Rape Victims Who Choose The Babies Life Over Politics

[EvilCat Breath]

Given that the vast majority of women seeking abortions are over the age of 20, and more than half are married or in a committed relationship, why would you be telling adult women, the majority of whom are married, the bullshit you just posted.

Only 6% of women seeking abortions are teenagers, you lying asswipe.

Legal abortions rate U.S. by age 2022| Statista

In the United States, women aged 25 to 29 years have the highest rates of abortion. In 2022, there were 13 abortions per 1,000 women aged 30-34 years.

www.statista.com

Nope. That's the spiel given to teens.

 

[elektra]

YOu were given the study results from multiple sources... not sure why you think you've made a point.

Actually, most of your posts sound like you are standing on your keyboard.

No, you presented opinions about a survey, nothing more. If you can find the study for free you would of presented it. It is a dauntingvl task to find the actual study. O know I have spent hours finding studies.

When I am lucky enough to find a study the facts within really show that the artickes are not accurate or intentionally misleading.

You have an opinion you think a quick google search substantiates

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Canada's healthcare sucks. Our healthcare attracts people from Canada that can not wait in a line for months.

Canada's health plan is DIE as quickly as possible. That's what the MAID program is for.

 

[JoeB131]

No, you presented opinions about a survey, nothing more. If you can find the study for free you would of presented it. It is a dauntingvl task to find the actual study. O know I have spent hours finding studies.

When I am lucky enough to find a study the facts within really show that the artickes are not accurate or intentionally misleading.

You have an opinion you think a quick google search substantiates

I provided a link to the study summary.... not sure I need to do more than that.

There is no hoard of Canadians coming here for health care. And on the rare occassion they have to (like an emergency), the Canadian government pays for it.

 

[elektra]

I provided a link to the study summary.... not sure I need to do more than that.

What you linked to is called an abstract. Summaries are at the end of documents and such, summarizing what you read.

The reason you now need the study is because you will find out that the article may not reflect the study or that the study is a bad.

I really dont care if you dont want to educate yourself but I wont let you make claims that studies you have not read confirm your opinion.

 

[JoeB131]

What you linked to is called an abstract. Summaries are at the end of documents and such, summarizing what you read.

The reason you now need the study is because you will find out that the article may not reflect the study or that the study is a bad.

I really dont care if you dont want to educate yourself but I wont let you make claims that studies you have not read confirm your opinion.

Ho-hum.... you got the data, you don't want to admit it's true... because you heard on Hate Radio a rich Canadian came here once for a private room.

 

[forkup]

Your link hss zero to do with your comment or my thread. Further you linked to an abstract, not a study. Too very very different things.

Your article which mentions a book as a study says this.

David Reardon, Amy Sobie, and Julie Makimaa1 found that 73% of pregnant rape victims chose life.

While my abstract. That's the conclusion of a study puts the number of people who choose to abort at 50 percent. That's a significant difference and very relevant to your thread. Since that's a significant difference.

 

[forkup]

Political interest? 45 years old? It is an article not the study. The study appears to be 4 years old, not 40. Every single website about abortion is obviously political because it is a political issue.

Nice try but all wrong.

Yes, political interest. The website is called liveaction and is solely devoted to the abortion topic. So yes, political interest.

 

[elektra]

Yes, political interest. The website is called liveaction and is solely devoted to the abortion topic. So yes, political interest.

Being political does not make it wrong. Trying to dismiss things cause they become political is wrong.

 

[forkup]

One part of this not being discussed is the extreme pressure put on girls and woman to have an abortion. And I mean, extreme.

First of all, the pressure you believe girls and woman are under too abort, is one of the premises of the OP. So saying it's not being discussed is odd.

Second, if pressure concerns you why do you site this article?

I know both from personal knowledge, and by the expediency of following this debate, that the pressure on woman and girls to not abort is much more severe.

I have a close family member that had a kid MUCH too soon. This under duress from her mother who was a devout Christian. The experience left her unable to have kids. And although it's impossible to say how much it correlates. She has SEVERE mental problems to this day. almost 25 years later.

Just the last couple of years, lawsuits have been filed from other people who were unable to get NECCESARRY healthcare from doctors who were afraid to get into legal trouble. Causing severe health issues. Over a dozen States have outlawed abortions altogether. Even before SCOTUS overturned Dobbs a lot of states made it hard to impossible for woman to get abortions in those states.

There is no social stigma on bearing children. There is one on having an abortion. So, when you talk about pressure being brought to bear on pregnant people to abort. It pales in comparison to the pressure. Social, religious, practical and legal that is experienced by people who choose not to go through with a pregnancy. Rendering your article sourcing a book that claims to be a study suspect.


As I said to Duke. I'm not nearly arrogant enough to presume to tell people how to act under the heartbreaking circumstances of abortions in general and rape and abortions in particular. That's why it's called pro-choice... the woman's choice, not mine. The simple problem is that the people who say they are pro-life do make that presumption. And are willing to use the power of the government to force people to heel.

 

[forkup]

Being political does not make it wrong. Trying to dismiss things cause they become political is wrong.

No, I don't dismiss things because they are political. It does increase my skeptisism towards the information. And when I then find other information seriously at odds with it, I will judge it unreliable.

I never use bias as dispositive. That would be fallacious.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Justice. Not murder...

Murder.

 

[Dragonlady]

Nope. That's the spiel given to teens.

If that were even remotely true, the Rabid Right would have proof of it and be flogging the notion.

All you're doing is parroting the right wing lie that PP "promotes" abortion. It does not. Abortion is a small part of PP's services to women.

Furthermore, the notion that abortions are "profitable" for PP is utterly false. It is far more profitable for any medical office to provide pre-natal care to the mother and deliver a healthy infant. And the amount paid for "fetal tissue", is a couple of hundred dollars, at most.

The average bill for having a baby in the USA is over $18,000, plus your doctor gets another patient who will require ongoing care. Abortion is a one-time fee of $800. Which would be more profitable for PP to promote if they're looking to make money - $18,000 for prenatal and postnatal care, or $800 for an abortion?

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[elektra]

First of all, the pressure you believe girls and woman are under too abort, is one of the premises of the OP. So saying it's not being discussed is odd.

Where outside of my OP is thier a discussion about the pressure to abort. I dont see this discussion.

It is not being discussed is accurate

 

[elektra]

Second, if pressure concerns you why do you site this article?

Because it is a great article

 

[elektra]

I know both from personal knowledge, and by the expediency of following this debate, that the pressure on woman and girls to not abort is much more severe

I know from personal experience and the opposing attitudes in this article that there is extreme pressure to abort babies.

 

[Lesh]

I know from personal experience and the opposing attitudes in this article that there is extreme pressure to abort babies.

Nonsense

 

[elektra]

I have a close family member that had a kid MUCH too soon. This under duress from her mother who was a devout Christian. The experience left her unable to have kids. And although it's impossible to say how much it correlates. She has SEVERE mental problems to this day. almost 25 years later.

I dont find your story believable in light of your other comments and the lack of information presented as well as all the other factors that affect a person. Some factors you would never know even if you lived with said person.

 

[elektra]

Just the last couple of years, lawsuits have been filed from other people who were unable to get NECCESARRY healthcare from doctors who were afraid to get into legal trouble. Causing severe health issues.

Now you exposed your political bias. Abortions are not healthcare and the lack of an abortion does not lead to severe health issues.

 

[Lesh]

Now you exposed your political bias. Abortions are not healthcare and the lack of an abortion does not lead to severe health issues.

Oh it can. Don’t be stupid. Ever hear of an ectopic pregnancy?