senators take the elector results to DC.
So there is absolutely no way for any elector fraud unless the state legislature, state governor, state SoS, and state senators are in on it.
And even then Congress would immediately detect any attempt at fraud, since they also know the election results from the media.

Anyone claiming any possible elector fraud is obviously lying.
There is no possible way to do that.
Fani Willis has to be lying.

 

[Rigby5]

It sure as shot is fraud regardless of what they told themselves

The state legislature knows the vote result and then invites the appropriate electors to their session for official certification.
There is no way for alternate electors to substitute themselves for the electors the state legislature is officially requesting to report their vote.

 

[BackAgain]

Trump Pressured Wayne County Republicans To Not Certify Joe Biden's 2020 Win: Report

Former President Donald Trump personally pressured two Republican canvassers in Wayne County, Michigan to not sign the certification of the 2020 presidential election declaring Joe Biden's win, according to recordings reviewed by The Detroit News and revealed publicly on Thursday. Trump made the...

www.timesnownews.com

This man is a danger to democracy. He has used Mafia type pressure to intimidate election officials in multiple states.

What a retarded OP. Of course, you simpletons buy it because you are told what to think. You lack any hint of an ability to scrutinize things, however.

Here is what they claim was “pressuring” and does like the OP blindly accept:

Not a hint of pressure in any of that.

 

[Marener]

Their documents said nothing about being Biden Electors, that would be fraud.

That was their intent, to present an alternative slate to the legislature.

And then to congress, who had the right and ability to reject them.

It was their intent to disrupt the counting of electoral votes and prevent any electoral votes from being counted in these 6 states. This is detailed in the Eastman Memos.

The fraud is presenting themselves as duly elected presidential electors. Not alternates. Not competing. Not challenging. It had nothing to do with the legislature.

That’s why it’s fraud.

 

[martybegan]

It was their intent to disrupt the counting of electoral votes and prevent any electoral votes from being counted in these 6 states. This is detailed in the Eastman Memos.

The fraud is presenting themselves as duly elected presidential electors. Not alternates. Not competing. Not challenging. It had nothing to do with the legislature.

That’s why it’s fraud.

"Memos"

They thought fraud was the reason they were the proper electors.

We can keep up at this forever dippy.

 

[Marener]

"Memos"

They thought fraud was the reason they were the proper electors.

We can keep up at this forever dippy.

They can think whatever they want, but they don’t have the authority to declare themselves electors for any reason whatsoever.

Memos are useful determining motive. Is a record of their intent to defraud.

 

[martybegan]

They can think whatever they want, but they don’t have the authority to declare themselves electors for any reason whatsoever.

Memos are useful determining motive. Is a record of their intent to defraud.

The fraud happens if they said they were Biden's electors. They were Trump's electors and they disputed the fairness and authenticity of the local election. Thus they appealed their case to the Legislatures which certify said elections.

They are also one sided sacks of dogshit in this case, with no verification and no counter arguments.

 

[Marener]

The fraud happens if they said they were Biden's electors. They were Trump's electors and they disputed the fairness and authenticity of the local election. Thus they appealed their case to the Legislatures which certify said elections.

They are also one sided sacks of dogshit in this case, with no verification and no counter arguments.

The fraud comes when they say they’re electors. There is no such thing as a ”Biden elector” or “Trump elector”. There are only presidential electors and they aren’t them.

If they wanted to appeal to the legislature, go for it. They don’t get to pretend as if they’re elected presidential electors. These are unrelated.

The memos are verified. We know they came from
Eastman, whom Trump was intimately involved with making these plans. He said so on Jan 6th at his rally.