Precise is exactly what it is. Whenever you see a radiometric date it should have the PRECISION included, e.g. 3200 years old + 50 years.
Reconstructing Q: Some Research Done
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Get the point?[/QUOTE]
You can't find oil deposits with a Torah.
You can't find gas deposits with a Torah.
You can't find precious metals with a Torah.[/QUOTE]
That is not necessarily true...In Genesis 49 Blessings were given to the sons of Jacob...Joseph was specifically given a blessing that he would receive the Blessings of the Deep that lieth under..The tribe of Joseph was split into two tribes Ephraim and Manasseh ...If one looks at a map of their tribal boundaries one would find that to the west where the boundary is the meditereanean sea huge deposits of natural gas have been found and to the east massive quantities of oil have been just found on the Golan Heights...Is this just a coincidence or can you really use the Torah to find oil and gas don’t be so closed minded...I always find that if you are this way it rears up and bites you in the Too too.. There is much more I could say but this is off topic and you were discussing Q so I will leave you guys at it...
You can't find oil deposits with a Torah.
You can't find gas deposits with a Torah.
You can't find precious metals with a Torah.[/QUOTE]
That is not necessarily true...In Genesis 49 Blessings were given to the sons of Jacob...Joseph was specifically given a blessing that he would receive the Blessings of the Deep that lieth under..The tribe of Joseph was split into two tribes Ephraim and Manasseh ...If one looks at a map of their tribal boundaries one would find that to the west where the boundary is the meditereanean sea huge deposits of natural gas have been found and to the east massive quantities of oil have been just found on the Golan Heights...Is this just a coincidence or can you really use the Torah to find oil and gas don’t be so closed minded...I always find that if you are this way it rears up and bites you in the Too too.. There is much more I could say but this is off topic and you were discussing Q so I will leave you guys at it...
I'm sure you're correct about the Talmud but there is very little in the way of Jesus' words. I believe in the entire NT there are less than 2 pages of quotes. Really unimportant anyway since the NT is not the religion of Jesus, it is the religion about Jesus.
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What I did was point out to you, who stated that the Bible was a bunch of myths, was that you have no reference point upon which to make your statement.I am agnostic, as there's no proof either way for or against a god. So no, I don't hate religion, and you've presented zero facts, just a book of myths.Your hatred for religion has truly marred your ability to follow a conversation.lol, man, you're seriously deluded if you think that you can crush geology with the Torah. That's the funniest thing that I've heard here in a while, and that's saying something!
You initiated an attack.
I enlightened you, much to your chagrin, that your complete lack of knowledge regarding the subject of your attack renders your attack meaningless.
You then lost control of your ability to follow a structured, logical flow of facts.
It's ok, you're not the first atheist I have encountered who throws feces at the wall at random and hopes that I'm not keeping track of their inability to express themselves regarding anything they hate.
Basing our back and forth chronologically you are dishonest about who stated what and when.
true-----little of the NT stuff can be attributed to JESUS----but that which OBVIOUSLY CAN------is very very consistent with
PHARISEE TALMUD
Guess what?
Strike 1...
It doesn't say In The Beginning.
That's a King James abortion.
Thats irrelevant.
As soon as a talking serpent is introduced the beginning of the story amounts to 'once upon a time'.
Do you really think that the beginning in genesis is about the beginning of the universe or solar system?
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There's no proof that the universe was made in 6 days, there's no proof of a flood that killed nearly everyone alive... making them all myths.What I did was point out to you, who stated that the Bible was a bunch of myths, was that you have no reference point upon which to make your statement.I am agnostic, as there's no proof either way for or against a god. So no, I don't hate religion, and you've presented zero facts, just a book of myths.Your hatred for religion has truly marred your ability to follow a conversation.lol, man, you're seriously deluded if you think that you can crush geology with the Torah. That's the funniest thing that I've heard here in a while, and that's saying something!
You initiated an attack.
I enlightened you, much to your chagrin, that your complete lack of knowledge regarding the subject of your attack renders your attack meaningless.
You then lost control of your ability to follow a structured, logical flow of facts.
It's ok, you're not the first atheist I have encountered who throws feces at the wall at random and hopes that I'm not keeping track of their inability to express themselves regarding anything they hate.
Basing our back and forth chronologically you are dishonest about who stated what and when.
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the same goes for the 'rationalist' illiterates who claim they can date events via DNA as well.
And we find yet again the un-educated 'rationalists' being reduced to basing much of their alleged 'rationalism' on their utter ignorance of allegory and on some babbling about the use of anthropomorphism as a literary device, another admission of ignorance and lack of real reasoning.
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Misleading rubbish. We know Paul was a Pharisee, and it's clear John was, but not much else indicates that they were all Pharisees, just some of them. Most of Jesus's sayings are based on the Torah; his premise was that the 'modern' Judaism of his time had strayed drastically from the Judaism of Moses. He was a 'neo-conservative' for his times. Paul and the other Christian leaders in fact rejected the Pharisees' strict legalism, especially re Gentiles; the Pharisees, like most orthodox Jews were obsessed with 'racial purity' and their own genealogies as a prerequisite for various priest posts, the Christian Jewish converts were not, they were advocates of catholicity and expansion of The Way, not making it some exclusive club for bigots.
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I see him as a revolutionary zealot. God had given the Holy Land to the Israelites and it was their duty and right to take it back from the Romans. His revolutionary message was mostly erased by those that followed him and had to live under Roman rule. What he said and did was not important anyway. As Paul said, the only important thing about Jesus was that he rose from the dead.
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The word Nah-chash doesn't mean serpent.Guess what?
Strike 1...
It doesn't say In The Beginning.
That's a King James abortion.
Thats irrelevant.
As soon as a talking serpent is introduced the beginning of the story amounts to 'once upon a time'.
Do you really think that the beginning in genesis is about the beginning of the universe or solar system?
Next...
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There was no sun for 3 days so what does the word Yome mean?There's no proof that the universe was made in 6 days, there's no proof of a flood that killed nearly everyone alive... making them all myths.What I did was point out to you, who stated that the Bible was a bunch of myths, was that you have no reference point upon which to make your statement.I am agnostic, as there's no proof either way for or against a god. So no, I don't hate religion, and you've presented zero facts, just a book of myths.Your hatred for religion has truly marred your ability to follow a conversation.lol, man, you're seriously deluded if you think that you can crush geology with the Torah. That's the funniest thing that I've heard here in a while, and that's saying something!
You initiated an attack.
I enlightened you, much to your chagrin, that your complete lack of knowledge regarding the subject of your attack renders your attack meaningless.
You then lost control of your ability to follow a structured, logical flow of facts.
It's ok, you're not the first atheist I have encountered who throws feces at the wall at random and hopes that I'm not keeping track of their inability to express themselves regarding anything they hate.
Basing our back and forth chronologically you are dishonest about who stated what and when.
I've posted this already.
You either have alzheimers or are intellectually dishonest.
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What you just posted was not proof. Please try again.There was no sun for 3 days so what does the word Yome mean?There's no proof that the universe was made in 6 days, there's no proof of a flood that killed nearly everyone alive... making them all myths.What I did was point out to you, who stated that the Bible was a bunch of myths, was that you have no reference point upon which to make your statement.I am agnostic, as there's no proof either way for or against a god. So no, I don't hate religion, and you've presented zero facts, just a book of myths.Your hatred for religion has truly marred your ability to follow a conversation.lol, man, you're seriously deluded if you think that you can crush geology with the Torah. That's the funniest thing that I've heard here in a while, and that's saying something!
You initiated an attack.
I enlightened you, much to your chagrin, that your complete lack of knowledge regarding the subject of your attack renders your attack meaningless.
You then lost control of your ability to follow a structured, logical flow of facts.
It's ok, you're not the first atheist I have encountered who throws feces at the wall at random and hopes that I'm not keeping track of their inability to express themselves regarding anything they hate.
Basing our back and forth chronologically you are dishonest about who stated what and when.
I've posted this already.
You either have alzheimers or are intellectually dishonest.
Satan was the shining one (Nachash). That was always my understanding.
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There was no sun for 3 days so what does the word Yome mean?There's no proof that the universe was made in 6 days, there's no proof of a flood that killed nearly everyone alive... making them all myths.What I did was point out to you, who stated that the Bible was a bunch of myths, was that you have no reference point upon which to make your statement.I am agnostic, as there's no proof either way for or against a god. So no, I don't hate religion, and you've presented zero facts, just a book of myths.Your hatred for religion has truly marred your ability to follow a conversation.lol, man, you're seriously deluded if you think that you can crush geology with the Torah. That's the funniest thing that I've heard here in a while, and that's saying something!
You initiated an attack.
I enlightened you, much to your chagrin, that your complete lack of knowledge regarding the subject of your attack renders your attack meaningless.
You then lost control of your ability to follow a structured, logical flow of facts.
It's ok, you're not the first atheist I have encountered who throws feces at the wall at random and hopes that I'm not keeping track of their inability to express themselves regarding anything they hate.
Basing our back and forth chronologically you are dishonest about who stated what and when.
I've posted this already.
You either have alzheimers or are intellectually dishonest.
The Sun (Baal) was not shining for 3 (ages) which is why I talked about this when referring to the 3 day resurrection of Baal through his son the morning star 3 days=ages later.
In the Baal mythology, Baal rose from death after 3 days(ages). Go back to where I mention these ages where Baal started and the age he came back in the new image son on 3rd day= age.
Baal and Asherah (Mother Mary) goes back to 5000 or more BC where the age(day) is Hunter / Gatherers - then the next age (day) theAgricultural Age: - 5,000 BC to 500 BC This was the age of rapid spread of civilization to all corners of the earth.
Then the 3rd day(age) Age of Trade: he Baal resurrected as the Jesus mythology.
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[QUOTE="Picaro, post: 18383236,
Misleading rubbish. We know Paul was a Pharisee, and it's clear John was, but not much else indicates that they were all Pharisees,
Yes---paul was likely a Pharisee. John who? ----who is
"all" ?
just some of them. Most of Jesus's sayings are based on the Torah;
Actually ----just about all that it is logical and likely
that Jesus said is based on the SCHOOL OF HILLEL
----Pharisee-----Hillel was a Talmudist who died at about
the same time that Jesus is said to have been born--
Pharisees quoted him all the time back then and orthodox
jews still do.
his premise was that the 'modern' Judaism of his time had strayed drastically from the Judaism of Moses.
No ---that is an interpretation by latinized Christians--you
got an example of Jesus claiming that the JUDAISM OF
HIS TIME ---has strayed. Not----"YOU ARE DOING
A LOUSY JOB OF IT, YOU SCHMUCKS" which is nothing
more than "Nathan, Jeremiah, Amos, Nehemiah, Ezra ---
in fact TYPICAL PHARISEE style" of rhetoric ?
He was a 'neo-conservative' for his times. Paul and the other Christian leaders in fact rejected the Pharisees' strict legalism, especially re Gentiles; the Pharisees, like most orthodox Jews were obsessed with 'racial purity' and their own genealogies as a prerequisite for various priest posts,
From where did you get the geneology bullshit libel?
Levites were levites-----it was no mystery and---nobody
had to present a family tree. BTW---I am a levite.
"various priest posts" ??? being a priest at that time
was not like being a priest in the church----it did not
guarantee wealth. In fact---Priests (for that matter all
levites) are denied ANCESTRAL LAND--quite a handicap.
It would be far better to lay a claim on ancestry
from the royal LANDED LINE----like Jesus did---
tribe of Judah----the rich kids. The one Jacob claimed
on his death bed as his HEIR
the Christian Jewish converts were not, they were advocates of catholicity and expansion of The Way, not making it some exclusive club for bigots.[/QUOTE]
try again-----they were expansionists like all Imperialists
which is why Constantine (genocidal animal) liked it
Picaro----sheeeesh----your paragraph is a MASTERPIECE!!!
You have managed to express centuries of sunday school
bullshit lies and misinformation and propaganda into so short an essay. Do not argue about sunday school----I grew up in a WASP town and did not have any exposure to "jewish" education at all----but some sunday school. Above please find a "point by point"
Misleading rubbish. We know Paul was a Pharisee, and it's clear John was, but not much else indicates that they were all Pharisees,
Yes---paul was likely a Pharisee. John who? ----who is
"all" ?
just some of them. Most of Jesus's sayings are based on the Torah;
Actually ----just about all that it is logical and likely
that Jesus said is based on the SCHOOL OF HILLEL
----Pharisee-----Hillel was a Talmudist who died at about
the same time that Jesus is said to have been born--
Pharisees quoted him all the time back then and orthodox
jews still do.
his premise was that the 'modern' Judaism of his time had strayed drastically from the Judaism of Moses.
No ---that is an interpretation by latinized Christians--you
got an example of Jesus claiming that the JUDAISM OF
HIS TIME ---has strayed. Not----"YOU ARE DOING
A LOUSY JOB OF IT, YOU SCHMUCKS" which is nothing
more than "Nathan, Jeremiah, Amos, Nehemiah, Ezra ---
in fact TYPICAL PHARISEE style" of rhetoric ?
He was a 'neo-conservative' for his times. Paul and the other Christian leaders in fact rejected the Pharisees' strict legalism, especially re Gentiles; the Pharisees, like most orthodox Jews were obsessed with 'racial purity' and their own genealogies as a prerequisite for various priest posts,
From where did you get the geneology bullshit libel?
Levites were levites-----it was no mystery and---nobody
had to present a family tree. BTW---I am a levite.
"various priest posts" ??? being a priest at that time
was not like being a priest in the church----it did not
guarantee wealth. In fact---Priests (for that matter all
levites) are denied ANCESTRAL LAND--quite a handicap.
It would be far better to lay a claim on ancestry
from the royal LANDED LINE----like Jesus did---
tribe of Judah----the rich kids. The one Jacob claimed
on his death bed as his HEIR
the Christian Jewish converts were not, they were advocates of catholicity and expansion of The Way, not making it some exclusive club for bigots.[/QUOTE]
try again-----they were expansionists like all Imperialists
which is why Constantine (genocidal animal) liked it
Picaro----sheeeesh----your paragraph is a MASTERPIECE!!!
You have managed to express centuries of sunday school
bullshit lies and misinformation and propaganda into so short an essay. Do not argue about sunday school----I grew up in a WASP town and did not have any exposure to "jewish" education at all----but some sunday school. Above please find a "point by point"
I have been told that the word CHASHMAL---now used for
'electricity' in Israel is a kind of mysterious word alluding to
a weird kind of glowing force
The Thing is most people cannot get their head around certain jewish concepts because their thinking is trained in a different direction....This is not a knock on their thinking but on the different ways of learning for example hebrew is written from the RIGHT Side moving to the left while English for example is Written from the LEFT side written to the right,,,Both start at the opposite sides and end up on the opposite sides...Sure there is some crossover but the directions are polar opposites..... Are we not taught in the passover Haggadah that all the DAYS of your Life are the DAYS of your LIFE but The time of the NIGHTS belong to the TIME of the Moshiach...... IF one can grasp this concept then they can then understand that is an Allegory alluding to a specific time when the Moshiach will come and replace the times of the DAYS...There are other deeper meanings to this but if one is going to take this concept as purely LITERAL then one will miss the deeper meaning .
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