Zone1 rcc vs the bible wow look at the difference!

[Mashmont]

That's interesting theory. IF the population is 200 million more than eighty years ago, of course there will be more Catholics, but an outstanding 20% less than there should be.

Don't lie, even with numbers, Mashmont. It's a sin. Confess to your priest.

So you admit there are more Catholics. That's what I said.

 

[Meriweather]

Here's a little trivia:
Another Catholic doctrine that has nothing to do with the Bible is commutation.
A principal contributing factor was money. Paralleling the rise of indulgences, the Crusades, and the reforming papacy was the economic resurgence of Europe that began in the 11th century. Part of this tremendous upsurge was the phenomenon of commutation, through which any services, obligations, or goods could be converted into a corresponding monetary payment.

There used to be a small pool in the Catholic churches where the members would throw money in for indulgences. When the church was empty, the priests used a special rake to get the money out. It is where we get the term, raking in the dough. Another not Biblical, but Catholic dogma.

Let's go beyond trivia and directly to Martin Luther's theses:

The only anathema in the entirety of the Luther's 95 Theses was his Thesis #71: “Let him who speaks against the truth concerning papal indulgences be anathema and accursed.”

Luther's theses was arguing that indulgences should not only be granted by the Pope, but by priests and bishops as well. In the Church, beginning with Simon Magnus, simony did crop up (and was put down) when some tried selling indulgences, which was already forbidden. Martin Luther rightly agreed this was wrong, and noted where it was being done.

Indulgences do not (and never have) brought about atonement. An indulgence is a remission before God of the worldly punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven.” (One might argue this is why indulgences were only given by the person who had the power to remit worldly punishment--which priests and even most bishops did not at the time of Martin Luther.)

 

[Mashmont]

None, nothing false.

I could list them, but there are too many. The first one right of the gate is the claim that the RCC discourages its members from reading the bible. This is an outright lie.

Your OP is not the work of God. Your goal is to encourage discord and division using falsehoods. Christians seek unity with gentleness. You don't do that.

"By their fruits, shall ye know them".

 

[Blues Man]

I could list them, but there are too many. The first one right of the gate is the claim that the RCC discourages its members from reading the bible. This is an outright lie.

Your OP is not the work of God. Your goal is to encourage discord and division using falsehoods. Christians seek unity with gentleness. You don't do that.

"By their fruits, shall ye know them".

Yeah that's why the RCC murdered Willian Tyndale because they wanted everyone to read the bible.

 

[Mashmont]

Yeah that's why the RCC murdered Willian Tyndale because they wanted everyone to read the bible.

That was Henry VIII who killed Tyndale, and he was no Catholic. Better check your history.

 

[Meriweather]

Yeah that's why the RCC murdered Willian Tyndale because they wanted everyone to read the bible.

Sigh. Who executed William Tyndale in 1536? King Henry the VIII who left the Catholic Church in 1534 and instead declared himself the head of the Church of England.

 

[Blues Man]

Sigh. Who executed William Tyndale in 1536? King Henry the VIII who left the Catholic Church in 1534 and instead declared himself the head of the Church of England.

And the RCC had absolutely no influence?

I highly doubt that

 

[Meriweather]

And the RCC had absolutely no influence?

I highly doubt that

Apparently you have decided and declared the Catholic Church guilty of William Tyndale's murder. Did you even bother to read the history? What William Tyndale did back then is what people do every day today in social media and in the news media without a blink of an eye. They make things up and change them to what they want said. That is what William Tyndale was doing with the Bible.

Didn't like that? Change it! Didn't understand something? Change that to something that is understandable. Get rid of this, add that. Happens every hour of the day in the modern world. But William Tyndale lived in the 1500s, and back then changing the Bible was called heresy, and back then heresy (fake news) was a serious crime. What mattered back then to Henry VIII, doesn't matter an iota today. It is openly practiced today.

Look at yourself. Henry VIII executed William Tyndale, but you happily announce in a public forum that it was "really" the Catholic Church. And you double down on it. So what. You live in 2024, not the 1500s, so it doesn't even matter.

 

[Blues Man]

Apparently you have decided and declared the Catholic Church guilty of William Tyndale's murder. Did you even bother to read the history? What William Tyndale did back then is what people do every day today in social media and in the news media without a blink of an eye. They make things up and change them to what they want said. That is what William Tyndale was doing with the Bible.

Didn't like that? Change it! Didn't understand something? Change that to something that is understandable. Get rid of this, add that. Happens every hour of the day in the modern world. But William Tyndale lived in the 1500s, and back then changing the Bible was called heresy, and back then heresy (fake news) was a serious crime. What mattered back then to Henry VIII, doesn't matter an iota today. It is openly practiced today.

Look at yourself. Henry VIII executed William Tyndale, but you happily announce in a public forum that it was "really" the Catholic Church. And you double down on it. So what. You live in 2024, not the 1500s, so it doesn't even matter.

It's all part of the same religion.

You people do like you distinctions that have no real differences.

But hey there are literally thousands of people the RCC burned at the stake for heresy. Hell the RCC even dug up a dead guy to put him on trial

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So you admit there are more Catholics. That's what I said.

You confess you are lying with numbers. Thank you.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So you admit there are more Catholics. That's what I said.

You admit the Catholics are loosing numbers in relation to the population, yes.

 

[Meriweather]

But hey there are literally thousands of people the RCC burned at the stake for heresy. Hell the RCC even dug up a dead guy to put him on trial

How many centuries do you have to go back to justify your hatred of the Catholic Church? Amidst the things that went wrong, how many of the things that went right must you ignore?

 

[Blues Man]

How many centuries do you have to go back to justify your hatred of the Catholic Church? Amidst the things that went wrong, how many of the things that went right must you ignore?

Not even one.

Sheltering pedophiles.

and it's organized religion in general the RCC just happens to be the biggest one

 

[ding]

Not even one.

Sheltering pedophiles.

and it's organized religion in general the RCC just happens to be the biggest one

Read the John Jay report, dummy.

 

[Blues Man]

Read the John Jay report, dummy.

Doesn't change the facts

 

[Meriweather]

Not even one.

Sheltering pedophiles.

and it's organized religion in general the RCC just happens to be the biggest one

I was a reporter at the time. Know what we found out? The same thing was happening to a greater extent in school districts. Your news media elected not to do the story about that. As Ding mentioned a day or two ago. Read the John Jay Report--but I doubt you will. It might get in the way of your hatred and denigration of Christianity.

 

[ding]

Doesn't change the facts

You don't know the facts until you read the report.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Read the John Jay report, dummy.

Stop that. The RCC and pedopriests has been a real thing for many decades and still is today. They have to be reined in and eliminated from the priesthood.

 

[ding]

Stop that. The RCC and pedopriests has been a real thing for many decades and still is today. They have to be reined in and eliminated from the priesthood.

Stop what? I never said they weren't. But maybe... just maybe... if you read the report you will get a true understanding of how many were predators (it's not as many as you think) and how many were homosexual dalences.

 

[Mashmont]

It's all part of the same religion.

You people do like you distinctions that have no real differences.

But hey there are literally thousands of people the RCC burned at the stake for heresy. Hell the RCC even dug up a dead guy to put him on trial

Are you serious? The Anglican Church is not the same religion as Catholicism. Henry VIII created the Anglican Church to suit his illicit personal desires.