Randy Weaver, R.I.P. Ruby Ridge is not Forgotten

[Persuader]

How does a conservative board get saddled with such leftwing mods?

Where is the outrage?.....are posters getting too afraid to speak up?

This sort of language from a mod....entirely unacceptable.

 

[whitehall]

The FBI sniper was authorized to fire at will and when Weaver's wife appeared in the doorway holding an 18 month old child in her arms she was shot in the head. The FBI agent was subsequently indicted for manslaughter by the local Grand Jury and the case was quietly dismissed. Weaver was ultimately awarded a million dollars.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Today is the thirtieth anniversary of that murder.

The FBI's Gangsta/Gestapo/Keystone Kops behavior of late is nothing new.

 

[justaschmuck9]

Randy Weaver has passed away. Three decades ago, he was entrapped by an ATF agent. Federal agents subsequently killed his son and wife. The Justice Department denied that anyone’s rights were violated but still paid a multi-million dollar settlement for the Weaver family’s wrongful death lawsuit. Federal abuses at Ruby Ridge, the subsequent FBI coverup, and the outrageous arguments that federal lawyers made in court to protect the FBI sniper helped awaken legions of Americans to the danger of boundless federal power.

On August 22, 1992, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi killed Vicki Weaver as she stood in the door of a cabin at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, holding her baby. The FBI initially claimed that killing Mrs. Weaver was justified and then later covered up key details and claimed it was accidental. FBI chief Louis Freeh pretended his agents had done nothing seriously wrong. After an Idaho prosecutor indicted Horiuchi for manslaughter, the Clinton administration Justice Department swayed a federal court to dismiss the case based on the “supremacy clause” of the Constitution. But the Founding Fathers never intended for “federal supremacy” to nullify all of the Bill of Rights. Federal judge captured the soul of the case in a dissent that warned of the new James Bond “007 standard for the use of deadly force” against American citizens. Kozinski summarized the case: “A group of FBI agents formulated rules of engagement that permitted their colleagues to hide in the bushes and gun down men who posed no immediate threat. Such wartime rules are patently unconstitutional for a police action.”

Though the FBI insisted its agents had behaved impeccably, the feds paid a $3 million wrongful death settlement to the Weaver family. A top FBI official was sent to prison for destroying key evidence in the case.

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Randy Weaver, R.I.P. Ruby Ridge is not Forgotten - James Bovard

R.I.P. to Randy Weaver who was entrapped by an ATF agent prior to other federal agents killing his son & wife. Ruby Ridge is not forgotten

jimbovard.com

The fbi ,homeland security, Cia, doj ,irs, all of thier budgets should be slashed in half ....all striped down of manpower and stripped of much of thier powers ....

It be a good start

I saw a tv documentary on this..

When did he die? I thought he died a couple yrs ago.. not sure why i thought that but...

But hey, you know.. we have to "give the fbi benefit of the doubt"

 

[justaschmuck9]

Racist Aryan brotherhood piece of shit burn in hell.

wow... Are you campaigning for Most Charitable Christian of the Year?

 

[Zincwarrior]

wow... Are you campaigning for Most Charitable Christian of the Year?

Fair point.

 

[justaschmuck9]

Fair point.

whatever Weaver's beliefs, he had th right to have them

I don't recall him being charged with killing anyone, Black, White or whatever...

this is supposed to be the land of the free...

 

[Zincwarrior]

whatever Weaver's beliefs, he had th right to have them

I don't recall him being charged with killing anyone, Black, White or whatever...

this is supposed to be the land of the free...

He committed felonies with illegal firearms and was a member of white surpemacists.

However, what happened at Ruby Ridge is complete bullshit and government murder.

 

[justaschmuck9]

He committed felonies with illegal firearms and was a member of white surpemacists.

However, what happened at Ruby Ridge is complete bullshit and government murder.

i heard it was entrapment.. not sure that's what u mean by illegal firearms..

 

[Canon Shooter]

They killed his son for fun !!

No, they killed his son because he opened fire on them...

 

[pknopp]

No, they killed his son because he opened fire on them...

Do you believe people have the right to own and sell guns?

 

[Faun]

The Clintons are total scum who should be lynched in public.

What do the Clintons have to do with this?

 

[Canon Shooter]

Do you believe people have the right to own and sell guns?

Yes.

 

[pknopp]

Yes.

Well that is why the FBI came after Weaver. Selling some of his guns.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Well that is why the FBI came after Weaver. Selling some of his guns.

I understand that.

I also understand that the guns he was accused of selling were illegal. They were sawed off shotguns.

He also had a warrant for his arrest. He should've answered that warrant and, if what he was doing was legal, he could've sussed that out in court.

Once his idiot kid opened fire on the Marshall's the reason for them being there became meaningless...

 

[bodecea]

Randy Weaver has passed away. Three decades ago, he was entrapped by an ATF agent. Federal agents subsequently killed his son and wife. The Justice Department denied that anyone’s rights were violated but still paid a multi-million dollar settlement for the Weaver family’s wrongful death lawsuit. Federal abuses at Ruby Ridge, the subsequent FBI coverup, and the outrageous arguments that federal lawyers made in court to protect the FBI sniper helped awaken legions of Americans to the danger of boundless federal power.

On August 22, 1992, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi killed Vicki Weaver as she stood in the door of a cabin at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, holding her baby. The FBI initially claimed that killing Mrs. Weaver was justified and then later covered up key details and claimed it was accidental. FBI chief Louis Freeh pretended his agents had done nothing seriously wrong. After an Idaho prosecutor indicted Horiuchi for manslaughter, the Clinton administration Justice Department swayed a federal court to dismiss the case based on the “supremacy clause” of the Constitution. But the Founding Fathers never intended for “federal supremacy” to nullify all of the Bill of Rights. Federal judge captured the soul of the case in a dissent that warned of the new James Bond “007 standard for the use of deadly force” against American citizens. Kozinski summarized the case: “A group of FBI agents formulated rules of engagement that permitted their colleagues to hide in the bushes and gun down men who posed no immediate threat. Such wartime rules are patently unconstitutional for a police action.”

Though the FBI insisted its agents had behaved impeccably, the feds paid a $3 million wrongful death settlement to the Weaver family. A top FBI official was sent to prison for destroying key evidence in the case.

Read it all

Randy Weaver, R.I.P. Ruby Ridge is not Forgotten - James Bovard

R.I.P. to Randy Weaver who was entrapped by an ATF agent prior to other federal agents killing his son & wife. Ruby Ridge is not forgotten

jimbovard.com

The fbi ,homeland security, Cia, doj ,irs, all of thier budgets should be slashed in half ....all striped down of manpower and stripped of much of thier powers ....

It be a good start

We've not forgotten Oklahoma City, and the child care center blown up by Righties.

 

[pknopp]

I understand that.

I also understand that the guns he was accused of selling were illegal. They were sawed off shotguns.

He also had a warrant for his arrest. He should've answered that warrant and, if what he was doing was legal, he could've sussed that out in court.

Once his idiot kid opened fire on the Marshall's the reason for them being there became meaningless...

It wasn't legal at the time. There was no reason for it not being legal.

 

[miketx]

You want to defund the police?

You'll note, they didn't actually say that. You know, some people just need to do what they are told.

He noted Federal programs.

The federal police are not police? Why do you guys want to defund the police?

This has been covered endlessly.

The OP must be part of the "skank squad". Is that the one you caught VD from?

Hey...if you want to defund the police, that's your business. Biden doesn't

Meanwhile back in reality...most of the people who supported the blob in 2016 and 2020 when he didn't get the plurality of the popular vote in either case voted for W whose administration authored the DHS and Patriot act.

Were you one of them or did you vote for Gore?

Racist Aryan brotherhood piece of shit burn in hell.

The communists have joined in.

 

[miketx]

It wasn't legal at the time. There was no reason for it not being legal.

Wonder why they dropped the charges, commie?

 

[Canon Shooter]

It wasn't legal at the time.

The shotguns?

Yes, I know they were illegal...

There was no reason for it not being legal.

That may be your opinion, but your opinion doesn't matter. The law stated differently.

What Weaver should've done was surrender. He chose to fight, though, and his family was killed as a direct result of that decision...