Ranking concerns about Healthcare reform?

[manifold]

Seems that a lot of folks on both sides of the issue have a lot of concerns about healthcare reform.

- Reforms aren't reforming enough
- Reforms are too radical
- Growing the size and scope of government
- Democrats having too much say
- Public option bad for private industry
- No public option bad for healthcare consumer
- Compulsory insurance too liberty infringing
- Compulsory insurance needed if it's going to work at all to solve the problem

What would you say are YOUR biggest concerns and more importantly, how would you rank them in order of priority?

Poll to possibly follow.

 

[KittenKoder]

Regulating choice out.

 

[WillowTree]

Rationing

Cost


500 billion dollar cuts to senior care = death.

 

[nodoginnafight]

So you guys have no ideas about healthcare?????
Just rejurgitated "talking points"????

It's sad when people lose the ability to think for themselves

 

[nodoginnafight]

My top concerns for healthcare reform:

An affordable option for the working poor
Getting primary care out of the emergency room

 

[G.T.]

Mandating that you purchase it.

 

[indianaboy]

Constitutionality.

Too bad Ms. Pelosi doesn't see that as a "serious" issue.

 

[RodISHI]

The thought of compulsory insurance bothers me. Instead of promoting a healthier society by choice our system seems to keep poisoning the masses, tax the masses into oblivion and then it gives the tax collections to the companies that are poisoning the masses.

For instance:

Fluoride Is Poison, Says Dartmouth Doctor



New evidence seems to confirm that by fluoridating our water, we are poisoning our children.



By Tom Valentine



More than two years ago, the court-killed Spotlight wrote about George Glasser, a citizen researcher who blew the whistle on the use of highly-toxic fluorosilicic acid from rock fertilizer processing as the primary source of community water fluoridation.

Now, a massive study of young children who have been subjected to fluorosilicic acid fluoridation in their New York communities shows that the water additive does not improve kids’ teeth and could even be poisoning them.

Until that time, most people were under the impression that water fluoridation used sodium fluoride, rat poison, a by-product of aluminum manufacturing.

Glasser, however, pointed out that more than 75 percent of the U.S. water fluoridation communities have been using the even more toxic fluorosilicic acid since the late 1970s.

Glasser was the first to stress the excessive toxicity inherent in using the hydrofluorosilicic acid residue that is removed from the industrial pollution control “scrubbers” in the manufacture of phosphate fertilizers.

The chemists refer to this material as silicofluorides and have now conclusively shown that the fluoridation material is linked to other heavy metal toxins that are found in drinking water—lead, arsenic, aluminum and cadmium for example.

In the March 2001 issue of the journal Neuro Toxicology, a team of researchers led by Dr. Roger Masters of Dartmouth College reported evidence that public drinking water fluoridated with fluorosilicic acid is linked to higher levels of lead in children.

After pointing out that since 1992 only about 10 percent of America’s fluoridated communities use sodium fluoride and 90 percent use fluorosilicic acid, the researchers stated that about 140 million Americans have this chemical placed in their water.

They also pointed out that sodium fluoride was tested on animals and approved for human consumption, but fluorosilicic acid had not been so tested and approved.

The research team studied the blood-lead levels in more than 400,000 children in three different samplings. In each case they found a significant link between fluorosilicic acid-treated water and elevated blood levels of lead.

In the latest study, the blood levels of about 150,000 children ranging in ages from infant to 6 were analyzed.

The samples were collected by the New York State Department of Children’s Health from 1994 through 1998.

Researchers concluded that the fluorosilicic acid-treated water was equal to or worse a contributor of blood-lead levels as old house paint.

Dr. Masters said these preliminary findings correlate the fluorosilicic acid water treatment and behavior problems that are due to known effects of lead on brain chemistry.

Additionally, a study in Germany showed the fluorosilicic acid water (SiFs) may inhibit the enzyme cholinesterase which plays a key role in regulating neurotransmitters.

“If SiFs are cholinesterase inhibitors, this means that SiFs have effects like the chemical agents linked to Gulf War Syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome and other puzzling conditions that plague millions of Americans,” Masters said. “We need a better understanding of how SiFs behave chemically and physiologically.”

Last March, Dr. Masters testified before New Hampshire legislators in favor of the Fluoride Product Quality Control Act. The bill would put the SiFs to a series of tests, and perhaps further research on neurotoxicity and behavior.

“If further research confirms our findings,” Masters said, “this may well be the worst environmental poison since leaded gasoline.”

The EPA admits it has no data on the health and behavioral effects of SiFs.

Dr. Masters asked: “Shouldn’t we stop intentionally exposing 140 million Americans to an untested chemical until the risks are extensively and objectively evaluated by independent researchers?”

And, the final insult: There is no conclusive evidence that fluoridation of drinking water significantly improves the teeth of children at all. ™

Flouride added to our nation's water systems come from the super-phosphate fertilizer industry and contains lead, arsenic and radium, all of which are known to cause cancer. Water Departments buy tons of substance annually that can't be given away because it is classified as a toxic hazardous waste. Cities are charged 35 cents per gallon when they slap a new label on the container, this same toxic waste can be shipped untreated, directly from the phosphate fertilizer industry. With a new label it is converted to a safe and desirable nutrient.that is actually poison. Someone neglected to tell the masses that flouride is actually a toxic substance that has been sold to them by compulsory regulations throughout the nation on a false claim it is good for your children and will improve their teeth.

Poisoned Waters

Also in the quest to grow more grow bigger grow more profitable corporate farming and genetically modified food is killing natural immunities.

"There is more than a casual association between GM foods and adverse health effects. There is causation," as defined by recognized scientific criteria. "The strength of association and consistency between GM foods and disease is confirmed in several animal studies."

The poisoning of the nation began years ago. We have a friend whose entire family from grandparents to sister have had cancer. The whole area where they lived had an extremely high rate of cancer. Studies showed the common cause was from excessive fertilizers (nitrates) in the water supply.

Grow big better and more for corporate nation killers and tax the people for the excessive health care cost after you have poisoned them.

 

[DiamondDave]

That the government has no business being in the business of wealth redistribution and handing out even more 'welfare' to non-contributors at the expense of contributors.... essentially.. the government getting into more of a practice of selective equal treatment

 

[rightwinger]

Constitutionality.

Too bad Ms. Pelosi doesn't see that as a "serious" issue.

Can you provide evidence where anything is Unconstitutional?

Just because you don't like it, or Fox News says so, doesn't make it unconstitutional

 

[nodoginnafight]

That the government has no business being in the business of wealth redistribution and handing out even more 'welfare' to non-contributors at the expense of contributors.... essentially.. the government getting into more of a practice of selective equal treatment

But they can be in the business of preventing us from this continued fleecing we are getting at the hands of the uninsured. They can pay for their cell phones and laptops and the premium cable TV package - but they leave the rest of us to foot the bill for their healthcare and so many go to the most expensive place (the ER) for their primary care because that's where they cannot be turned away.

Ohhhhhh but it's "not government's job" to prevent that??????

Bull.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

That the government has no business being in the business of wealth redistribution and handing out even more 'welfare' to non-contributors at the expense of contributors.... essentially.. the government getting into more of a practice of selective equal treatment

But they can be in the business of preventing us from this continued fleecing we are getting at the hands of the uninsured. They can pay for their cell phones and laptops and the premium cable TV package - but they leave the rest of us to foot the bill for their healthcare and so many go to the most expensive place (the ER) for their primary care because that's where they cannot be turned away.

Ohhhhhh but it's "not government's job" to prevent that??????

Bull.

Using this lefties logic- government should control all industry in order to prevent rising costs.

 

[DiamondDave]

That the government has no business being in the business of wealth redistribution and handing out even more 'welfare' to non-contributors at the expense of contributors.... essentially.. the government getting into more of a practice of selective equal treatment

But they can be in the business of preventing us from this continued fleecing we are getting at the hands of the uninsured. They can pay for their cell phones and laptops and the premium cable TV package - but they leave the rest of us to foot the bill for their healthcare and so many go to the most expensive place (the ER) for their primary care because that's where they cannot be turned away.

Ohhhhhh but it's "not government's job" to prevent that??????

Bull.

Have already addressed that many times.. but you guys handily ignore it for the convenience of your act

 

[nodoginnafight]

That the government has no business being in the business of wealth redistribution and handing out even more 'welfare' to non-contributors at the expense of contributors.... essentially.. the government getting into more of a practice of selective equal treatment

But they can be in the business of preventing us from this continued fleecing we are getting at the hands of the uninsured. They can pay for their cell phones and laptops and the premium cable TV package - but they leave the rest of us to foot the bill for their healthcare and so many go to the most expensive place (the ER) for their primary care because that's where they cannot be turned away.

Ohhhhhh but it's "not government's job" to prevent that??????

Bull.

Have already addressed that many times.. but you guys handily ignore it for the convenience of your act

Nope - you BELIEVE you have addressed the issue when in fact you've simply handed the bill to someone else ... big difference.

 

[DiamondDave]

But they can be in the business of preventing us from this continued fleecing we are getting at the hands of the uninsured. They can pay for their cell phones and laptops and the premium cable TV package - but they leave the rest of us to foot the bill for their healthcare and so many go to the most expensive place (the ER) for their primary care because that's where they cannot be turned away.

Ohhhhhh but it's "not government's job" to prevent that??????

Bull.

Have already addressed that many times.. but you guys handily ignore it for the convenience of your act

Nope - you BELIEVE you have addressed the issue when in fact you've simply handed the bill to someone else ... big difference.

No, asshole.. I have addressed the need to get this 'wagging puppydog good feeling' crap out of place and allow those who go without paying to be hunted and garnished whole hog... for those who approach ER's without proof of insurance to be forced to have an approved credit card or cash or booted out the door... for those who claim to be in need, yet buying smokes and Wii video games to be investigated and nailed like Workman's Comp crooks and taken for every non-essential asset they have...

It just not fit the snowjob you wish to try and play in your little act

 

[indianaboy]

Constitutionality.

Too bad Ms. Pelosi doesn't see that as a "serious" issue.

Can you provide evidence where anything is Unconstitutional?

Just because you don't like it, or Fox News says so, doesn't make it unconstitutional

Can you show me where Article I Section 8 permits national health care legislation? Just because you like it, or because MSNBC says so, doesn't make it constitutional.

 

[Vel]

The health care reforms being proposed do NOTHING to actually control rising costs. They simply shift responsibility of who pays.

The entire focus of " healthcare reform" is on health INSURANCE and FORCING people to do certain things. No one can seem to get past "insurance". If the government wants to involve themselves in primary care, let's look at expanding the local health departments and education assistance for new doctors.

People seem to have forgotten that insurance companies are private businesses and if you don't want to, you shouldn't continue to do business with them. We have reached a point that people don't even know what a visit to a doctor actually costs. They think a co-pay is the price of a visit. Don't you know if people were paying their own healthcare bills as they did since this nation's inception, that prices would start to fall?

 

[KittenKoder]

The health care reforms being proposed do NOTHING to actually control rising costs. They simply shift responsibility of who pays.

The entire focus of " healthcare reform" is on health INSURANCE and FORCING people to do certain things. No one can seem to get past "insurance". If the government wants to involve themselves in primary care, let's look at expanding the local health departments and education assistance for new doctors.

People seem to have forgotten that insurance companies are private businesses and if you don't want to, you shouldn't continue to do business with them. We have reached a point that people don't even know what a visit to a doctor actually costs. They think a co-pay is the price of a visit. Don't you know if people were paying their own healthcare bills as they did sonce this nation's inception, that prices would start to fall?

Exactly the reason I am against it.

I would love to be able to pay for health care without needing insurance ... that would be the best approach, make it affordable to all ... just get rid of the need for insurance. But ... that's not what the politicians want, they want control and money ... that's why they made this bill.

 

[MikeHoncho]

Constitutionality.

Too bad Ms. Pelosi doesn't see that as a "serious" issue.

Can you provide evidence where anything is Unconstitutional?

Just because you don't like it, or Fox News says so, doesn't make it unconstitutional

you sound like one of those "living and breathing" types. you just go with the flow, you give examples of when things were passed that people deem unconstitutional (and are) to support your eronious talking points. fact is, they dont have the power to do this, they dont care about the constitution. the constitution is a road block to the power they really want.