Rape Victims Who Choose The Babies Life Over Politics

[elektra]

There is no social stigma on bearing children. There is one on having an abortion. So, when you talk about pressure being brought to bear on pregnant people to abort. It pales in comparison to the pressure. Social, religious, practical and legal that is experienced by people who choose not to go through with a pregnancy. Rendering your article sourcing a book that claims to be a study suspect.

You got that backwards, there is a huge social stigma on bearing children. Huge. There is no stigma associated with abortions outside of the church.

My article speaks specifically of rape victims carrying to term and thier overwhelming happiness with thier baby.

 

[initforme]

So the argument is for no rape exceptions correct?

 

[Lesh]

You got that backwards, there is a huge social stigma on bearing children. Huge. There is no stigma associated with abortions outside of the church.

My article speaks specifically of rape victims carrying to term and thier overwhelming happiness with thier baby.

I don’t know what planet you live on but on THIS planet there is almost no stigma to bearing and raising children. In fact iit is highly respected.

And the very idea that a man would claim that women WANT to bear and raise a child conceived by rape is …. Weird… to say the least.

Not that it can’t happen but I don’t see it happening often

 

[elektra]

Oh it can. Don’t be stupid. Ever hear of an ectopic pregnancy?

What is stupid is to think they perform abortions to remove an ectopic pregnancy. The abortion pill, suction, saline solution, forceps, forks, hangars are never used by a doctor in this circumstance

My finance had a ruptured ectopic surgery. I know all about them.

 

[elektra]

I don’t know what planet you live on but on THIS planet there is almost no stigma to bearing and raising children. In fact iit is highly respected.

Nice contradiction, I can do the same response.

Yes there is

 

[elektra]

And the very idea that a man would claim that women WANT to bear and raise a child conceived by rape is …. Weird… to say the least.

There was no claim made by a man. Women said they were happy they did not kill thier baby

 

[Lesh]

There was no claim made by a man. Women said they were happy they did not kill thier baby

You are promoting that claim. You are not a man?

 

[elektra]

You are promoting that claim. You are not a man?

I cant promote a claim when there was no claim made.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If that were even remotely true, the Rabid Right would have proof of it and be flogging the notion.

All you're doing is parroting the right wing lie that PP "promotes" abortion. It does not. Abortion is a small part of PP's services to women.

Furthermore, the notion that abortions are "profitable" for PP is utterly false. It is far more profitable for any medical office to provide pre-natal care to the mother and deliver a healthy infant. And the amount paid for "fetal tissue", is a couple of hundred dollars, at most.

The average bill for having a baby in the USA is over $18,000, plus your doctor gets another patient who will require ongoing care. Abortion is a one-time fee of $800. Which would be more profitable for PP to promote if they're looking to make money - $18,000 for prenatal and postnatal care, or $800 for an abortion?

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We saw an example of what Planned Butchercide does with a promotion of free abortions at the DNC convention. It's a sight of joy. 25 dead democrats. Nothing to complain about. If democrats could manage to kill of it's ENTIRE generation, it would be a humanitarian gesture.

 

[Lesh]

We saw an example of what Planned Butchercide does with a promotion of free abortions at the DNC convention. It's a sight of joy. 25 dead democrats. Nothing to complain about. If democrats could manage to kill of it's ENTIRE generation, it would be a humanitarian gesture.

You’re just a wonderful person and a perfect example of Trumperism

 

[irosie91]

HA!

I seriously doubt that this is true.

in the USA ---people may feel pressured--by the spouse, BF or Mama. But they are not
forced. ALSO it is considered UNETHICAL
(virtually illegal) for a doctor to URGE a woman
to abort.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You’re just a wonderful person and a perfect example of Trumperism

Anyone who supports fewer democrats is a credit to humanity. Including democrats who live for abortion.

 

[forkup]

I dont find your story believable in light of your other comments and the lack of information presented as well as all the other factors that affect a person. Some factors you would never know even if you lived with said person.

First off. I never claimed I lived with the person. My wife did. Second, I made it a point to say that I didn't know how much her mental problems correlate with what happened. Although I think it's safe to assume it did to some extent. Third I don't really care if you believe me. It's true but my point stands regardless.

 

[forkup]

Now you exposed your political bias. Abortions are not healthcare and the lack of an abortion does not lead to severe health issues.

Sure they do.

Zurawski v. State of Texas | Center for Reproductive Rights

reproductiverights.org

Moyle v. United States

fedsoc.org

 

[forkup]

You got that backwards, there is a huge social stigma on bearing children. Huge. There is no stigma associated with abortions outside of the church.

My article speaks specifically of rape victims carrying to term and thier overwhelming happiness with thier baby.

Lol. Sure. People think that woman shouldn't have children... right.

I'll tell you what.
If you can show any state at any time suggesting making abortions mandatory you can speak.
If you can show me a religion that says that having children is immoral you can speak.
If you can show me a state that purposefully makes care during pregnancy unavailable, you can speak.

Until then. Trying to state that people are forced to have abortions more than they are forced to have the child is just dishonesty or stupidity to me.

As to what your article speaks too. Again, the numbers sited are at odds with other information and I'd dare say logic.

 

[forkup]

Because it is a great article

Is it?

93% of the rape victims who aborted said they would not recommend abortion to someone in the same situation. Only 7% felt that abortion was a good solution in cases of rape. In addition, 43% said that they felt pressured to choose abortion by their family and/or by abortion workers.

Decision Rightness and Emotional Responses to Abortion in the United States: A Longitudinal Study

Background Arguments that abortion causes women emotional harm are used to regulate abortion, particularly later procedures, in the United States. However, existing research is inconclusive. We examined women’s emotions and reports of whether the abortion decision was the right one for them over...

journals.plos.org

Methods​

We recruited a cohort of women seeking abortions between 2008-2010 at 30 facilities across the United States, selected based on having the latest gestational age limit within 150 miles. Two groups of women (n=667) were followed prospectively for three years: women having first-trimester procedures and women terminating pregnancies within two weeks under facilities’ gestational age limits at the same facilities. Participants completed semiannual phone surveys to assess whether they felt that having the abortion was the right decision for them; negative emotions (regret, anger, guilt, sadness) about the abortion; and positive emotions (relief, happiness). Multivariable mixed-effects models were used to examine changes in each outcome over time, to compare the two groups, and to identify associated factors.

Conclusions​

Women experienced decreasing emotional intensity over time, and the overwhelming majority of women felt that termination was the right decision for them over three years. Emotional support may be beneficial for women having abortions who report intended pregnancies or difficulty deciding.


What do you suppose is it about being impregnated by being raped. That changes the regret of having decided to abort from overwhelmingly feeling it was the right decision, to 93 percent thinking it's the wrong one?

I think being raped makes wanting to abort an easier decision not more difficult and for sure not to the tune of a 180 percent shift. As I said, NOT LOGICAL.

 

[elektra]

What do you suppose is it about being impregnated by being raped. That changes the regret of having decided to abort from overwhelmingly feeling it was the right decision, to 93 percent thinking it's the wrong one?

I think being raped makes wanting to abort an easier decision not more difficult and for sure not to the tune of a 180 percent shift. As I said, NOT LOGICAL.

93% of the rape victims who aborted said they would not recommend abortion to someone in the same situation.

You are asking, you are stating, it is not logical for a mother to protect the life that is made from her. The baby is life and no matter what you think there is no denying that a mother's dna and maybe consiousness or spirit is a part of that life.

Life, I hope you agree, is something we are far from understanding.

 

[Lesh]

Is it?

Decision Rightness and Emotional Responses to Abortion in the United States: A Longitudinal Study

Background Arguments that abortion causes women emotional harm are used to regulate abortion, particularly later procedures, in the United States. However, existing research is inconclusive. We examined women’s emotions and reports of whether the abortion decision was the right one for them over...

journals.plos.org

Methods​

We recruited a cohort of women seeking abortions between 2008-2010 at 30 facilities across the United States, selected based on having the latest gestational age limit within 150 miles. Two groups of women (n=667) were followed prospectively for three years: women having first-trimester procedures and women terminating pregnancies within two weeks under facilities’ gestational age limits at the same facilities. Participants completed semiannual phone surveys to assess whether they felt that having the abortion was the right decision for them; negative emotions (regret, anger, guilt, sadness) about the abortion; and positive emotions (relief, happiness). Multivariable mixed-effects models were used to examine changes in each outcome over time, to compare the two groups, and to identify associated factors.

Conclusions​

Women experienced decreasing emotional intensity over time, and the overwhelming majority of women felt that termination was the right decision for them over three years. Emotional support may be beneficial for women having abortions who report intended pregnancies or difficulty deciding.


What do you suppose is it about being impregnated by being raped. That changes the regret of having decided to abort from overwhelmingly feeling it was the right decision, to 93 percent thinking it's the wrong one?

I think being raped makes wanting to abort an easier decision not more difficult and for sure not to the tune of a 180 percent shift. As I said, NOT LOGICAL.

Just more insanity from the anti-abortion lunatics

 

[forkup]

93% of the rape victims who aborted said they would not recommend abortion to someone in the same situation.

You are asking, you are stating, it is not logical for a mother to protect the life that is made from her. The baby is life and no matter what you think there is no denying that a mother's dna and maybe consiousness or spirit is a part of that life.

Life, I hope you agree, is something we are far from understanding.

I am stating that it's not logical to believe an article on a pro life website stating that more than 18 out of 20 regret aborting after being raped. While I can show a study that it's rare for women to regret aborting in general.

 

[elektra]

I am stating that it's not logical to believe an article on a pro life website stating that more than 18 out of 20 regret aborting after being raped. While I can show a study that it's rare for women to regret aborting in general.

The website did not make the study, did not pay for the study. I can link to a dozen different sites including universities, med8cal sites, etc.. Your idea that the study becomes invalid because of the website that uses it is pure partisan politics on your part.