Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid

[docmauser1]

Why is that a bad thing?

It's an infidel shop.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Second time Paul has sought to eliminate aid to PA

Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) introduced a bill late Tuesday that would fully eliminate U.S. aid to the Palestinians until their leadership withdraws a controversial bid to join the International Criminal Court (ICC), according to a copy of the legislation exclusively obtained by the Free Beacon.

Paul’s bill comes on the heels of a bid by the Palestinian Authority and its President Mahmoud Abbas to win a seat on the ICC, which would allow the Palestinians to inundate the court with charges against Israel for so-called war crimes and other perceived infractions.

The new bill also responds to a direct request from Israel that Congress immediately punish the Palestinians for circumventing the peace process and pursuing action against Israel on the world stage.

Paul’s bill, the Defend Israel by Defunding Palestinian Foreign Aid Act of 2015, would freeze $440 million in aid that is annually sent to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and its affiliates.

Virtually all channels for aid disbursement to the PA would be choked off under the bill, according to the legislation.

The bill stipulates that “no amounts” of money can be “obligated or expended to provide any assistance, loan guarantee, or debt relief to the Palestinian Authority, or any affiliated governing entity, until the Palestinian Authority withdraws its request to join the International Criminal Court,” according to the legislation.

The legislation also would tighten existing regulations government how aid is disbursed to the PA.

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid Washington Free Beacon

Not going to happen.

 

[docmauser1]

Second time Paul has sought to eliminate aid to PA

Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) introduced a bill late Tuesday that would fully eliminate U.S. aid to the Palestinians until their leadership withdraws a controversial bid to join the International Criminal Court (ICC), according to a copy of the legislation exclusively obtained by the Free Beacon.

Paul’s bill comes on the heels of a bid by the Palestinian Authority and its President Mahmoud Abbas to win a seat on the ICC, which would allow the Palestinians to inundate the court with charges against Israel for so-called war crimes and other perceived infractions.

The new bill also responds to a direct request from Israel that Congress immediately punish the Palestinians for circumventing the peace process and pursuing action against Israel on the world stage.

Paul’s bill, the Defend Israel by Defunding Palestinian Foreign Aid Act of 2015, would freeze $440 million in aid that is annually sent to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and its affiliates.

Virtually all channels for aid disbursement to the PA would be choked off under the bill, according to the legislation.

The bill stipulates that “no amounts” of money can be “obligated or expended to provide any assistance, loan guarantee, or debt relief to the Palestinian Authority, or any affiliated governing entity, until the Palestinian Authority withdraws its request to join the International Criminal Court,” according to the legislation.

The legislation also would tighten existing regulations government how aid is disbursed to the PA.

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid Washington Free Beacon

Not going to happen.

Arab lobby at work?

 

[Jroc]

Second time Paul has sought to eliminate aid to PA

Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) introduced a bill late Tuesday that would fully eliminate U.S. aid to the Palestinians until their leadership withdraws a controversial bid to join the International Criminal Court (ICC), according to a copy of the legislation exclusively obtained by the Free Beacon.

Paul’s bill comes on the heels of a bid by the Palestinian Authority and its President Mahmoud Abbas to win a seat on the ICC, which would allow the Palestinians to inundate the court with charges against Israel for so-called war crimes and other perceived infractions.

The new bill also responds to a direct request from Israel that Congress immediately punish the Palestinians for circumventing the peace process and pursuing action against Israel on the world stage.

Paul’s bill, the Defend Israel by Defunding Palestinian Foreign Aid Act of 2015, would freeze $440 million in aid that is annually sent to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and its affiliates.

Virtually all channels for aid disbursement to the PA would be choked off under the bill, according to the legislation.

The bill stipulates that “no amounts” of money can be “obligated or expended to provide any assistance, loan guarantee, or debt relief to the Palestinian Authority, or any affiliated governing entity, until the Palestinian Authority withdraws its request to join the International Criminal Court,” according to the legislation.

The legislation also would tighten existing regulations government how aid is disbursed to the PA.

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid Washington Free Beacon

Not going to happen.

yeah we'll see congress is not so "Palestinian" friendly as Obama

 

[P F Tinmore]

Second time Paul has sought to eliminate aid to PA

Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) introduced a bill late Tuesday that would fully eliminate U.S. aid to the Palestinians until their leadership withdraws a controversial bid to join the International Criminal Court (ICC), according to a copy of the legislation exclusively obtained by the Free Beacon.

Paul’s bill comes on the heels of a bid by the Palestinian Authority and its President Mahmoud Abbas to win a seat on the ICC, which would allow the Palestinians to inundate the court with charges against Israel for so-called war crimes and other perceived infractions.

The new bill also responds to a direct request from Israel that Congress immediately punish the Palestinians for circumventing the peace process and pursuing action against Israel on the world stage.

Paul’s bill, the Defend Israel by Defunding Palestinian Foreign Aid Act of 2015, would freeze $440 million in aid that is annually sent to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and its affiliates.

Virtually all channels for aid disbursement to the PA would be choked off under the bill, according to the legislation.

The bill stipulates that “no amounts” of money can be “obligated or expended to provide any assistance, loan guarantee, or debt relief to the Palestinian Authority, or any affiliated governing entity, until the Palestinian Authority withdraws its request to join the International Criminal Court,” according to the legislation.

The legislation also would tighten existing regulations government how aid is disbursed to the PA.

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid Washington Free Beacon

Not going to happen.

yeah we'll see congress is not so "Palestinian" friendly as Obama

Not at all. Most of that money is for Israel's benefit.

 

[toastman]

Second time Paul has sought to eliminate aid to PA

Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) introduced a bill late Tuesday that would fully eliminate U.S. aid to the Palestinians until their leadership withdraws a controversial bid to join the International Criminal Court (ICC), according to a copy of the legislation exclusively obtained by the Free Beacon.

Paul’s bill comes on the heels of a bid by the Palestinian Authority and its President Mahmoud Abbas to win a seat on the ICC, which would allow the Palestinians to inundate the court with charges against Israel for so-called war crimes and other perceived infractions.

The new bill also responds to a direct request from Israel that Congress immediately punish the Palestinians for circumventing the peace process and pursuing action against Israel on the world stage.

Paul’s bill, the Defend Israel by Defunding Palestinian Foreign Aid Act of 2015, would freeze $440 million in aid that is annually sent to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and its affiliates.

Virtually all channels for aid disbursement to the PA would be choked off under the bill, according to the legislation.

The bill stipulates that “no amounts” of money can be “obligated or expended to provide any assistance, loan guarantee, or debt relief to the Palestinian Authority, or any affiliated governing entity, until the Palestinian Authority withdraws its request to join the International Criminal Court,” according to the legislation.

The legislation also would tighten existing regulations government how aid is disbursed to the PA.

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid Washington Free Beacon

Not going to happen.

yeah we'll see congress is not so "Palestinian" friendly as Obama

Not at all. Most of that money is for Israel's benefit.

AID that goes to the Palestinians is to benefit Israel ??? Can you prove that ?

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

It will be interesting to see what the Palestinians actually do come 15 April (2015).

There are several Big Questions that will come into play.

When to they count the State of Palestine as being an actual "State."

• Do we count from A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988?
• Do we count from A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012?

If the Oslo Accords (1993/1997) are considered inactive ---- and the Palestinian Authority was the interim self-government body established by the Oslo Accords to govern Areas A and B of the West Bank and Gaza Strip as a consequence of the Oslo Accords, ---- then is there such a thing as the Palestinian National Authority?

• Oslo I --- Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements ---- A/48/486 S/26560 11 October 1993
• Oslo II --- Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip --- A/51/889 S/1997/357 5 May 1997

The Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2014 - Makes appropriations for FY2014.

(Sec. 7036) Prohibits, with a national security interest waiver, the use of funds under titles III through VI of this Act from being used to support a Palestinian state unless the Secretary certifies to Congress that:

(1) the Palestinian governing entity has demonstrated a commitment to peaceful coexistence with Israel and is taking measures to counter terrorism, and
(2) the Palestinian Authority (PA) or a new governing entity is working to establish a lasting peace in the Middle East.​

Prohibits the availability of Economic Support Fund assistance under this Act for the PA if:

(1) the Palestinians obtain the same standing as a United Nations (U.N.) member state or full membership in the U.N. or any specialized U.N. agency outside an agreement negotiated between Israel and the Palestinians; or
(2) the Palestinians initiate an International Criminal Court (ICC) investigation, or actively support such an investigation, that subjects Israeli nationals to an investigation for alleged crimes against Palestinians.​

The Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act of 2006 (PATA), P.L. 109-446: sets conditions:

‘(1) no ministry, agency, or instrumentality of the Palestinian Authority is effectively controlled by Hamas, unless the Hamas-controlled Palestinian Authority has—

‘‘(A) publicly acknowledged the Jewish state of Israel’s right to exist; and
‘‘(B) committed itself and is adhering to all previous agreements and understandings with the United States Government, with the Government of Israel, and with the international community, including agreements and understandings pursuant to the Performance-Based Roadmap to a Permanent Two-State Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (commonly referred to as the ‘Roadmap’); and ‘‘​

(2) the Hamas-controlled Palestinian Authority has made demonstrable progress toward—

‘‘(A) completing the process of purging from its security services individuals with ties to terrorism;
‘‘(B) dismantling all terrorist infrastructure within its jurisdiction, confiscating unauthorized weapons, arresting and bringing terrorists to justice, destroying unauthorized arms factories, thwarting and preempting terrorist attacks, and fully cooperating with Israel’s security services;
‘‘(C) halting all anti-American and anti-Israel incitement in Palestinian Authority-controlled electronic and print media and in schools, mosques, and other institutions it controls, and replacing educational materials, including textbooks, with materials that promote peace, tolerance, and coexistence with Israel;
‘‘(D) ensuring democracy, the rule of law, and an independent judiciary, and adopting other reforms such as ensuring transparent and accountable governance; and ‘‘(E) ensuring the financial transparency and accountability of all government ministries and operations.​

It will be interesting to see exactly how the Palestinians react when the consequences of their actions come due.

I actually wish that the Palestinian Authority and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas would quite threatening --- and --- actually do something. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out. It will be important to see what happens internationally when the Palestinian Authority looses US Aid and what impact that will have.

It will also go a long way to answering many questions concerning the Palestinian hostile actions and the processes they have used to circumvent the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States and the misuse of the Customary International Humanitarian Law to further terrorist activities.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Second time Paul has sought to eliminate aid to PA

Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) introduced a bill late Tuesday that would fully eliminate U.S. aid to the Palestinians until their leadership withdraws a controversial bid to join the International Criminal Court (ICC), according to a copy of the legislation exclusively obtained by the Free Beacon.

Paul’s bill comes on the heels of a bid by the Palestinian Authority and its President Mahmoud Abbas to win a seat on the ICC, which would allow the Palestinians to inundate the court with charges against Israel for so-called war crimes and other perceived infractions.

The new bill also responds to a direct request from Israel that Congress immediately punish the Palestinians for circumventing the peace process and pursuing action against Israel on the world stage.

Paul’s bill, the Defend Israel by Defunding Palestinian Foreign Aid Act of 2015, would freeze $440 million in aid that is annually sent to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and its affiliates.

Virtually all channels for aid disbursement to the PA would be choked off under the bill, according to the legislation.

The bill stipulates that “no amounts” of money can be “obligated or expended to provide any assistance, loan guarantee, or debt relief to the Palestinian Authority, or any affiliated governing entity, until the Palestinian Authority withdraws its request to join the International Criminal Court,” according to the legislation.

The legislation also would tighten existing regulations government how aid is disbursed to the PA.

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid Washington Free Beacon

Not going to happen.

yeah we'll see congress is not so "Palestinian" friendly as Obama

Not at all. Most of that money is for Israel's benefit.

AID that goes to the Palestinians is to benefit Israel ??? Can you prove that ?

Sure. Much ot that money is for the PA's security forces.

Criticism of the PA’s security coordination with Israel is not new. But recent events demonstrate the egregiousness of the double standard: warm ties with Israeli security set against an iron hand with its people. As a result, a range of voices—men and women, political dissidents and reformers, former prisoners and militants, activists and journalists—have put forward unprecedented criticisms and condemnations of the PA and its security forces. Indeed, for a large segment of the Palestinians, the PA security sector is now viewed as an extension of the occupation. In reaction to PA actions, critics now regularly level charges of treason and betrayal.

The Beginning of the End of Palestinian Security Coordination with Israel ​

 

[MJB12741]

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid Washington Free Beacon

Not going to happen.

yeah we'll see congress is not so "Palestinian" friendly as Obama

Not at all. Most of that money is for Israel's benefit.

AID that goes to the Palestinians is to benefit Israel ??? Can you prove that ?

Sure. Much ot that money is for the PA's security forces.

Criticism of the PA’s security coordination with Israel is not new. But recent events demonstrate the egregiousness of the double standard: warm ties with Israeli security set against an iron hand with its people. As a result, a range of voices—men and women, political dissidents and reformers, former prisoners and militants, activists and journalists—have put forward unprecedented criticisms and condemnations of the PA and its security forces. Indeed, for a large segment of the Palestinians, the PA security sector is now viewed as an extension of the occupation. In reaction to PA actions, critics now regularly level charges of treason and betrayal.

The Beginning of the End of Palestinian Security Coordination with Israel ​

 

[MJB12741]

Not going to happen.

yeah we'll see congress is not so "Palestinian" friendly as Obama

Not at all. Most of that money is for Israel's benefit.

AID that goes to the Palestinians is to benefit Israel ??? Can you prove that ?

Sure. Much ot that money is for the PA's security forces.

Criticism of the PA’s security coordination with Israel is not new. But recent events demonstrate the egregiousness of the double standard: warm ties with Israeli security set against an iron hand with its people. As a result, a range of voices—men and women, political dissidents and reformers, former prisoners and militants, activists and journalists—have put forward unprecedented criticisms and condemnations of the PA and its security forces. Indeed, for a large segment of the Palestinians, the PA security sector is now viewed as an extension of the occupation. In reaction to PA actions, critics now regularly level charges of treason and betrayal.

The Beginning of the End of Palestinian Security Coordination with Israel ​

 

[MJB12741]

Aha! So financial aid to the PA goes to Isfrael. Amazing what we can learn here. This is a prime example of Palestinian mentality.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The $400M given annually in aid to the Palestinians is not all that much.

Congressional Research Service RS-22967 U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians: Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s (the Oslo Accords), the U.S. government has committed approximately $5 billion in bilateral assistance to the Palestinians, who are among the world’s largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid. Successive Administrations have requested aid for the Palestinians in apparent support of at least three major U.S. policy priorities of interest to Congress:

• Preventing terrorism against Israel from Hamas and other militant organizations.
• Fostering stability, prosperity, and self-governance in the West Bank that inclines Palestinians toward peaceful coexistence with Israel and a “two-state solution.”
• Meeting humanitarian needs.​

Economic Support Fund (ESF) assistance to the West Bank and Gaza Strip
ESF-Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO)
International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement (INCLE)
​

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid Washington Free Beacon

Not going to happen.

yeah we'll see congress is not so "Palestinian" friendly as Obama

Not at all. Most of that money is for Israel's benefit.

AID that goes to the Palestinians is to benefit Israel ??? Can you prove that ?

Sure. Much ot that money is for the PA's security forces.

Criticism of the PA’s security coordination with Israel is not new. But recent events demonstrate the egregiousness of the double standard: warm ties with Israeli security set against an iron hand with its people. As a result, a range of voices—men and women, political dissidents and reformers, former prisoners and militants, activists and journalists—have put forward unprecedented criticisms and condemnations of the PA and its security forces. Indeed, for a large segment of the Palestinians, the PA security sector is now viewed as an extension of the occupation. In reaction to PA actions, critics now regularly level charges of treason and betrayal.

The Beginning of the End of Palestinian Security Coordination with Israel ​

(COMMENT)

I get the impression that the Palestinian Authority (PA) doesn't actually need the aid we send them --- are not concerned with the potential for loss --- and that it would be better spent on the Israelis.

This is another piece of foreign policy that I think we should avoid. The US should not give terrorist supporting activities like the PA funding of any sort in the first place, and especially when they prefer not to take it.

“Deterring one Israeli soldier from murdering one Palestinian child is worth every penny and every suffering and not having salaries,” says Husam Zomlot, an economist and senior foreign policy adviser for the dominant Fatah party. “Our major issue here is not that of salaries, our major issue is that of the status quo and the [Israeli] occupation.”

​

I think given the attitude of the Palestinian Leadership and the direction they are taking, the US should adopt an entirely different approach, breaking with providing aid and maintaining only the minimal contact necessary for consular services.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Rand Paul Moves to Cut U.S. Aid to the Palestinians Over ICC Bid Washington Free Beacon

Not going to happen.

yeah we'll see congress is not so "Palestinian" friendly as Obama

Not at all. Most of that money is for Israel's benefit.

AID that goes to the Palestinians is to benefit Israel ??? Can you prove that ?

Sure. Much ot that money is for the PA's security forces.

Criticism of the PA’s security coordination with Israel is not new. But recent events demonstrate the egregiousness of the double standard: warm ties with Israeli security set against an iron hand with its people. As a result, a range of voices—men and women, political dissidents and reformers, former prisoners and militants, activists and journalists—have put forward unprecedented criticisms and condemnations of the PA and its security forces. Indeed, for a large segment of the Palestinians, the PA security sector is now viewed as an extension of the occupation. In reaction to PA actions, critics now regularly level charges of treason and betrayal.

The Beginning of the End of Palestinian Security Coordination with Israel ​

Where does it say anything about the money being for Israel's benefit ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Good question, Rocco.

When to they count the State of Palestine as being an actual "State."​

When does the clock start ticking on Palestine? The UN cannot create states. It can only recognize states that already exist. At what time did that "already exist" start? You mentioned 1988 and 2012.

What about Palestine's 1948 declaration of independence from Britain's mandate?

What about Palestine's statehood according to post war treaties taking affect in 1924?

The UN recognized the existence of Palestine in resolution 181 in 1947, (The UN map of Palestine showed its international borders.) in the 1949 armistice agreements, and in subsequent resolutions without rendering an opinion on its political status.

 

[Penelope]

Does his bill address our aid to Israel?

Don't know, but it shouldn't.

We need to quit aid to Israel and I believe Pal have every right to go to the ICC without punitive repercussions. Rand Paul, kissing butt, to help him get in good with Israel. Ick.
Rand Paul, NO BALLS.

 

[toastman]

Good question, Rocco.

When to they count the State of Palestine as being an actual "State."​

When does the clock start ticking on Palestine? The UN cannot create states. It can only recognize states that already exist. At what time did that "already exist" start? You mentioned 1988 and 2012.

What about Palestine's 1948 declaration of independence from Britain's mandate?

What about Palestine's statehood according to post war treaties taking affect in 1924?

The UN recognized the existence of Palestine in resolution 181 in 1947, (The UN map of Palestine showed its international borders.) in the 1949 armistice agreements, and in subsequent resolutions without rendering an opinion on its political status.

So many lies in one post. Lets start with the borders.

You said Palestine's borders were defined in the Treaty of Lausanne. I asked you for a link today and I still didn't get one. So, do you have a link ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Good question, Rocco.

When to they count the State of Palestine as being an actual "State."​

When does the clock start ticking on Palestine? The UN cannot create states. It can only recognize states that already exist. At what time did that "already exist" start? You mentioned 1988 and 2012.

What about Palestine's 1948 declaration of independence from Britain's mandate?

What about Palestine's statehood according to post war treaties taking affect in 1924?

The UN recognized the existence of Palestine in resolution 181 in 1947, (The UN map of Palestine showed its international borders.) in the 1949 armistice agreements, and in subsequent resolutions without rendering an opinion on its political status.

So many lies in one post. Lets start with the borders.

You said Palestine's borders were defined in the Treaty of Lausanne. I asked you for a link today and I still didn't get one. So, do you have a link ?

No I didn't.

 

[toastman]

Good question, Rocco.

When to they count the State of Palestine as being an actual "State."​

When does the clock start ticking on Palestine? The UN cannot create states. It can only recognize states that already exist. At what time did that "already exist" start? You mentioned 1988 and 2012.

What about Palestine's 1948 declaration of independence from Britain's mandate?

What about Palestine's statehood according to post war treaties taking affect in 1924?

The UN recognized the existence of Palestine in resolution 181 in 1947, (The UN map of Palestine showed its international borders.) in the 1949 armistice agreements, and in subsequent resolutions without rendering an opinion on its political status.

So many lies in one post. Lets start with the borders.

You said Palestine's borders were defined in the Treaty of Lausanne. I asked you for a link today and I still didn't get one. So, do you have a link ?

No I didn't.

You're right, you said this:

The international borders of Palestine were defined. The Palestinians became a nation of People. Palestinians became citizens of Palestine.

The Treaty of Lausanne allowed all of that to happen

Another lie.

YOu did however say that Palestine's borders were defined by post war treaties. I have many times asked you for evidence of this, yet you never provide any.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Good question, Rocco.

When to they count the State of Palestine as being an actual "State."​

When does the clock start ticking on Palestine? The UN cannot create states. It can only recognize states that already exist. At what time did that "already exist" start? You mentioned 1988 and 2012.

What about Palestine's 1948 declaration of independence from Britain's mandate?

What about Palestine's statehood according to post war treaties taking affect in 1924?

The UN recognized the existence of Palestine in resolution 181 in 1947, (The UN map of Palestine showed its international borders.) in the 1949 armistice agreements, and in subsequent resolutions without rendering an opinion on its political status.

So many lies in one post. Lets start with the borders.

You said Palestine's borders were defined in the Treaty of Lausanne. I asked you for a link today and I still didn't get one. So, do you have a link ?

No I didn't.

You're right, you said this:

The international borders of Palestine were defined. The Palestinians became a nation of People. Palestinians became citizens of Palestine.

The Treaty of Lausanne allowed all of that to happen

Another lie.

YOu did however say that Palestine's borders were defined by post war treaties. I have many times asked you for evidence of this, yet you never provide any.

Why is it that if it is not Israeli propaganda, you don't know anything about it?

 

[theliq]

Punish people for wanting justice? How does that make sense?

Because America/ns are Lap Dogs to Israel......you know, Israel that country that have snubbed UN resolutions hundreds of times when it doesn't suit them