Record heat in the southern hemisphere in a La Nina

No, skippy...
YOU are ignoring fundamental scientific laws to push your political goals.
Can you provide a credible source that demonstrates scientists are lying about the fundamental physics of how energy is absorbed, conducted, and mixed in the ocean? I’m asking for evidence that challenges the basic dynamics of how heat from sunlight or greenhouse gases moves through the ocean.
 
Can you provide a credible source that demonstrates scientists are lying about the fundamental physics of how energy is absorbed, conducted, and mixed in the ocean? I’m asking for evidence that challenges the basic dynamics of how heat from sunlight or greenhouse gases moves through the ocean.
Yes, every failed theory that they have presented, yet which you are still here parroting.
 
Yes, every failed theory that they have presented, yet which you are still here parroting.
I'm asking for a source that proves what you claim about science.

I've provided mine.

You won't find one, because you're literally misinformed about basic dynamics. Your ignorance isn't confined to climate science anymore. It's basic science in general.
 
I'm asking for a source that proves what you claim about science.

I've provided mine.

You won't find one, because you're literally misinformed about basics dynamics.
I just told you. Review the claims of YOYR heroes.

They have ALL failed.
 
Some of what you’re saying is reasonable from a policy and practical standpoint. Science doesn’t hand out policy solutions.
This isn't about the science. This is not a nice-to-know thing, this is a survival thing. So in this case, the science is just a means to the solution, but so far from what I can see, the science isn't certain enough to define the problem yet, so how can it offer a solution? Especially as painful a one as offered so far? Now because of just a few years of Joe dicking around with power companies over his "EV Mandate," many people are seeing a doubling and tripling of power costs in just a few short years.

Models aren’t magic; they’re just tools to synthesize enormous amounts of observational data and physics into forecasts.
Yep, I know all about models. Tricky, dangerous things. First you design them to predict what you can see and measure when you plug existing data into them. Then when you can run them back and let them go that they seem to predict the past reliably and deal with the present, you let them run forward to see what they say.

Then you get all kinds of results so fudge a few variables based on assumptions hoping one is right, then take the mean average as the assumed score for what is probably the best outcome overall.

And like it or not, bias creeps in and modelers tend to create models which end up telling them the things they want to know, in the way they want to see them.

I'd actually be curious to see what some AI computer comes up with, first in designing its own model of Earth climate, then what its results and recommendations are.
 
This isn't about the science. This is not a nice-to-know thing, this is a survival thing. So in this case, the science is just a means to the solution, but so far from what I can see, the science isn't certain enough to define the problem yet, so how can it offer a solution? Especially as painful a one as offered so far? Now because of just a few years of Joe dicking around with power companies over his "EV Mandate," many people are seeing a doubling and tripling of power costs in just a few short years.


Yep, I know all about models. Tricky, dangerous things. First you design them to predict what you can see and measure when you plug existing data into them. Then when you can run them back and let them go that they seem to predict the past reliably and deal with the present, you let them run forward to see what they say.

Then you get all kinds of results so fudge a few variables based on assumptions hoping one is right, then take the mean average as the assumed score for what is probably the best outcome overall.

And like it or not, bias creeps in and modelers tend to create models which end up telling them the things they want to know, in the way they want to see them.

I'd actually be curious to see what some AI computer comes up with, first in designing its own model of Earth climate, then what its results and recommendations are.
The models that this clown, and his heroes rely on, are not capable of doing a ONE DAY hindcast.

That's how dreadful they are.
 
I just told you. Review the claims of YOYR heroes.

They have ALL failed.
You keep dodging the question because you can’t answer it.

I asked for a source showing that the scientific literature lies about the basic physical dynamics of the climate system.

What you said is not a source. That’s not evidence. That’s not even science.

Here’s the core problem: you have zero empirical citations showing fraud in radiative forcing, ocean heat uptake, greenhouse gas absorption spectra, or energy balance. None.

You’re not arguing against climate science. You’re arguing against people you don’t like. And that’s why you keep losing the argument.
 
This isn't about the science. This is not a nice-to-know thing, this is a survival thing. So in this case, the science is just a means to the solution, but so far from what I can see, the science isn't certain enough to define the problem yet, so how can it offer a solution? Especially as painful a one as offered so far? Now because of just a few years of Joe dicking around with power companies over his "EV Mandate," many people are seeing a doubling and tripling of power costs in just a few short years.


Yep, I know all about models. Tricky, dangerous things. First you design them to predict what you can see and measure when you plug existing data into them. Then when you can run them back and let them go that they seem to predict the past reliably and deal with the present, you let them run forward to see what they say.

Then you get all kinds of results so fudge a few variables based on assumptions hoping one is right, then take the mean average as the assumed score for what is probably the best outcome overall.

And like it or not, bias creeps in and modelers tend to create models which end up telling them the things they want to know, in the way they want to see them.

I'd actually be curious to see what some AI computer comes up with, first in designing its own model of Earth climate, then what its results and recommendations are.
The key thing you’re missing is that climate models are not free form storytelling engines; they’re constrained by conservation laws, measured radiative physics, and boundary conditions from real observations. You can’t just fudge variables arbitrarily without the model immediately diverging from satellite radiation budgets, ocean heat content, atmospheric profiles, and historical climate states.

That’s why there are dozens of independent models built by competing groups in different countries, using different code bases, that still converge on the same core result. And crucially, the strongest evidence doesn’t even come from future projections. It comes from present and past validation. Satellites directly measure reduced outgoing longwave radiation at CO2 absorption bands, Argo floats measure accumulating ocean heat, and reanalyses show the energy imbalance already exists.

The models aren’t inventing the problem; they’re just bookkeeping the physics of an imbalance we’re already measuring in real time. Bias is always possible in human systems, but you don’t get the same answer from 40 independent teams across the planet for 40 years unless the underlying signal is real. That’s the part that separates climate modeling from speculative modeling. It's anchored to an observed energy budget.
 
The key thing you’re missing is that climate models are not free form storytelling engines; they’re constrained by conservation laws, measured radiative physics, and boundary conditions from real observations. You can’t just fudge variables arbitrarily without the model immediately diverging from satellite radiation budgets, ocean heat content, atmospheric profiles, and historical climate states.

That’s why there are dozens of independent models built by competing groups in different countries, using different code bases, that still converge on the same core result. And crucially, the strongest evidence doesn’t even come from future projections. It comes from present and past validation. Satellites directly measure reduced outgoing longwave radiation at CO2 absorption bands, Argo floats measure accumulating ocean heat, and reanalyses show the energy imbalance already exists.

The models aren’t inventing the problem; they’re just bookkeeping the physics of an imbalance we’re already measuring in real time. Bias is always possible in human systems, but you don’t get the same answer from 40 independent teams across the planet for 40 years unless the underlying signal is real. That’s the part that separates climate modeling from speculative modeling. It's anchored to an observed energy budget.

Yes, I understand all of that. Still, none of that does a thing to further convince me of the validity of the models, in fact, it decreases my confidence.

Thank god I'm far more interested in real science, otherwise, all this climate arguing crap would drive me crazy.
 
You keep dodging the question because you can’t answer it.

I asked for a source showing that the scientific literature lies about the basic physical dynamics of the climate system.

What you said is not a source. That’s not evidence. That’s not even science.

Here’s the core problem: you have zero empirical citations showing fraud in radiative forcing, ocean heat uptake, greenhouse gas absorption spectra, or energy balance. None.

You’re not arguing against climate science. You’re arguing against people you don’t like. And that’s why you keep losing the argument.
I'm dodging nothing, skippy. I provided you with what you asked. But YOU are doing EXACTLY what I said you would, ignoring what I pist, and then lying about it.

Because that's what you are, a Marxist liar.
 
Nobody cares OLD_DIRTY_SOCKS they are all off into the Epstein files looking to bash Trump with TDS_MAXIMUS. Nothing else is important but Epstein.
 
Yes, I understand all of that. Still, none of that does a thing to further convince me of the validity of the models, in fact, it decreases my confidence.

Thank god I'm far more interested in real science, otherwise, all this climate arguing crap would drive me crazy.
You're dismissing satellites, ocean floats, radiative spectroscopy, reanalyses, and conservation law as “not real science,” which effectively leaves you with only one admissible category: phenomena you can watch directly with your own senses in a simple causal loop.

That standard would also invalidate huge parts of modern physics, astronomy, epidemiology, and even engineering. Anything involving systems too large, slow, or complex for a tabletop demo.
 
I'm dodging nothing, skippy. I provided you with what you asked. But YOU are doing EXACTLY what I said you would, ignoring what I pist, and then lying about it.

Because that's what you are, a Marxist liar.
You're not giving me what I asked for.

I'm not a Marxist.

You don't understand basic dynamics.
 
You're dismissing satellites, ocean floats, radiative spectroscopy, reanalyses, and conservation law as “not real science,” which effectively leaves you with only one admissible category: phenomena you can watch directly with your own senses in a simple causal loop.

No, I'm only dismissing your bull. You see, just back in 2024, first we had a warmer than usual winter which the NYT announced as a sure sign of climate change, then just last year in 2025, the same NYT announced a colder than normal winter now as certain proof of climate change! People are just fed up with the crap where no matter what road you take, it all leads to the same conclusion, the one which repeatedly you fail to prove. "Just trust us" is the mantra.

100 years ago, our top scientists declared the Milky Way as the entirety of the universe, and they too had ample evidence to support that conclusion! Yet they were wrong. For 2000 years we were governed by well-established and proven euclidean geometry until a couple hundred years ago when Gauss came along and proved it all wrong, all limited to simple 2D surfaces, showed what lead to a curved coordinate system which fed into general relativity.

Quit trying to always make it someone else's problem... something I dismissed. YOU are the one with an extraordinary claim and which requires extraordinary proof.
 
No, I'm only dismissing your bull. You see, just back in 2024, first we had a warmer than usual winter which the NYT announced as a sure sign of climate change, then just last year in 2025, the same NYT announced a colder than normal winter now as certain proof of climate change! People are just fed up with the crap where no matter what road you take, it all leads to the same conclusion, the one which repeatedly you fail to prove. "Just trust us" is the mantra.

100 years ago, our top scientists declared the Milky Way as the entirety of the universe, and they too had ample evidence to support that conclusion! Yet they were wrong. For 2000 years we were governed by well-established and proven euclidean geometry until a couple hundred years ago when Gauss came along and proved it all wrong, all limited to simple 2D surfaces, showed what lead to a curved coordinate system which fed into general relativity.

Quit trying to always make it someone else's problem... something I dismissed. YOU are the one with an extraordinary claim and which requires extraordinary proof.
You’re conflating normal variation and public reporting with the underlying science. A single warmer or colder winter doesn’t validate or invalidate decades of temperature records, satellite measurements, ocean heat content, or radiative physics. Science doesn’t rely on media headlines; it relies on long term, reproducible, and cross validated measurements. Extraordinary claims are only extraordinary if they contradict well established evidence, but the warming trends, energy imbalance, and CO2 forcing are measured directly across multiple independent methods.
 
You’re conflating normal variation and public reporting with the underlying science. A single warmer or colder winter doesn’t validate or invalidate decades of temperature records, satellite measurements, ocean heat content, or radiative physics. Science doesn’t rely on media headlines; it relies on long term, reproducible, and cross validated measurements. Extraordinary claims are only extraordinary if they contradict well established evidence, but the warming trends, energy imbalance, and CO2 forcing are measured directly across multiple independent methods.
You like using that word, but I am beginning to think that, like science in general, you don't understand what it means.
 
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You’re conflating normal variation and public reporting with the underlying science.
I'm conflating nothing. In 70 years, I've yet to ever see any weather which was not within normal variation.

A single warmer or colder winter doesn’t validate or invalidate decades of temperature records
Fine, then show me a century of climate outside normal variation, show me a decade then. Just a few hundred years ago they had a mini ice age. Before that, they had the medieval warming. None of this can be linked to human activity. It is all part of normal variation. 8200 years ago, we had another freak cooling period; I seriously doubt the Mastodons were responsible for that. Nothing going on now is even up to that standard, so I'll ask again:

Get back to me when you have proof of your theories; right now, they're nothing more than that. I started out more of a space scientist, but it all ties together. Normal variation on this planet includes going from a snowball earth to palm trees at the south pole, so please don't sit there trying to tell me now that a few melting glaciers or a bout with an extra hot, dry summer is proof of the end of the world and reason why I need to go back to living like it was 1840 again.

Still, fine if we can naturally transition to cleaner energy. No harm, no foul. I figure we should accomplish that over the next 150 years. If we can crack the cold fusion problem, or any fusion at all, that will be a big head start.
 
Arguing with a fool is
considered a futile exercise that often makes two fools, as they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Mark Twain
 

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